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The thing with Dynasty was that it was an 80s show seen through the prism of 1950s melodrama. The actors were former screen idols of the Hollywood studio system or beautiful young things. Pamela Sue Martin was incandescent and glowing with beauty and pizzazz. Joan Collins was ... Joan Collins. She commanded that show and Alexis was fascinating to watch. The clothes, flowers, champagne... all these added touches blew up the budget. The women wore chinchillas and Van Cleef & Arpels and Nolan Miller and drank real Bollinger. Joan had a different wig for every scene! How to recreate that in today's pared down, dark TV environment? Will the stars have the Star Quality that made the show so watchable? (For me, that is; I am currently rewatching Season 3). I don't think it can work if it looks pedestrian. And without La Collins it will be pedestrian. Her presence alone is like a 1000 megawatt spotlight. Like Chit said, I think this will be a disaster and go the way of the Dallas reboot. And finding a Fallon like PSM will be hella difficult too. She had chemistry with a postbox. And Helmut Berger.

Sunspear, I have always liked that you give a different POV on here, but that just is not true! If Wendy had made that remarks about Nene, I would have been up in arms about it. Wendy was way below the belt. The fact is, no child, whether they be Kenya or Nene, is at fault for their mothers deserting them! Wendy implying that was mean and vicious, because god knows a kid who has been through that often blames themselves for a parent leaving them ("maybe if I had been nicer/prettier/stronger, my mother would not have abandoned me"). Certainly Greg in last year's Reunion said that explicitly about Nene's breakdown. I know you didn't mean that it is Kenya's fault for her mom deserting her, so I am going to assume that you meant the people who "keep deserting her left and right" are the ones in her adult life. I wonder if not having a parent who wanted to be with them has factored into Nene and Kenya's issues with being controlling, or with pushing people away and cutting them off when they felt rejected. This is why I wanted Nene on the show this season, because it is experiences like this that make her and Kenya human, and not just trying to project an image and control the narrative which is basically what all HWs are trying to do these days. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- http://tamaratattles.com/2016/10/02/rhony-sunday-tea/ Speculation that Bethenny may have lost her Sirius radio show, either because she showed her ass at a Sirius event, she fought with Andy, or she's getting backlash after this season of RHoNY. According to the comments, Andy on his radio show was asked if Bethenny was mad at him about Reunion and he said yes she was but that he had to let the other women have a chance to defend themselves at Reunion. Maybe Andy and Bravo are trying to distance themselves. Another comment said that at some event, Bethenny threw a cocktail at somebody and it landed instead on the wife of a Goldman Sachs head honcho. They in turn leaned on Sirius. While I think this may be a stretch to think somebody at GS told Sirius to fire BF, I work in the financial sector and Goldman Sachs are no joke here. The name inspires fear and awe. In NYC it must be the biggest and most powerful private financial institution in the city, and big players in social, cultural and charity events. If Bethenny pissed off a GS wife, well then

Brandon gets it right yet again! I loved it when he dragged the HWs for their homophobic comments last season. I hope he will appear this season as I always felt he and Kenya were genuinely close (plus he's funnier than Don Juan). I hope WW sees a backlash. She's already skating on thin ice, I heard.

What happened? Should I go see on her YT channel? Is it the latest? it's that clip with the comment she made about Kenya I got it now. "Kenya, dear, I love you. But the reason maybe that Sheree's mom was able to be put on the mortgages is cuz Sheree's mom loves her and opens the door when she comes over to her house." I can't believe something like Kenya being neglected by her mom is used as something to attack KENYA with! What kind of playground mean-girl bitchery is that?? This is really making me consider not watching her show anymore. I used to enjoy it on her YT channel but that was so unnecessary. Im gonna need to take a minute bc I am offended by what she said. Ive liked and supported her show even through all the mess but Im utterly sick that she'd use that as shade. Im going to have to drop her show for a while. Please do, Cheap. And I will follow your lead and not give her YT channel any of my views. It was offensive, cruel and spiteful. How is it the fault of any child when a parent decides to not be a part of their life growing up?! Kenya has always carried pain about her mother's attitude towards her. That comment was designed to really wound her.

