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@Nothin'ButAttitude, @Taoboi: I agree with both of you! Look, imo Tamra is the devil incarnate. She has done so much awful stuff on and offscreen. Naked wasted/pimping her son out. Siccing some crazies on Lizzie in the off-season. Bullying Alexis to the point where it was like watching somebody kick a lame puppy over and over. Truly I wish there was a season where she gets her comeuppance. Season 9 could have been that, but at Reunion I have to give props, Tamra held her own, and it was only Vicki who decimated her with her epic "You look like the most miserable person in the world" speech. As much as it pains me to admit, Tamra sometimes speaks the truth -- or at least what the audience is thinking. That's why she is so effective in nailing her targets to the wall. Who else thought Alexis was an annoying hypocritical jealous bimbo and her hubby a total misogynist slug? Not only Tamra, surely. Who else was deeply irritated by Gretchen & Slade's fake-ass SLs? Not just Tamra. Who else saw Brooks for the creepy, sleazy con artist he is from the very beginning? Tamra... and pretty much 99% of the viewing audience. When Tamra gets it right, she gets it unfailingly right. And so it is the case with Kelly. Sure, I loved Kelly putting Shannon Delusional Beador in her place. But Kelly is a shark-eyed opportunist as much as Tamra ever was. She is also a crazy loose cannon who gets drunk on the regular. Tamra READ her in that Twitter rant. Even Tamra knows the kids are off limits and it boomerangs badly on you if you start to target them. Kelly is really... off. There is something kind of dead-eyed about her. Just as Tamra has a big-ass comeuppance due from the other women she has hurt, so too does Kelly need to have people to check her and clip her wings. Otherwise you create an uncontrollable monster -- like Bethenny, or Jill.

RHoNY: The Reunion finale has already been talked about in depth here; needless to say, the group hug at the end said it all. Everybody went in for it, but Carole was left clinging on Andy's arm in the most awkward way. Like a spoiled child who'd just thrown her toys on the floor, Bethenny pouted with her arms crossed and refused to participate in the hugathon. She was so pissed that Andy (and Dorinda) called her out on her mess. I believe the rumors that Bethenny is popping Adderall like candy and it is making her aggressive and clouding her judgement about how she is coming across. Luann may not be perfect and god knows Bethenny has always hated Luann and felt looked down by her but... Bethenny's treatment of both Sonja and Luann was beyond the pale this season.

It's scary and unnecessary how much work Kim and her daughter have had done. The nose, the lips, whatever Kim's done around her eyes... Brielle isn't even 21 yet and Kim looked fine as she was, only being in her upper 30's. It's ridiculous. Y'know, the hubby and I were just talking about this a couple nights back, how Nene appeals to white viewers more so than black viewers for this very reason. I didn't see Nene, but regarding the jokes, I'd say that's part of the problem with the Housewives fame and the attempt to keep the momentum going. They originally catch on with viewers because of their authentic (mostly) personality at the onset of a series, with their one-liners and funny phrases. So after a couple seasons have aired, they try too hard to keep it going and it's no longer authentic. Instead, it's like a writer is off-camera feeding them lines as they do their talking head interviews (I'd say Lisa Vanderpump is one of few who's managed to maintained fresh, witty jokes as the seasons have progressed). That is an interesting fact I did not know, that Nene's fanbase is more white viewers than black. In some ways, I am not surprised. I guess she plays up the clownish aspect when she is on Fashion Police or 'Brah-way.' Actually, the reason I like her on RHoA (or used to like her) is that her insecurities and feelings of being 'lesser than' were very interesting and real. She was not afraid to show her vulnerabilities sometimes. As you say, when seasons progress, HWs start wanting to control the narrative and presenting only a certain picture of themselves, and IMO that is when the downfall comes. Nene is a case in point; so, too, is Shannon on RHOC. You can smell the bullsh*t a mile away. I would even say LVP even tho I am such a fan of her. It is obvious that she is instrumental in controlling the image that is put out there of her -- ofc that was bound to happen, she lives in Hollywood after all and has become a reality star. It saddens me a little. I will always love LVP and her fabulousness and whole demeanour, but it will never be like it was during the first two seasons of BH. The HWs are all guarded now and in damage-control mode. IA about her talking heads, however. LVP is witty, urbane and smart and that is a joy to watch.

