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Jessie didn't get a colored photo? They're great. Love the way they're just standing there looking glum . That was before those lavish ABC photo shoots where they would be all dramatic and glamorous.

I don't know about Morgan Fairchild as Alice. Maybe she was too young at that time? Was her Jennifer always bitchy from the outset? From SFT on, Morgan seemed to play that character only. But I like the idea of Alice taking a turn to the dark side. If Rachel could reform, the surely Alice could devolve. It would have been an interesting twist. Alice should have been angry that Rachel got a happy ending but she lost Steve. Some moves to discredit Rachel and maybe an unholy alliance with Iris.

It says 1975 so...

Enjoying all your takes on the show. It is interesting to look at this and the decisions that were made in rebooting. The time given over to discussing Samantha and what went wrong and how Carrie felt was an interesting choice as it drew attention to the fact she wasn't there rather than just a quick 'Samantha is living it up in London' Introducing all the new characters and have them all being 'diverse' seemed a little desperate in trying to be relevant. Would Carrie really want to do a podcast with those two and would they really be interested in having her on? And then Carrie was blasted by Che (?) and took it to heart instead of just giving it the eyeroll it deserved. Miranda's clutzy faux pas with the professor and the equally painful follow up was cringey. Miranda was a high powered lawyer FFS and knows how to handle herself. Everything had to be explained eg Big and Carrie and the music. 'We started doing this during lockdown etc ' Overall,I thought the tone was wrong. These successful wealthy women wouldn't really be so concerned with being 'out of touch'. Either they wouldn't give a damn, or have managed to take stuff on board over the years.

Ken just wanted to get the golf course...he was halfway out the door and agreed just to get Tom off his back.

Liz and Allen worked together on The Doctors not ATWT.

I agree. One of the problems was the constant turnover of writers/producers which meant any long term plans were scuppered by the next team ad changes didn't always mean improvements.

Vic Perrin Aunt Mary Dr Paul Whispering Streets

Rosemary Prinz as Penny on ATWT in 85. After saying she'd only return if there was gun to her mother's head or somesuch and after being gone for almost 20 years, when there had been plenty of times Penny could/should have come back.

Boy did Peter Taylor get some wear out of that black turtleneck. These days he could be a brand ambassador.

Thelma Ritter Aunt Jenny 2 week role May 1948

Fran Carlon The Story of Mary Marlin Mrs West 1937 Wife Vs Secretary 1937 Adventures of Dari Dan Sandra Laird Portia Faces Life Portia Manning I day (May 21 1948) replacement for Anne Seymour, who was a temp replacement for Lucille Wall.

First episode was a bit cringy for me. Like every reference was how old and out of touch they were. It was like time had stood still for them. The Samantha jibes were just a thinly veiled reference to Kim Cattrall. OK...

Thanks for those details. Wonder why Kate is not being used? She's now one of the longest serving cast members. After how Doug Davidson was treated, is Kate heading the same way? Hope not.

Douglas Parkhurst Lorenzo Jones Road of Life 'lawyer' 1946 Whispering Streets 1955 Arthur Peterson Romance of Helen Trent Dr Franklin 1944 Rosemary Rice Light of the World 1947 Second Mrs Burton 1949 My True Story Claire Hilltop House Mildred Barnes 1951 Five Star Matinee 'Sentence of Death' 1/29/57

I was happy to see Esther again, but yes the convo about Chance was odd. Esther making the crack about avoiding Jill played against their relationship. Wasn't Esther supportive and Jill appreciative during her heart attack? Jill has always been frosty to Esther but there is an underlying connection. Esther should be living at the Chancellor Estate . Is that the first time she's been on in 2021?

Having him marry Sharon was a pointless exercise. Did nothing for either of them.

Had Jabot remained front and center instead of the inane Chance.com, Jack would have more to do outside of any romantic involvement. Billy, Lily, Mariah and Abby are just some of the possibilities to work there with Jack overseeing corporate battles etc Of course, delving into the Keemo void is an obvious avenue. Maybe sometime along the way, Jack should have married a woman with a couple of kids as a way of bringing new blood into the Abbotts.

Well after more than 40 years, it's not surprising only a few cast members remain.

One way to free up some cash and shake up the story would be to drop Phyllis. She's quite expendable at this point. she has no relatives on the canvas and the relationships with Nick and Jack have been played over and over. There is zilch chemistry with Billy and they tend to ignore that. Have Jack decide he doesn't want to tangle with Phyllis again and then she can get a message Daniel is in some kind of trouble and BAM goodbye Phyllis. On the subject of useless cast members, where can they go with Rey? No workplace, no family and a boring marriage to Sharon...

Those are great! Thanks for sharing. i wonder who the actress was that played the nurse? Possibly one of the first Black actors on a TV soap.

I like these story possibilities. I wonder if Bill considered all these angles or just went with his gut feelings? Greg being a possible father was a good angle and would have kept the Fosters around longer. Then Greg , having split from Nikki could have hung on as the town lawyer and slipped into the John Silva role as confidant to Jill -his sister and 3rd wheel for other ladies like Julia and Nina.

We also had Jodie the pregnant teen in 77 or 78? Thinking back to the Williams family, Bill dropped Steve (never to be seen again) and never followed through with Todd. Once Lilibet Stern left,Patty was on borrowed time and it did seem pointless for Paul to have 2 parents hanging around, hence the decision to backburn Carl. My thought was- What if Katherine Kelly Lang had been the recast Patty? First of all she resembled Lillibet more than Andrea and I think she would have had more staying power than Andrea. KKL had already appeared on Y&R as Gretchen (Patty's friend) but that was a while before and not a big barrier for a recast. Patty might have stayed for years and the Williams more prominent. Could you see a younger KKL as Patty?

Those Summer teen stories were a pain. Maybe if they introduced a new long term character then they would hold some interest, but those troubled teens were always gone for good Summer's end. It wasn't until Nina came along that Bill decided to follow through. If Chris had become attached to one of those girls in the Rose DeVille story and wanted to mentor her,that could have supplied ongoing story for Chris and set up a teen story with connections to the core.

He stated in that interview he did alongside Claire Labine that he married them off in Jan 74 and didn't know what to do with them next. Rule #1-never marry off a couple without having the next story ready!