What happened? Should I go see on her YT channel? Is it the latest? it's that clip with the comment she made about Kenya I got it now. "Kenya, dear, I love you. But the reason maybe that Sheree's mom was able to be put on the mortgages is cuz Sheree's mom loves her and opens the door when she comes over to her house." I can't believe something like Kenya being neglected by her mom is used as something to attack KENYA with! What kind of playground mean-girl bitchery is that?? This is really making me consider not watching her show anymore. I used to enjoy it on her YT channel but that was so unnecessary.

What happened? Should I go see on her YT channel? Is it the latest? ETA: OK I got it. What a b!tch. WW: "Kenya, dear, I love you. But the reason maybe that Sheree's mom was able to be put on the mortgages is cuz Sheree's mom loves her and opens the door when she comes over to her house." What a nasty remark. What a low blow. I think I heard a few boos after WW said that.

She should, actually. All she wanted was some assurance that if the checked-in baggage got lost, the airline would be able to track them down quickly and get them to her -- that's what the baggage stub promises, essentially. It's a tracking number. They could have told her "We will fax/email that stub through to Maui and somebody at Delta will meet you at the gate with it when you land." So many simple solutions to this! Instead, I suspect (and I am only speculating) the flight attendants on the plane were like "Black lady/Real Housewife getting uppity!" and the pilot was like "F*ck that sh*t" and thought that kicking them off would make him look no-nonsense. The flight crew blew the issue up when there was no issue to be had!

Well, they haven't even got to Maui yet and already drama is happening. Not HW-provoked though. Kandi & Todd get kicked off their Honolulu-Maui flight for no clear reason! http://tamaratattles.com/2016/09/29/exclusive-details-kandi-burruss-and-todd-tucker-kicked-off-flight-to-hawaii/ Looks like Delta really over-reacted about absolutely nothing at all and that K&T will be on a later flight? I can't believe they picked Kandi of all people. She is so chill and not a raised-voice person generally. I believe her side of the story when she says she asked politely and made no fuss.

I think that the trailer for this season is looking more lit than those for previous seasons. Yes they are still filming and will probably pad out the season. Having said that, Lake Lanier's Porsha-Cynthia fight occurred very early into last season, and clearly Porsha's Thug Issues are a thing. Bravo will probably want to show that they are sending her to pretend Anger Management classes in order to show that they 'care' about the other women's safety. Having said that, Carlos King clearly adores and protects her. so as long as Porsha stays bringing the drama, she will be clutching a peach in her thotish hands. And even I cannot deny that she can drive a SL or two on this show sometimes. Anybody who follows TT knew long ago that Kandi waves her freak flag proudly, which is why I am surprised she is losing it over Porsha's allegations. Maybe it has to do with her 'brand' and being a mother now. In any case, Porsha should have been called out long ago on her behavior, and Kandi is pretty much the only HW of standing who can do that right now. I am honestly surprised there isn't more Cynthia-Peter divorce stuff in the trailer. RHoNY: I don't know if you guys saw Wendy Williams host Bethenny on her show a week or so ago. It looks like the big tiff between WW and Bethenny/Andy has been settled. Anyway, it was a lot of Bethenny kiss-assing. Yesterday Wendy hosted Luann and was apparently a total bitch to her. In fact, she is being dragged across Twitter for treating Luann like Bethenny does, basically. I am pretty sure Wendy must have done this with the blessing of Bethenny and Bravo. My question is, why is Bravo working so hard to tear Luann down? Luann has created so much good story for them in recent years, especially this season. It sounds like they just want to destroy her. Wendy also said that Dorinda should be kicked off NY for being 'too nice' and boring. Sounds like Bethenny's words. Interesting how Dorinda is really the only HW consistenetly calling B out on her BS atm.