Remember when Porsha was slim, prim Mary-Sue McBeard4Cash? She is literally advertising her wares here. And there's that true Christian Southern belle, Phaedra. Those are two hella synthetic outfits on both of them. I hope they don't stand near an open flame. Speaking of RHoA -- or former Atlantans... saw Kim Zolciak and her kid Brielle on WWHL. I'm going to ignore the dead sheepdog nestling on Kim's head (aka her newest wig) and instead ask WTF did she do to Brielle?? That kid looks nothing like she did a few months ago! She literally turned her into her mini-me -- same ski-jump nose, same over-inflated lips. Can these mothers stop making their underage daughters feel like a trip to the plastic surgeon is the key to a successful life?? Then I watched Fashion Police covering NYFW. Nene is now a regular on that show. My Future BFF Tim Gunn was guesting, he is so fabulous. Nene's new nose does not look as bad as I feared, she still kind of looks like herself, and her nose is not so much Barbiefied as slightly straightened. Guys, she's so not funny though. All she says is "YASS HUNNY YASSSSSSS GURRRRL" *finger snaps.* It sounded like dialogue scripted by a white guy who thinks all black women are big and sassy and 'jive-talk.' I actually cringed at some points. Also when she told Tim Gunn to "STAHP" when he was expressing an opinion she didn't like. Um, TG taught at the Parson's School of Design. How exactly are you a fashion expert? I will say two nice things: 1., her wig looked nice. It was a blonde bob. It will never be the iconic short blonde 1930s hair, but it was decent. 2. I wish she was back on RHoA. Kandi can't have it all easy all of the time!

Thank goodness Cheap. I was seriously worried there for a minute. I know what you mean! Heather was like a persnickety dog with a BONE and wouldn't let go when it came to Meaghan and Shannon trying to cover their asses. And I LOVED IT. The fact is that they both knew the situation was fairly serious for Vicki. They didn't care, and spent 7 hours on the golf course and having dinner and bitching about it instead of just getting in the damn car and driving over to see Vicki for 10 mins. BTW, David is a whiney little bitch saying that Vicki could just go and text Brooks if she wanted someone to visit her. Meghan trying to shift the blame on Tamra WHEN SHE WASN'T EVEN THERE was especially hilarious. I mean, obviously Tamra is to blame for most of the world's ills but that was just a lame attempt to distract attention. I am so ready for Tamra to go in on them next week. Shannon at her kids' rock concert looks like another fake-ass display of forced hilarity, but thankfully her MIL puts paid to that fakery! I do feel bad for Shannon tho. Obvs she is a nagging, needy shrew, but to put the blame of David's affair entirely on her shoulders gives that spineless idiot a free pass. People seem to do that more and more these days when a guy cheats -- oh it must be because his wife was awful! Nobody put a gun to David's head, and he did what he damn well pleased. He's only sorry he got caught.

THANK YOU! This is everything I feel about NJ right now. And I actually like Kathy and Rosie now, even tho I hate Rich. Kathy actually has a point about Teresa, and I admire her for working diligently and creating a small business for herself and her family. She's a doer, not a talker. I just wish she'd stop complaining about Tre because she has better things to do with her life, and it's not worth begging that branch of the family for acceptance when Teresa always puts her down to build herself up. I think Bravo feels Teresa carries the show but it is painfully apparent with her return that she cannot. And def agree she has learned zero from being in prison. She has deluded herself that it was a grave injustice that she was sentenced, that she is an eternal victim of the "haters who want to bring me down." Honestly, letting go of Caroline Manzo in favor of bore-pocrite Dina was a mistake. YASSS I saw this on Tamara Tattles and was coming over to post the news! I love Marlo! I think she would be a fab addition as a housewife, not just a FOH. I caught her on that I Dream of Nene spinoff and she was the only thing worth watching on that. She spread fabulosity in every scene. Bless his heart, but Gregg Leakes just does not have the personality to help carry a show.

