So far we have these stories:

• Am I Human? - Claire's existential crisis and her eventually becoming a villain
  And to be honest, thats all i care about.
  
  Claire is
  
  Also, i was happy they put that bit with her moms power in. Because my brother who just watched season 1 and 2 on dvd a month ago was all "wtf? who is she? how is she going to protect them?" and then she did the fire and it clicked.
  
  What i wanna know is if the parents have powers, then does the power they have morph into a power the kid has? Obv not, because Claires mom can create fire and her dad can fly, she cant do either. All she can do is heal. I want to know why, if its genetic as it seems they are saying, the kids power had nothing to do with the parents?

What i wanna know is if the parents have powers, then does the power they have morph into a power the kid has? Obv not, because Claires mom can create fire and her dad can fly, she cant do either. All she can do is heal. I want to know why, if its genetic as it seems they are saying, the kids power had nothing to do with the parents?

I have no idea. And I hate it because, again, it all seems so random.

BTW, that man who found Parkman is — Usutu. He is from Botswana and has the ability of precognition.

I have no idea. And I hate it because, again, it all seems so random.

BTW, that man who found Parkman is — Usutu. He is from Botswana and has the ability of precognition.

Yeah, and how did Micah's cousin on his fathers side have powers? Did DL's mom have powers? or... idk.

and yeah, i dont care about that storyline at all and it will be on FF

Yeah, and how did Micah's cousin on his fathers side have powers? Did DL's mom have powers? or... idk.

I think that they are somehow connected, remember Chandra's threads connecting various places on that map of the world? Some ingredient, something is "transmitting" those abilities. But what it is, I do not know.

I liked DL Hawkins and, as I said before, Simone. But I don't think those two are coming back.

Edited September 26, 200817 yr by Sylph

I think that they are somehow connected, remember Chandra's threads connecting various places on that map of the world? Some ingredient, something is "transmitting" those abilities. But what it is, I do not know.

I liked DL Hawkins and, as I said before, Simone. But I don't think those two are coming back.

Yeah, I loved Simon. As for DL.. well i liked him, i guess. I didnt hate him. I just didnt care about him, but then again the only person to ever be on heroes that i HATE is Mya. I cant stand her. At all.

Okay,m well im sure there have been a few others but i get over it. not her.

Yeah, I loved Simon. As for DL.. well i liked him, i guess. I didnt hate him. I just didnt care about him, but then again the only person to ever be on heroes that i HATE is Mya. I cant stand her. At all.

Okay,m well im sure there have been a few others but i get over it. not her.

OMG, Dania Ramirez's character is absolutely obnoxious! I hate it when they introduce some good characters and use them for, like, five episodes. I liked Simone because, among other things, she was human. I liked Bob, but they killed him. A wrong decision in my opinion.

Kristen Bell is a special guest star and I like Elle, but at any given moment they can kill her. And that has me worried...

Kristen Bell is a special guest star and I like Elle, but at any given moment they can kill her. And that has me worried...

Honestly, i dont. because KBell is BFF's with Hayden, ZQ, and the crew loves her. I think she is around, just not on contract. Ya know?

I would hate to lsoe her tho, because she is amazing. Elle is amazing. KBell is amazing, but when is she not? I also lvoe that Weevil from VMars is one of the baddies. Weevil+Veronica!

Its Love :wub:

What the critics are saying:

But in tonight's premiere of the third season of NBC's "Heroes," the heroes spend most of their time warring with each other or feeling sorry for themselves.

Never once does it occur to any of them to apply their powers - which none of these mopes seem to realize they're fortunate to possess - to anything constructive.

Sure, this show is obsessed with saving the world (this season's new catchphrase seems to be, "Save ourselves, save the world," uttered tonight by Mohinder Suresh). But on their way to saving the world, it wouldn't kill these heroes to occasionally stop and save some ordinary person from some common, everyday peril.

Maybe these "heroes" could save an old lady from being run over by a bus, or rescue a kitten from a tree, or finish the Second Avenue subway.

Instead, this show, which was once so thrilling and fun, has become full of itself, its characters spouting crazy nonsense.

Here's one I wish someone would translate for me: "There's a divinity that shapes our ends - rough hew them how we will," spouts the enigmatic industrialist Linderman played by Malcolm McDowell, who should win an Emmy for keeping a straight face while reciting these lines.

Divinity's a big subject for this third season of "Heroes," with Nathan Petrelli (Adrian Pasdar) cheating death and then styling himself as God's messenger.

What's the problem with the heroes this season? Apparently, they're not sufficiently challenged.