Holy sh*t. HoLy SH*T! What to decipher first?? Kenya & Phaedra best buds? Matt going loco on Kenya's property? Kandi going loco on Porsha? Porsha threatening to spill the tea on Kandi and Todd's threesomes??? When does this start? I dont know if I can wait til November! ETA: Lol oops sorry I can see you guys already started discussing the trailer.

omg I love Lizzie so much, I can't even tell you. She spoke the truth to Tamra S9 without getting toxic and cruel about it. I love how she slapped Meghan down on Twitter a few months ago when Meghan tried to go after Kelly. I would love her back (and Meghan gone). Gretchen... I don't want her fake-ass back. At least not with that succubus Slade. As a FOH there to take down Tamra? Absolutely. I am ready to see Shannon taken down a notch or six and I have a feeling we will see that this season and at Reunion -- by none other than Chrishan Trailer Sue herself! Did you see the exchange between Lizzie/Gretchen v. Shannon a few days ago? Shannon had the nerve to call Gretchen and Lizzie irrelevant and brought up that they aren't on the show anymore. How is Gretchen irrelevant when they still discuss her on this show to this day? Lizzie may not be discussed on the show anymore but the woman is far from irrelevant. She stays working and selling them bikinis. She has a career unlike ShanLoon. I don't really follow Twitter generally so unless Reality Tea or Tamara Tattles brings it to my attention, I usually miss the big Twitter battles between HWs! Shannon really needs to take the cray off social media. IrreleGretchen I might agree with her on, but LIzzie was asked to do another season on OC, I heard. She refused to give Tamra the pleasure of going after her on camera after she leaked Lizzie's cell phone number to her followers during the off-season. Instead she became a FOH and has been seen numerous times in the following seasons. I hope we see her again soon this year. Lizzie does have a legitimate, growing, full-time career -- and prioritises her family -- which is why she didn't take up Bravo's offer to return full-time. Shannon emasculates her whiney-voiced husband on national tour, then proceeds to ruin her daughters' big show along with their thirsty-ass grandma. They totally crapped on their kids' joy.

omg I love Lizzie so much, I can't even tell you. She spoke the truth to Tamra S9 without getting toxic and cruel about it. I love how she slapped Meghan down on Twitter a few months ago when Meghan tried to go after Kelly. I would love her back (and Meghan gone). Gretchen... I don't want her fake-ass back. At least not with that succubus Slade. As a FOH there to take down Tamra? Absolutely. I am ready to see Shannon taken down a notch or six and I have a feeling we will see that this season and at Reunion -- by none other than Chrishan Trailer Sue herself!

RHoNY: Speaking of Bethenny -- and I know RHONY is done for the year -- Seasons 2-3 are being repeated where I am. OMG, what a fascinating watch. I can still view most of the episodes like they are new. It is interesting to watch in light of this latest season of NY where Bethenny is now an uncontrollable ticking bomb. You can see the seeds being sown in S3. Bethenny going through the mill is really eye-opening. Not that she wasn't a media whore or an opportunist, but Jill tried to kill her career on the show and threatened everybody not to film with B. Seeing Bethenny (in the first half of S3 stuck with only Alex and maybe Ramona as support) transition to a situation where everybody got sick of Jill telling them what to do and stopped filming with her, was such sweet justice. Bethenny was put down and excluded by Jill, Kelly and Luann and, while I will support Luann to the death after the way B came after her this season, I can understand where the hatred comes from on Bethenny's part. The sad part is that 6 years later Bethenny is still fighting that same old battle while Luann has evolved from her uppity Countess days. Plucky Bethenny from the old days has now evolved into a Jill prototype -- angry, vengeful, surrounded by Yes people. She targets other HWs the way Jill did. After spending Seasons 2 and 3 telling Jill to rein in her jealousy and her mean-girling of the other women, Bethenny is failing to follow her own advice and is doing exactly that. And it is hurting her image. Somebody mentioned a while back that maybe Jill Zarin should return to the show as she is probably the only one who can check Bethenny. I don't think that is possible tbh. First of all, Bethenny is protected by Andy, Bravo and her EP credit on RHoNY. Andy and Bravo HATE Jill. Secondly, Jill is as toxic and obsessed as Bethenny is. Remember how she turned on poor Alex after Bethenny got successful & pregnant and Jill suddenly got scared about having her as an enemy? Two toxic personalities on the show would not necessarily cancel the other out, it would just create a heavily toxic show (see NY Season 4 or BH Season 4 and 5 with Brandi-Kim). NY S2-3 was able to balance a lot of humor with the toxicity that lightened things. On Scary Island, for example, Kelly goes off on everybody for 'being mean girls' then tries to march off the yacht into some glass sliding doors. The awkwardness as she wrestles with opening those doors and everybody watching like was hilarious. Kelly btw I am convinced had (has?) serious Narcissistic Personality Disorder coupled with a prescription drug problem coupled with having absolutely no sense of humor or irony. Bad combo.