Juliette. She's the one I cant stand. I loved Caprise when she was on. Its too bad bc she was a big personality and actually famous with a real career Ugh Juliet that whiney complainer. She sucks the air out of every room! I love Caprice too. I've seen her in a bunch of reality stuff, and while obvs she has an image to maintain, she is also pretty self-deprecating and doesn't try to be something she is not. I'd love it if she came back. She can take Annabelle's place (who I will actually miss for drama-stirring purposes).

I'm glad to hear it is coming back, I thought it had been cancelled! I wish it was more closely aligned to the RH franchise as I think that would win the show more fans, but I also understand why the show wanted to preserve a very London brand of uniqueness. LOL is very much unlike the other foreign RH franchises, but it does reflect a certain kind of London perfectly. Glad Caroline Stanbury will be in it, she is pretty much the tent pole personality of the show. Even tho she was absolutely awful and fake and inauthentic (kinda like Kelly Bensimon in a way!), I hope Caroline Fleming returns so she can be torn to shreds lol. I forget the name of the needy, try hard brunette who was always kissing up to Caroline Stanbury to the detriment of her longtime friends but it will be interesting if she returns.

I remember when Nene used to be funny and witty but now it is forced and empty. It's especially noticeable on Fashion Police. (Tim Gunn on the same show is just hilarious without even trying). That said, I wish Nene was on this season of RHoA, and I wish this would be the season she realises she needs to check the attitude. She doesn't need to remind everybody of her importance to the show -- she is already the OG of the Atlanta housewives. Unlike Bethenny, tho, I don't think it is all about deluded arrogance, but about fear/insecurity of being outshone. Melbourne was awesome this season. Best HW franchise of 2016 imo. The Lydia stuff is literally OMG/car crash TV.

The thing with Bethenny is that Jules was actually pretty nice with her and gave her plenty of outs to redeem herself if she wanted. After Jules talked about her struggles with anorexia, Bethenny could have said "You know what, I'm sorry. I didn't fully understand the pressure you were under at the time, and I projected my own issues with this disorder onto you." Instead she disparaged Jules as being a 'bad Jew' and piped up in support of her cheating husband, probably because he is a rich hedge fund manager and a man. Clearly she hates most women. I don't think Bethenny to this day realises how badly she came across. I think she thinks she was being real and funny and a truth teller and everybody would find it hilarious. She has literally become the very people she joked about during her first seasons on the show.

RHoNY part 2 reunion: I can't believe anybody could be more toxic than Jill and Kelly during the Season 4 Reunion when they tore into Alex and made fun of her blushing skin. Welp, I was wrong. Bethenny is... a psycho. She is literally mad with power. I couldn't believe what I was watching. She is obsessed with destroying Luann and to a lesser extent Sonja, Dorinda and Jules's reputations. I can't believe the contrast between her now and Season 2 Bethenny (which is being repeated in the UK and which I am watching atm). Gone is the self-deprecation, or humanity. She is monstrous (as this week's WWHL episode also illustrated). Dorinda and others hinted at it during reunion, and Tamara Tattles came out and said it: Bethenny has no mutual friends giving her info. She does, however, have PIs tailing some of these women for the purposes of entertainment on this show, i.e.: bringing them down in order that Bethenny look good. She is unhinged, and on WWHL sounded straight-up high on the very substances she accuses Dorinda and others of abusing. For Andy to bring up critical comments by the audience to a fellow EP of the show must say something about the ton of audience hate Bethenny got this season. Even Kyle (another BTS producer) never got called out that much. I think the moment she came across the worst was with Jules. It's too bad Jules won't be returning next season because I would love to see her get a Jules Gets Her Groove Back SL. Jules was genuine, calm, argued all her points honestly and coherently. All Bethenny could do was to scream at her for giving a bad image of Jews. It was probably her lowest point of the episode, matched only by Carole's smugness about Jules's eating disorder (which Jules also shut down). Luann needs to dump Tom. He is awful and a liability, and her lying to cover for him is making her look terrible and playing into Bethenny's hands.

omg @Cheap21 -- did you hear Mino's Body yet??

