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Oh, no, no, no. Please do not apologize. It is not your fault that hate speech permeates any site upon which you happen to find a video of interest to soap fans. No one would expect you to pour through the entire Rumble archives before sharing a classic ATWT episode. I'm grateful that you let us know about the vintage upload. If we can find soap gems on any site, I'll investigate them readily, but fortunately we don't have to watch or endorse any of the other, toxic content out there. God knows, there are many things on Twitter/X and even Youtube I disagree with, but I just block or ignore them, and save the content I want. On the internet, I think we all learn pretty quickly to navigate through the murky waters.

I just glanced around a bit, but I was shocked and sickened to see all the hate speech, disinformation and toxicity given free reign on the platform.

Once venomous trolls target someone, they never quit, alas.

I can't see him deserving to be banned on any site, unless his posting style is vastly different than what it is here.

Thanks for the tag, @DRW50. I can't imagine why @EricMontreal22 would get banned. He's a great poster and adds value to conversations.

He wasn't on very long, and never was a major character, so I doubt many viewers remember him. It's like Pam Chandler and Tim Ryan; most folks today have no clue who they are/were.

It is. She played Janet Mason on TGL. Deerfield and Garrett struck me as quite different. I felt that Deerfield came across as flighty and less substantial than Garrett, who brought a somber depth and thoughtfulness to the role. Garrett made Holly a full, flesh-and-blood woman, which made her much more memorable and powerful to watch. Holly is an icon thanks to Garrett. JMHO.

Bert Bauer, Mike Bauer, Ed Bauer, OG Holly Norris, Janet Norris, Peggy Scott, Leslie Jackson, Steve Jackson, Wilson Frost, Sara McIntyre, Ken Norris, Adam Thorpe, Barbara Norris. Don't ask me to name 85% of the characters from the final few decades of the show, LOL, but when TGL was great, its characters were memorable. Thank you @Sapounopera. I enjoyed seeing that. It sure brought back a lot of memories!

Thanks @Joseph and @DRW50. I haven't seen this episode since 1975. SFT was so good that year.

Another goodie! Thanks @MissPalmer and @DRW50!

Hear, hear! Everyone who alerts the community to "new" vintage episodes deserves applause. Thank you, @MissPalmer!

I appreciate the viewable link, @DRW50! Between this the ep of The Brighter Day you've told me about, I'll have a vintage-soap weekend! Gracias!

Thanks, @DRW50. I don't believe I had seen this episode, either, but I've generally enjoyed the eps of TBD which I have watched. I look forward to it.

As always, I appreciate your alerting me to a rare video, but clicking on this link only leads me to a page that says the content is unavailable. Thanks anyway!

A critic who takes it upon himself to "review" a book about a TV series (or play or film or album or artwork) which he has never seen, heard, nor has any knowledge of whatsoever, cannot be taken seriously as a credible voice of analysis. This dithering piece shames the NYT more than it does Lemay. This is a mesmerizing scene between Pat and Jamie. Beverly Penberthy was the kind of gem (like Jacquie Courtney) whom TPTB should have moved heaven and earth to hang onto, particularly because by 1982, she was one of the few, comforting links remaining to the past. By now, the long-standing idiocy and incompetence of TPTB is well documented, but it never fails to disappoint how willfully and consistently they crippled the soaps over the years. Thanks for sharing this.

As I say, personal opinion can vary completely from person to person. And, it would be terribly tedious if everyone sat around saying nothing but, "I agree with you! You are so right! Ain't that the truth? Nobody could ever deny that!" At least contrasting opinions keep things lively. It's like people who say they hate puppies. They immediately raise my suspicion and ire, LOL!

Perfectly expressed, by both you and the legendary Irna Phillips. To me, Sheffer did not write the soaps in a way they were meant to be written; he wrote them in a destructive, modern-era fashion, a weak bastardization of the genre. Folks like Ron Carlivati are continuing on with that unfortunate practice today, and the soaps are worse off for it.

@te., thanks for uploading that video of Brenda and Dylan. I bought the first two seasons of Beverly Hills 90210 on DVD when the series was first released. It was a big, big, BIG mistake giving away all my VHS tapes in favor of the DVDs. The discs were horrible quality; episodes missing scenes and all the original music replaced by elevator-like muzak, which completely destroyed the tone and feeling of the show. Without REM's Losing My Religion, the scene you uploaded here was emotionally empty. Now I research DVDs thoroughly before I buy them, and if the original soundtrack has been cut and replaced, I won't buy them. Tour of Duty and the original Roswell were two more TV series ruined or at least seriously damaged by music changes when they came to DVD.