@Nothin'ButAttitude, @Taoboi: I agree with both of you! Look, imo Tamra is the devil incarnate. She has done so much awful stuff on and offscreen. Naked wasted/pimping her son out. Siccing some crazies on Lizzie in the off-season. Bullying Alexis to the point where it was like watching somebody kick a lame puppy over and over. Truly I wish there was a season where she gets her comeuppance. Season 9 could have been that, but at Reunion I have to give props, Tamra held her own, and it was only Vicki who decimated her with her epic "You look like the most miserable person in the world" speech. As much as it pains me to admit, Tamra sometimes speaks the truth -- or at least what the audience is thinking. That's why she is so effective in nailing her targets to the wall. Who else thought Alexis was an annoying hypocritical jealous bimbo and her hubby a total misogynist slug? Not only Tamra, surely. Who else was deeply irritated by Gretchen & Slade's fake-ass SLs? Not just Tamra. Who else saw Brooks for the creepy, sleazy con artist he is from the very beginning? Tamra... and pretty much 99% of the viewing audience. When Tamra gets it right, she gets it unfailingly right. And so it is the case with Kelly. Sure, I loved Kelly putting Shannon Delusional Beador in her place. But Kelly is a shark-eyed opportunist as much as Tamra ever was. She is also a crazy loose cannon who gets drunk on the regular. Tamra READ her in that Twitter rant. Even Tamra knows the kids are off limits and it boomerangs badly on you if you start to target them. Kelly is really... off. There is something kind of dead-eyed about her. Just as Tamra has a big-ass comeuppance due from the other women she has hurt, so too does Kelly need to have people to check her and clip her wings. Otherwise you create an uncontrollable monster -- like Bethenny, or Jill.

RHoNY: The Reunion finale has already been talked about in depth here; needless to say, the group hug at the end said it all. Everybody went in for it, but Carole was left clinging on Andy's arm in the most awkward way. Like a spoiled child who'd just thrown her toys on the floor, Bethenny pouted with her arms crossed and refused to participate in the hugathon. She was so pissed that Andy (and Dorinda) called her out on her mess. I believe the rumors that Bethenny is popping Adderall like candy and it is making her aggressive and clouding her judgement about how she is coming across. Luann may not be perfect and god knows Bethenny has always hated Luann and felt looked down by her but... Bethenny's treatment of both Sonja and Luann was beyond the pale this season.

It's scary and unnecessary how much work Kim and her daughter have had done. The nose, the lips, whatever Kim's done around her eyes... Brielle isn't even 21 yet and Kim looked fine as she was, only being in her upper 30's. It's ridiculous. Y'know, the hubby and I were just talking about this a couple nights back, how Nene appeals to white viewers more so than black viewers for this very reason. I didn't see Nene, but regarding the jokes, I'd say that's part of the problem with the Housewives fame and the attempt to keep the momentum going. They originally catch on with viewers because of their authentic (mostly) personality at the onset of a series, with their one-liners and funny phrases. So after a couple seasons have aired, they try too hard to keep it going and it's no longer authentic. Instead, it's like a writer is off-camera feeding them lines as they do their talking head interviews (I'd say Lisa Vanderpump is one of few who's managed to maintained fresh, witty jokes as the seasons have progressed). That is an interesting fact I did not know, that Nene's fanbase is more white viewers than black. In some ways, I am not surprised. I guess she plays up the clownish aspect when she is on Fashion Police or 'Brah-way.' Actually, the reason I like her on RHoA (or used to like her) is that her insecurities and feelings of being 'lesser than' were very interesting and real. She was not afraid to show her vulnerabilities sometimes. As you say, when seasons progress, HWs start wanting to control the narrative and presenting only a certain picture of themselves, and IMO that is when the downfall comes. Nene is a case in point; so, too, is Shannon on RHOC. You can smell the bullsh*t a mile away. I would even say LVP even tho I am such a fan of her. It is obvious that she is instrumental in controlling the image that is put out there of her -- ofc that was bound to happen, she lives in Hollywood after all and has become a reality star. It saddens me a little. I will always love LVP and her fabulousness and whole demeanour, but it will never be like it was during the first two seasons of BH. The HWs are all guarded now and in damage-control mode. IA about her talking heads, however. LVP is witty, urbane and smart and that is a joy to watch.