Wow. What an INSANE episode of RHOC! They almost broke the fourth wall last night with the 'somebody really is injured, now let's get the medics here' scenes. Heather reassuring her sone Nicholas felt very mom-like and genuine. Nicholas reminds me of RHoM's Lea Black's son, a smart and sweet kid who calls it like he sees it. Can't believe Bravo kept filming. Can't believe Kelly's helmet fell off in mid-quad-roll and she didn't get injured at all. Quads are so dangerous! Hope Vicki ended up ok. Clearly Tamra did, judging by the previews. I know Meghan and Jim are not fans of Vicki, but the least Meghan could do is go to hospital for a quick visit to drop off some flowers and ask if she can be of any help, given that Vicki is not far from her in Palm Desert. Jim is such an !@#$%^&*] lol but his assholery is weirdly very watchable. He just don't give a sh*t. I felt so bad for Tamra's mom. Kelly was doing nothing to calm her down, instead just making her more and more anxious. K did the same with Brianna over the phone. Next week, Tamra calling Shannon jealous because Vicki is the victim now is PERFECTION -- and I'm not even a fan of Tamra. Actually, next week's episode in general looks pretty good. BTW I read somewhere that this season the number of episodes have been curtailed to 16, mainly because of this accident which halted filming for a bit. Maybe that is a good thing.

@Cheap21: IA. Lotto is an autotune mess and I hate it. I think it's the only EXO I've ever hated (I like Wolf now btw!). I am also disappointed in CL's effort. I feel like this would be edgy and exotic in Korea -- in 2005. In the US, it is completely generic. I preferred Hello Bitches a lot more. Red Velvet had their comeback today. I have no clue what to think about the mv (the styling of Joy and Seulgi in particular is a MESS), but the song is a bop. It has a very classic 80s girl group feel: Bobby of iKON also released a solo song, and it will be twinned/go up against a solo by Winner's Mino (which hasn't yet been released). Here it is. Definite Big Bang/Dynamic Duo/GD sound:

Caught up on RHoNY. LuAnn came for Bethenny as she was well entitled to do. Seeing the Berkshire scenes again where Bethenny just spews bile was a great reminder of what a toxic, bitter sicko Bethenny is. I am actually stunned her BFF Andy called her out on it. She hit the cray button when she called up her married fiancé's 'daughter' *cough*intern*cough* on the show. I really need two more Reunion episodes where Bethenny gets raked over the coals for her noxious behaviour. I also think she got another nose job between the end of this season and the reunion. It now looks like a tiny insect. Carole is her yapping lapdog. Equally ghastly human being. Even though she looks like one of the Sister Wives in that outfit [ (c) Tamara Tattles], it weirdly suits her, and her face is looking rejuvenated. Don't care about Ramona's tits. Even with the cocaine allegations thrown at her (another lovely Bethenny moment), I still like Dorinda and appreciated how she stood her ground against that emaciated pitbull. Dorinda is pretty much the only one on the show unafraid of Bethenny's power. Even LuAnn is cowering. Luann should dump Tom. I know she thinks this is her only chance at re-marriage, but honestly, she, Sonja and Ramona need to stop dipping their toes in the same tiny sperm-bath of balding 65-year old men. This is a pool where marriage is not and will never be a priority, lol. Widen your horizons, Lu! ------- RHOC: I know everyone is raving about the addition of Kelly this season but... there is something really off about her. Maybe it's her teeth freaking me out, but she comes across as a whiney chipmunk. I love that she absolutely decimated Heather and Shannon, but I just do not find her 100% likeable. I also think she is abusing something. That meal with Heather, she seemed high. Shannon Beador is starting to refer to herself as Shannon Beador. Delusions of grandeur. Her smoochy-moopsy 'video diary' with that high-pitched nitwit DavidBeador was some badly-acted scripted bullshiot. I can't with her twinkly eyes and 'exclusive video footage' of naked DavidBeador eating guacamole in the jacuzzi. ----- I have no heart to watch RHoNJ. I feel it will be an exhausting void of nothingness. I loved the mini-show they did following Teresa's family while she was in prison, but this... this is just terrible. Nobody is coming out of this looking good, except maybe the two newbies occasionally.