The first hour of "Heroes" season three is more exciting than most of the 11 hours of "Heroes" season two combined. Considering that "Heroes" had one of the worst sophmore slumps of all time, though, that's not a high compliment. "Heroes" may be better this year than it was last year, but it's still a very dumb show that just wants you to think it's smart.

It acts like something out of Joseph Campbell when it's really a Spark Notes take on '80s comic book stories. It asks its characters to deliver ominous, seemingly deep statements about the nature of existence and morality, then has them make decisions a kindergartener would consider foolish.

It's entirely possible to offer an intelligent take on superheroes and villains, whether it's Christian Bale interrogating Heath Ledger in "The Dark Knight" or Alan Moore's "Watchmen," the seminal graphic novel that "Heroes" borrowed from liberally in each of its first two seasons. And it's also possible to simplify the material in search of cheaper but still effective thrills.

But "Heroes" is too busy trying to convince you how important it is to be as entertaining as it could be. The basic idea remains intoxicating, and occasionally the actors or a random moment will live up to that promise, but not nearly often enough.

The first half of the two-hour season premiere is titled "The Second Coming," and climaxes with geneticist Mohinder Suresh (Sendhil Ramamurthy) reciting the famous William Butler Yeats poem of the same name. Yeats' words still have resonance, but they're being uttered by a complete boob who's in an ongoing contest with the series' main character, Peter Petrelli (Milo Ventimiglia) for who can be the most gullible fool in all of primetime. (Hand two choices to either guy, and you can be guaranteed they'll make the wrong one.)

"Heroes" creator Tim Kring tries to write off the unpopular second season by having power-stealing bad guy Sylar (Zachary Quinto) refer to events from it as being "all behind me now, like a long night after a bad taco." And, to be fair, there are some notable improvements in the early going.

Time-stopping Hiro (Masi Oka) is immediately tied into the main story, instead of being stranded in the past for a half-dozen episodes. (Though he has his own attack of Suresh/Petrelli-itis and does a colossally stupid thing solely because the plot demands it.) And Adrian Pasdar, one of the few actors on the show who can create the illusion of depth for the paper-thin character he's been asked to play, actually has something to do.

I would have added a spoiler alert there, seeing as Pasdar's character was assassinated at the end of last season, but he's been prominent in all of NBC's promotion. Ditto Ali Larter, who also appeared to perish in the season two finale and is still walking around here. As in comic books, dead very rarely means dead on "Heroes."

For every moment that suggests the appropriate lessons were learned from season two, there are several making it clear that there's going to be more of the same, like an endless scene where Sylar fiddles with a victim's brain while droning on with questions like, "Why is there evil? How many angels can dance on the head of a pin? How do we make love stay?"

If Kring and company were willing to accept that they just don't have the ability - be it from a lack of imagination, or budget, or the right cast, or whatever reason - to make the profound epic they want to, and instead settled for making a less ambitious but still entertaining genre piece, "Heroes" might live up to all the qualities we like to project on it. Instead, the series keeps outsmarting itself.

Of all the supernatural shows that have premiered in recent years, NBC's "Heroes" always had special promise: an epic feel, a comic-book knack for pacing, and a handful of standout characters, from the corrupt politician who could fly to the lovable nerd who could travel through time.

But while the show won a devoted following, it also quickly built a reputation for disappointment. "Heroes" routinely builds up to climaxes that fizzle, adds and drops characters with lightning speed, rewrites its own rules with abandon. NBC sent the first hour of tonight's two-hour season premiere to critics, and it's sprinkled with some of the original fun: inventive special effects, a twist or two, some nifty gore. That doesn't stop it from being the same, familiar mess.

The theme of this season is "Villains," which seems to refer to the notion of good people wrestling with bad motives. Of course, "Heroes" had a vessel for that sort of conflict: Jack Coleman's HRG, easily the show's most intriguing character. But he barely appears in tonight's episode, nor do many of the other regulars; we only get glimpses of bipolar Niki and mind-reading Matt.

Instead, "Heroes" follows its pattern of adding on, as we're introduced to Daphne, yet another young, hot heroine with yet another power. The show also retreads old ground, as Hiro zaps himself to yet another time period, where he sees yet another apocalypse he'll eventually have to avert. Here's where the art-design budget has limits, too; the dark cloud gathering looks exactly like the one that failed to destroy New York in season one.

We also spend some quality time with Sylar, the show's original ubervillain, who stalks self-healing Claire in a scene lifted straight from the horror-film playbook. (She spends most of the scene holding a butcher knife.) We get a more-than-necessary share of whiny Maya, last season's worst-conceived addition, whose eyes get gooey, black, and deadly whenever she gets mad. And we hang out with Mohinder, who has a new epiphany about how the superpowers came to be. Alas, it has little to do with the various theories posited so far: the parts of the brain we don't use, the next stage of human evolution. Perhaps there were others, too, but I've forgotten them all.