Remember when Porsha was slim, prim Mary-Sue McBeard4Cash? She is literally advertising her wares here. And there's that true Christian Southern belle, Phaedra. Those are two hella synthetic outfits on both of them. I hope they don't stand near an open flame. Speaking of RHoA -- or former Atlantans... saw Kim Zolciak and her kid Brielle on WWHL. I'm going to ignore the dead sheepdog nestling on Kim's head (aka her newest wig) and instead ask WTF did she do to Brielle?? That kid looks nothing like she did a few months ago! She literally turned her into her mini-me -- same ski-jump nose, same over-inflated lips. Can these mothers stop making their underage daughters feel like a trip to the plastic surgeon is the key to a successful life?? Then I watched Fashion Police covering NYFW. Nene is now a regular on that show. My Future BFF Tim Gunn was guesting, he is so fabulous. Nene's new nose does not look as bad as I feared, she still kind of looks like herself, and her nose is not so much Barbiefied as slightly straightened. Guys, she's so not funny though. All she says is "YASS HUNNY YASSSSSSS GURRRRL" *finger snaps.* It sounded like dialogue scripted by a white guy who thinks all black women are big and sassy and 'jive-talk.' I actually cringed at some points. Also when she told Tim Gunn to "STAHP" when he was expressing an opinion she didn't like. Um, TG taught at the Parson's School of Design. How exactly are you a fashion expert? I will say two nice things: 1., her wig looked nice. It was a blonde bob. It will never be the iconic short blonde 1930s hair, but it was decent. 2. I wish she was back on RHoA. Kandi can't have it all easy all of the time!

Thank goodness Cheap. I was seriously worried there for a minute. I know what you mean! Heather was like a persnickety dog with a BONE and wouldn't let go when it came to Meaghan and Shannon trying to cover their asses. And I LOVED IT. The fact is that they both knew the situation was fairly serious for Vicki. They didn't care, and spent 7 hours on the golf course and having dinner and bitching about it instead of just getting in the damn car and driving over to see Vicki for 10 mins. BTW, David is a whiney little bitch saying that Vicki could just go and text Brooks if she wanted someone to visit her. Meghan trying to shift the blame on Tamra WHEN SHE WASN'T EVEN THERE was especially hilarious. I mean, obviously Tamra is to blame for most of the world's ills but that was just a lame attempt to distract attention. I am so ready for Tamra to go in on them next week. Shannon at her kids' rock concert looks like another fake-ass display of forced hilarity, but thankfully her MIL puts paid to that fakery! I do feel bad for Shannon tho. Obvs she is a nagging, needy shrew, but to put the blame of David's affair entirely on her shoulders gives that spineless idiot a free pass. People seem to do that more and more these days when a guy cheats -- oh it must be because his wife was awful! Nobody put a gun to David's head, and he did what he damn well pleased. He's only sorry he got caught.

THANK YOU! This is everything I feel about NJ right now. And I actually like Kathy and Rosie now, even tho I hate Rich. Kathy actually has a point about Teresa, and I admire her for working diligently and creating a small business for herself and her family. She's a doer, not a talker. I just wish she'd stop complaining about Tre because she has better things to do with her life, and it's not worth begging that branch of the family for acceptance when Teresa always puts her down to build herself up. I think Bravo feels Teresa carries the show but it is painfully apparent with her return that she cannot. And def agree she has learned zero from being in prison. She has deluded herself that it was a grave injustice that she was sentenced, that she is an eternal victim of the "haters who want to bring me down." Honestly, letting go of Caroline Manzo in favor of bore-pocrite Dina was a mistake. YASSS I saw this on Tamara Tattles and was coming over to post the news! I love Marlo! I think she would be a fab addition as a housewife, not just a FOH. I caught her on that I Dream of Nene spinoff and she was the only thing worth watching on that. She spread fabulosity in every scene. Bless his heart, but Gregg Leakes just does not have the personality to help carry a show.