Agreed. Stick a fork in NJ, it's done. I would be very surprised if Danielle Staub would return, tbh. She was meant to be in Season 3 (aka the season that the Gorgas ate) because she was the one who in Season 2 Reunion threatened Teresa with info about her family -- info given to Danielle by Melissa. But she turned it down, and Bravo reached out to her a couple of times to return later which she also turned down. Apparently she wanted to go low-profile for her kids' sake as they had suffered in school while she was on the show. I can't really blame her for putting her daughters and their chances at an education first. RHoNY: Finally watched this sh*tshow of a product placement infomercial. RHoNY broke the fourth wall with this episode. The women were barely hiding that what we are seeing is instigated only for the cameras and that this show is their JOB. I absolutely believe Dorinda when she said Tom called her up in order to set up a scene where the 'waiters reveal that it was all a big mistake.' That kind of scripted BS makes me lose a bit of empathy for LuAnn -- and I *LOVE* the Countess. But she is wedded (pun intended) to the idea of getting married to this jerk (who ain't all that in the looks department) and getting a Wedding By Bravo. I wish she had cut her losses and just said Tom and her are working through things but the wedding is off for now. Instead she just looks desperate to be married -- at any cost. Lord, Ramona looked so bad with her awful hair extensions and that hair turd on the top of her head. I wish I could find a gif of it but I can't. IA with some of you who say Carole needs to stay. Her SL is a bore (I had forgotten she was still with that whey-faced kid), but she stirs the pot and pits people against each other so they can fight her battles for her. She is a bigger pot-stirrer than Dorinda. She is mean and spiteful, but there are moments when she is almost human. The only problem is that Andy loves her and Bethenny and won't have a bad word or a bad-edit done against them. It is depressing watching a show where two toxic people will always be protected. The other women have the deck unfairly stacked against them. Bravo should just let the audience decide who they like and let the chips fall where they may. Bethenny. Sigh. Obviously she did this 'reveal' for ratings and because she cannot stand that Luann was the STAR this season. She couldn't bear that Luann stole her thunder and was going to get a wedding out of this. She is really angry and unhappy and toxic and I feel like she hates most women deep down. Also she can't act. I hope she gets EXPOSED at Reunion. I can't help but like Sonja because she is a Sag like me. I'm glad she ended the season being the most sober and level-headed of them all, without losing that hint of delusion that makes Sonja, Sonja.

So basically what we are saying is to watch Auckland instead of OC this week? Because Whatshername getting inseminated + Shannon's fake vow renewal are not calling to me rn. Shannon seems permanently set on Offended! mode. Also: I'm trying to warm to Kelly but so many outbursts are starting to seem like contrived.

I finally watched this latest episode of RHoNY. I cannot believe how tolerable Carole was here! Sonja is literally a wind-up toy who has nothing to say until you wind her up and she repeats "Tom was my lover! Tom was my lover!" over and over. Bethenny is literally the worst. She is an absolutely awful human being, gleefully feeding off another person's possible unhappiness. She prolonged telling LuAnn for days just so she could make fun of her on the sly. And I thought she was bleeding out of every orifice/on her deathbed? Not in that tiny bikini. Poor LuAnn. I really feel bad for her because she knows that these women made it their business to bring down her engagement. I also felt for when she told Carole that her marriage to Alex de Lesseps was open because she just had to put up with his cheating. Otherwise she was not cut out for that kind of life. Best moment of the episode: lol amazing analogy! Carole's was the kicker.

