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Yes! Now I love SH's Tom, but ugh! Revisiting that arc made me hate him a lot the past 24 hrs. When Teddy (aka Ryder) got stuck in the well saving Adam, and Tom was being a d-ck to Nikki p*ssed me off. I wanted Hal to shove Tom into the well at times too. I wanted Nikki to pop Margo during their confrontation at the mall too.

Just rewatched the arc where they revealed Adam's paternity, and I didn't realize how much of an a** Tom and Margo were during the original run. God they were insufferable. Especially, Tom. I wanted Hal and Nikki to sock him at times...

Well that's b/c I feel they didn't really even try with Ted or Laken. Both seem so flat from what I've seen.

Do you think they scrapped it b/c Laken and Ted already had that story and they just gave all of that to them? I agree that SB had tons of talented actors that they cast aside b/c they weren't Gina, Cruz, Julia, or the Capwells.

Very true even though I thought Josh wanting to be a minister was absurd. I think this was a problem on all the major soaps. I think it just wasn't successful with ATWT and GL b/c their fans luckily had sense and refused to have the Bauers and Hughes be pushed to the background. Y&R got rid of the Brooks and Fosters for the Abbotts and Newmans. OLTL exchanged the Lords and Woleks for the Buchanans. While the Hortons were still presents and had story, the Bradys consumed all the airtime on DOOL. SFT was pushing the McClearys to the forefront instead of the Jo, Stu, and their families. RH went through a period where the Kirklands ate up story instead of the Ryans. I've always wondered why soaps assume we'll gravitate towards many of these new families while thinking we'll accept the core families being cast aside. While they were many successes of new families coming on the scene and consuming a lot of story and air time, I do think at times it has been to the detriment of many shows down the line.

I've said this before in here, but it seems once the Dobsons felt that the Capwells and their significant others were hits, everyone else were disposable. A show about only the Capwells would've been cute for a 30 min soap but an hour long soap, nope. Watching these old episodes fill like overkill at times with the amount of time the Capwells suck up. Yes, they were the central family, but even they can unnerve me at times. Sucks that the Dobsons scrapped the low-class Andrades and Perkins and the class system that the show teased the first few years. While the Lockridges were supposed to be the Capwell's formidable rivals, even they fell flat it seems. Is it just me or did they seem to be teasing Eden/Warren until Eden/Cruz popped? And they never committed to the young teen stories. Ted was like the bastard Capwell as he never got good stories like Eden, Kelly, or Mason. I go back and watch that hotel arc with the ghosts and is still boggled as to what that story is about. Did the show get a grasp on Warren and Ted after they were recast and returned in the last years of the show?

Seeing as ATWT was on an upswing in the early 00s, that should've encouraged them to fight a bit more. I do agree with the point that you made that ATWT that the show seemed to be ashamed of their past, but I think that was more of a Goutman thing. All the time, I wish CBS/P&G would've stepped in and booted his behind after 2005. They should've did a massive clean up job and cleaned house again after Sheffer left. But you really think GL had scraps of his identity towards the end b/c I didn't. While I loved the show till it's bitter end, I felt it departed from its roots too. The Bauers not being front and center played a pivotal role in that. I always felt they wanted to move the show away from the Bauers much like ATWT wanted to do so with the Hughes. It was like both shows were embarrassed of the 2 families that fans loved and adored for 50+ years. I always felt Howarth was playing Todd-lite instead of Paul. Only time I enjoyed his Paul was when he was with Rosanna. Other than that, I didn't care for the character. Especially, during the PEG era. Pseudo-Paul and pseudo-Meg were the worst.

Well we must remember that Paul was practically a different character when Howarth took over the role. Scott Holroyd was the closest we'd get to Andy Kavovit's Paul. But I too find it odd Paul wouldn't even drop a line about Andy occasionally when their friendship was pivotal to both characters. I skimmed over some 95/96 episodes tonight and while I enjoyed them their original run, knowing what I know now, this show was a mess. The Kasnoff and Snyder clans ate the show up. The Hughes and Lisa got scraps most of the time. You could really tell come about '95 that P&G didn't give a sh-t about any of their last shows. AW, GL, and ATWT were starting to flounder and stray from their themes about that time and it showed. Wow. I didn't know that Greg Watkins was in a serious boating accident before they let him go. I always found it odd how they cast him aside and later did the same with Connor.

I don't think he does. If I am not mistaken, I think I read somewhere he was getting into real estate at that time. He was desperately missed the show's last year. Wasn't he missing from Bob/Kim's anniversary episode too?

@DRW50 I forgot Andy and Evan were booted in '95. Was that to make room for the influx of Kasnoffs popping up on the canvas at that time?