These aren't problems limited to "Heroes"; nearly every network sci-fi serial drama has struggled with the notion that the writers are making up the rules as they go. And when we know they can zap their way out of any new conflict by inventing some convenient superpower, all sense of dramatic tension disappears.

Fox's much-hyped new series "Fringe" has a similar problem: So far, every new plot has been resolved by a mad scientist who knows just the right high-tech gadget for the job. And while I'm willing to give up on that show fairly quickly, I still feel like I'm rooting for "Heroes" to succeed. At its best, "Heroes" has been unpretentious, pulpy fun. I still marvel at one masterfully cut sequence from last season, when a dream morphed into a real-life fight scene.

But when it fails, this show is worse than a muddle; it's a muddle that has already run out of fresh ideas. Tonight, the writers don't even bother crafting their standard self-serious narration for Mohinder. They just have him quote William Butler Yeats at length. What's coming next week? Shakespeare or Stephen King?

Which brings us to some of the less reassuring aspects. Even just a half hour in, it's difficult not to wish everyone would just lighten the heck up. The graphic novel noir feel is becoming increasingly oppressive, and everyone is just so grim. Hiro provides some comic relief, but his trademark insistence on being a hero is getting a little old and, frankly, self-aggrandizing.

Meanwhile, the dialogue seems to be retreating into a comic-book familiarity that borders on camp. Whatever happened to the snappiness of "Save the cheerleader, save the world"?

One hopes that Kring and his writers also spent some time in front of the big screen this summer. Because there they would learn that the real secret of a good hero movie is not the plot twists or cool graphics but the resonance of the characters and, above all, the witty banter.

Without a generous scattering of smart riposte, even matters of life and death that involve hot lava and exposed brains can fall flat.

Edited September 26, 200817 yr by Sylph

The episode was awesome. Nathan, Tracy, Claire, Peter, Elle, Sylar all of these storylines were amazing. There were a tone of different scenes that were just jaw droppingly awesome. Elle going all pikachu on Sylar, Claire being power raped by Sylar, Peter consoling Claire in an un-uncle like way and psycho Claire trying to kill Peter in the alternate timeline, Peter shooting Nathan, Nathan coming back to congress after spiritual renewal, Sylar's a Peterilli, Mama Petrelli is evil!, so much good stuff.

Jessalyn is back!

Ohh....I forgot mention Elle going all Pikachu on Sylar!! I loved that scene. I was like, "Noooo," when Sylar was going to kill her.

And yes, J. J. Philbin needs to be fired.

What's your beef with her again?

Ohh....I forgot mention Elle going all Pikachu on Sylar!! I loved that scene. I was like, "Noooo," when Sylar was going to kill her.

What's your beef with her again?

Of all the things that were said here, you focused on Pikachu and J. J. Philbin! Come on, Toups! You can do better!

So, you're not going to answer my question about JJP?

So, you're not going to answer my question about JJP?

She is a show-killer with a defined reputation who soaked the previous season in all those awful "romantic" moments. Yes, Kring approved that and is guilty as much as she is. She is a total misfit for this show and should go on to write some B-prod cr*p.

This reminds me of another show-killer: Rena Sofer. What happened to her character? She plays wives a lot these days.

Remember, she wrote (after he daddy got her into the business) for American Coupling, which was terrible beyond words, and The OC in its worst seasons. How she got a job on Heroes and a co-executive producer one is totally beyond me.

Edited September 26, 200817 yr by Sylph

She is a show-killer with a defined reputation who soaked the previous season in all those awful "romantic" moments. Yes, Kring approved that and is guilty as much as she is. She is a total misfit for this show and should go on to write some B-prod cr*p.

She wrote ONE episode last season. Big deal.

Remember, she wrote (after he daddy got her into the business) for American Coupling, which was terrible beyond words, and The OC in its worst seasons. How she got a job on Heroes and a co-executive producer one is totally beyond me.

She was only a story editor on American Coupling and she wasn't even a "big" producer on The OC. You're acting like she's responsible for the downfall of these shows.

BTW, J.J's not even with Heroes anymore.

She wrote ONE episode last season. Big deal.

She was only a story editor on American Coupling and she wasn't even a "big" producer on The OC. You're acting like she's responsible for the downfall of these shows.

I have different information. She sucks.

BTW, J.J's not even with Heroes anymore.

Well, you could have said it before. When did this happen? I'm glad she's gone. Awful, awful writer.