With Bethenny it's a tough one. She does create drama and stir the pot, but she's such a bully. No one is allowed to call her out on her methods or her bitterness. She has to be the winner all the time and to do that, she must put the others down. Case in point : LuAnn . The rumor is that B wanted to have the engagement /marriage SL this season, and when it looked like L was beating her to it, she did everything to pissed all over. Basically abandoning her principle plan to alienate Sonja off the show, because she needed her to show up LuAnn. As for Nene, she will be advise to pay off the IRS quickly and quietly. But former cast member? Lmao. Now she needs the Bravo cheque to help pay up. Brawway ain't gonna cut it. She has that new face to pay for, too.

Was Dr Woo the one who attempted to do brain surgery on her and shaved her head, and then Viv and Jennifer's mom broke out of the looney bin and set it on fire? Back in 1994? Lol wow I'm old.

We'll blame this on the show being a borefest. God bless the two new girls because they are the best things on there. Everybody else is tired and fake.

Don't worry. Shannon will play victim as always "I've been under a lot of pressure," "She pushed me to breaking point," "she made me do it," "I am usually such a peaceful person" etc., and her stans will eat it up because she is now Poster Girl for the Poor Cheated-Upon Wives Who 'Forgive' Their Husbands brigade. (And I do feel sympathy for her situation -- she exudes unhappiness and dissatisfaction in her marriage and her life). And IA with you about her wanting to de-throne Vicki. I think she genuinely was her pal the first season but last season with the fake cancer scandal, she saw her chance and cut her off. Honestly, I think that she let a lot of praise go straight to her head. She really acts up the family scenes in front of the cameras now. She has not realized two important rules of RHOC tho: 1. Tamra and Vicki will always make up and break up, and 2. Tamra will betray you in a heartbeat, cut you off and try and get you off the show. The fact that Shannon thinks she can ice out Vicki from the show AND 'manage' Tamra is the height of her delusion. Kelly is loud and unconventional and more importantly seems to want to enjoy life and live it up. For some reason, the latter really pisses some people off (see Lisa V's haters). IA with Chris B, Giraffe is literally the worst HW of all time. She was last year, too, when she was all smug and self-righteous and hiding behind Jim Edmonds' status.

@Cheap21 OMG I LOVE BLACKPINK RN CHEAP. And Lisa is the one I think I will fangirl over -- I couldn't take my eyes off her! That is not to say that you cannot stan 2ne1 and BP at the same time. If anything, BP's comeback has made me go back to 2ne1's old songs and relisten, mainly because Boombayah and Whistle are more uptempo while 2ne1 have some classic ballads in their back catalogue (Missing You, Lonely are two of my favourites). I really appreciate Bom's voice in those, also Minzy and CL's. Out of the two BP releases I really like Whistle. But BBY is catchy too.

That was awesome. No Shannon comment though?

Kelly is a mess and out of control. From a RL perspective, that is extremely problematic. From a viewer's POV, it is gold. I thought she got unnecessarily vulgar for the sake of the cameras, butShannon obvs set her up with those "friends" in a bid to humiliate her and besmirch her reputation on camera. Shannon is coming across so badly. She really follows the same pattern -- pick on somebody, isolate them, swear that you will never forgive them, and guilt the other ladies to do the same. She did it with Heather, then Tamra, briefly with Giraffe, and now with Vicki and Kelly. When they don't toe the line, she upbraids them like a prim school-marm. Tamra already looks about ready to dump her ass and turn on her, "Spiritual Gangster" stylez. Heather having a hissy fit like a ballerina with a ladder in her tights was Was nobody paying attention to her or something? Her fake crying, omg. I really cannot buy any story either she or Terry are trying to sell me. He comes across so much better on Botched By Nature when he's paired with Paul Nassif. Megan getting inseminated -- couldn't care less. And neither could Jimmy. David skeeves me the f*ck out. He comes across as incredibly spineless and fake. That 'surprise' vow renewal feels about as real as Shannon's nose.