While admittedly, some of SoapCentral's posted info is accurate, a HUGE amount of it is untrue fan fiction, created and pulled directly out of some anonymous contributor's butt. The site is just not a reliable source of information.

Don Chastain, referring to when he was writing SFT, once complained that the mandate from TPTB was always, "just copy whatever General Hospital is doing." Executives are not necessarily creative people in any sense. They are more apt to be "monkey see, monkey do" types, in the sense that if they believe a concept is working somewhere, they'll all jump on the bandwagon and drive that idea into the ground. IMHO, that's why we've been burdened with the same tired gimmicks and mechanics on the soaps for the last several decades. They supposedly worked once, and everyone has been copying and using them ever since. Yes, and yes. The bottom line is making money, no matter how unhealthy and damaging certain toxic conventions of today's soap operas are. Rapemances have always turned my stomach, but since GH made rape a glorious fairy tale ("Rape me, Luke!") instead of the degenerate act of violence it actually is, soaps have shamelessly been using it to titillate viewers, despite the harmful message it sends both girls and boys in the audience. Perfectly expressed, as always. Soaps once had a moral compass. Making jokes about rape, and Craig have sex with the child he had raised, was just degenerate. And certainly not true to the "real" ATWT, which had been a huge rating success for so many years. For the record, I found Frederick Bauer sleeping with the girl who had originally been raised as his sister to be quite skeezy as well. Papa Bauer would have boxed his ears!

While I disagree with your take on Sheffer as strenuously as I can, LOL, I acknowledge that tastes, perceptions and interests can (and do) vary significantly from person to person. There have been films, television series, books and plays which were lauded by family members, friends and critics, but which turned me off completely. There have also been films, television series, books and plays which I thoroughly loved and respected, which became some of my all-time favorites, while family members, friends and critics failed to find any merit in them whatsoever. It boggled my mind to hear someone opine to me once that The Mary Tyler Moore Show was "boring and unfunny," but that Laverne and Shirley and Alf were "the best," and his favorite sitcoms of all time. But...to each his own. Probably the biggest challenge of any creative team looking to produce a mainstream hit is finding a way to appeal to the largest number of audience members, despite the to-be-expected, widely-varying opinions and tastes they will have.

I guarantee that I never stopped resenting TIIC who systematically butchered all our shows.

And I've heard it said many times before, from many different folks. The fact that Sheffer won Emmy awards for his writing ATWT confirms the inanity of the Daytime Emmy system, IMHO. (Many of the nominees and winners have been baffling for a long time, if you ask me.) I know that I and other die-hard fans remained with ATWT and TGL looooooong after they deserved it, based solely upon long-time brand loyalty. A friend of mine, who also started watching soaps when were young and in school, used to complain about Ellen Stewart all the time. He said she was dowdy and sullen and just generally annoying. But when Patricia Bruder was fired, he was LIVID. "They can't just write out Ellen like that! She's been there forever; she's PART OF THE SHOW! I can b*tch about her all I want, but how DARE they get rid of her? She's OURS!" He was joking...but only sort of. All fans are protective of our soaps, and that loyalty has helped several shows endure longer than they would have survived without it.

Sheffer really did a number on the show. He could not write multi-dimensional characters. He could not do subtlety. He did not understand many of the veteran characters and kept them sidelined. He was not adept at poignancy or warmth. His ATWT was awash in ham-fisted, low-brow camp with a mean-spirited twist. It was the polar opposite of everything the real ATWT had been built upon and was once popular for. I loved the long-running antagonism Ellen Stewart showed for both Lisa and Susan. Having Kim and Susan (of all people) hug each other in the final episode was just stupid. The 1960s' ATWT was a masterpiece.

@DRW50, thanks for alerting me to this classic episode. I loved seeing it again. I always took glee in watching Kim slice and dice antagonists with her tongue, while remaining classy and superior to them. 👍 Douglas Marland and Robert Calhoun were the perfect team. If I had the opportunity to rewatch full archives of classic soaps, I'd select the years which I considered to be their best (DAYS from 1965 to early 1977, Y&R from 1973 to 1982, AW from 1964 to 1975). With ATWT, it would be a long stretch of episodes, from 1956 to 1981--I'd skip the dark Mary-Ellis Bunim period--and then 1984 to 1993.) I think ATWT and TGL had the longest stretches of quality, overall.