Isn't that what a good marriage is--being best friends? Sorry but from watching old episodes on YouTube of Shannon/Duncan along with Jess/Duncan, I have to side with Jess/Duncan. Their relationship seemed equal. They were equal partners in that marriage. With Shannon/Duncan, I always felt Shannon was a damsel and didn't have an identity outside of him. I think Jess added more layers to Duncan. By that you mean we would've gotten a different ending with Jess/Duncan or Duncan/Shannon?

Eduardo should've never existed was the point I was making. Nicholas Coster should've been brought back as John Eldridge. They should've never killed John off previous years to introduce Scott. He should've just lived and then moved to Oakdale with Scott and gradually won back Lisa. While I didn't get to see Shannon before her original run, as it was a bit before my time, I hated her when I started watching. It p*ssed me off to see the Black woman get shafted, honestly. I hated how Jessica had to accept this gracefully as Shannon destroyed her family unit. At times, I wanted Jessica to clock Duncan and Shannon upside the head. I didn't care for Duncan's short return under Sheffer either b/c I still wanted Jessica to chew his a** out even though she had moved on. Duncan left his wife and child for Shannon and still didn't end up with Shannon.

While ATWT was on a downturn about this time, I am glad that episodes from '94 is popping up. I started watching around this time as a young child and I didn't find the show to be bad. Seeing as Coster was John Eldridge on Our Private World and Scott popped up a few years back, it would've made so much sense had they not killed John and just brought Coster back in that role. I never cared for Eduardo and felt it was a waste of Coster's talent. Does anyone know if Coster opted to leave the show or if it was a writer's choice? If it was a writer's choice, I always felt that was stupid as Coster was a solid actor, and Lisa desperately needed a companion in the later years of her life. Duke is a character that this show should've brought back. He had that dry sense of humor that John possessed, and we could never have too many doctors on this show. Plus, no one could get under Lucinda's skin like Duke did. Would've been interesting to see how she took to him had he returned in the last decade or so. Poor Jessica. Shannon's return always p*ssed me off as Jessica got shafted for her. On so many levels, I found that to be jacked up.

I've been believing this. Moving Tardy to Friday's cemented it for me. That's the night to send shows where they go to die. I think they moved M2M there to give them a much needed boost but to no avail. They still can't seem to get Tardy to hit that 1 million mark. It makes total sense why she's starting crap with Nene and Kenya. Kim needs to p*ss off the two most polarizing stars to reclaim a spot back on the show. I hope this backfires and Tardy gets cancelled along with her not getting a peach for s11. I don't want Kim on RHOA b/c she wants to do half the work in exchange for complete pay.

Looks like it was a hoax to generate press... http://people.com/tv/kim-zolciak-biermann-pregnancy-joke/

Wigz-n-Newports is knocked up again...

^ Team Gina all day, every day. I've never cared for Jackie. They are gonna end up making me root for Lydia this year. In other housewives news, Kelly tried jumping into the car with David Foster (YoLyme's ex). Kelly is a hot damn mess. This is gonna be her story next season. I wouldn't be surprised if her heavy drinking comes to the forefront next year. You'll hear Lea Black's cackle, which I know from anywhere, in the background too. Apparently, Kelly was hanging with Lea and Heather MacDonald. Andy, put this poor woman back on a Bravo show; she's desperate for it. Just let her be part of the alleged upcoming FL housewives show. Not surprised Heather MacDonald's thirsty ass was there too. That bitch is eager to weasel her way onto RHOC and has for years. She stays latched onto TamRat and ShanLoon like a leech. No wonder Chelsea [Handler] got rid of her ass. That b*tch is thirsty for the camera.

Finally! I've been thinking this for days and didn't wanna say it and for people to assume I was crude and disingenuous when I am not. I believe her story early on but then stuff just started occurring and my eyebrows began to furrow in suspicion each time. I started suspecting her when Roger Stone spouted off he knew something 24hrs before it came out. I further started to suspect her after her interview on The View. Instead of discussing what she was upset about, she used the entire segment to discuss minuscule stuff. She promoted her radio station. She it seemed she was more upset about him (Franken) drawing devil horns on a pic of her instead of the actual attack itself. Then all those visual receipts about her grabbing on other men during the concert started coming out. She let the music artist smack her butt. She groped the late Robin Williams in a pic. To quote Phaedra Parks (of RHOA), "Something in the buttermilk is not clean." This further raises my suspicions even more. I hate to discount a woman's account of being attack, but I'm believing that she's a plant. This is why I am glad Franken himself asked for an investigation. If he's guilty, he'll resign. Especially, with this latest allegation. If he's truthful then she was mostly likely hired by the GOP to do a hit job on Franken. I suspect that's because a day or 2 before this came out, Franken called Sessions a liar on the Senate floor, and has been the biggest advocate for the Russia investigation. I don't think the other woman has came out publicly yet.