Juliette. She's the one I cant stand. I loved Caprise when she was on. Its too bad bc she was a big personality and actually famous with a real career Ugh Juliet that whiney complainer. She sucks the air out of every room! I love Caprice too. I've seen her in a bunch of reality stuff, and while obvs she has an image to maintain, she is also pretty self-deprecating and doesn't try to be something she is not. I'd love it if she came back. She can take Annabelle's place (who I will actually miss for drama-stirring purposes).

I'm glad to hear it is coming back, I thought it had been cancelled! I wish it was more closely aligned to the RH franchise as I think that would win the show more fans, but I also understand why the show wanted to preserve a very London brand of uniqueness. LOL is very much unlike the other foreign RH franchises, but it does reflect a certain kind of London perfectly. Glad Caroline Stanbury will be in it, she is pretty much the tent pole personality of the show. Even tho she was absolutely awful and fake and inauthentic (kinda like Kelly Bensimon in a way!), I hope Caroline Fleming returns so she can be torn to shreds lol. I forget the name of the needy, try hard brunette who was always kissing up to Caroline Stanbury to the detriment of her longtime friends but it will be interesting if she returns.

I remember when Nene used to be funny and witty but now it is forced and empty. It's especially noticeable on Fashion Police. (Tim Gunn on the same show is just hilarious without even trying). That said, I wish Nene was on this season of RHoA, and I wish this would be the season she realises she needs to check the attitude. She doesn't need to remind everybody of her importance to the show -- she is already the OG of the Atlanta housewives. Unlike Bethenny, tho, I don't think it is all about deluded arrogance, but about fear/insecurity of being outshone. Melbourne was awesome this season. Best HW franchise of 2016 imo. The Lydia stuff is literally OMG/car crash TV.

The thing with Bethenny is that Jules was actually pretty nice with her and gave her plenty of outs to redeem herself if she wanted. After Jules talked about her struggles with anorexia, Bethenny could have said "You know what, I'm sorry. I didn't fully understand the pressure you were under at the time, and I projected my own issues with this disorder onto you." Instead she disparaged Jules as being a 'bad Jew' and piped up in support of her cheating husband, probably because he is a rich hedge fund manager and a man. Clearly she hates most women. I don't think Bethenny to this day realises how badly she came across. I think she thinks she was being real and funny and a truth teller and everybody would find it hilarious. She has literally become the very people she joked about during her first seasons on the show.

RHoNY part 2 reunion: I can't believe anybody could be more toxic than Jill and Kelly during the Season 4 Reunion when they tore into Alex and made fun of her blushing skin. Welp, I was wrong. Bethenny is... a psycho. She is literally mad with power. I couldn't believe what I was watching. She is obsessed with destroying Luann and to a lesser extent Sonja, Dorinda and Jules's reputations. I can't believe the contrast between her now and Season 2 Bethenny (which is being repeated in the UK and which I am watching atm). Gone is the self-deprecation, or humanity. She is monstrous (as this week's WWHL episode also illustrated). Dorinda and others hinted at it during reunion, and Tamara Tattles came out and said it: Bethenny has no mutual friends giving her info. She does, however, have PIs tailing some of these women for the purposes of entertainment on this show, i.e.: bringing them down in order that Bethenny look good. She is unhinged, and on WWHL sounded straight-up high on the very substances she accuses Dorinda and others of abusing. For Andy to bring up critical comments by the audience to a fellow EP of the show must say something about the ton of audience hate Bethenny got this season. Even Kyle (another BTS producer) never got called out that much. I think the moment she came across the worst was with Jules. It's too bad Jules won't be returning next season because I would love to see her get a Jules Gets Her Groove Back SL. Jules was genuine, calm, argued all her points honestly and coherently. All Bethenny could do was to scream at her for giving a bad image of Jews. It was probably her lowest point of the episode, matched only by Carole's smugness about Jules's eating disorder (which Jules also shut down). Luann needs to dump Tom. He is awful and a liability, and her lying to cover for him is making her look terrible and playing into Bethenny's hands.

omg @Cheap21 -- did you hear Mino's Body yet??