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Thanks very much. I am too big a chicken to have actually watched the movie, even for research.

Do you know whether it is mentioned in the movie as well? @mikeaw1978 in case you want this for the AWHP -- I don't think I have seen it there.

I don't think we should read too much into the use and reuse of a plain English-sounding name like Matthews. On the Another World side, Lemay made several disparaging remarks about the lack of ethnic diversity in Bay City. We have talked a little bit in this forum about how he wasn't allowed to explicitly identify Sylvie as Jewish. He also mentions that he wanted Elena de Poulignac's maiden name to be Strauss but a producer changed it to Carter.

On the one hand we can't really put too much weight on any date in a soap. Time just isn't moving at a logical pace. Some annual holidays like Christmas line up with airdates, but children age rapidly and adults age slowly within the storyline. So I wasn't very bothered by the misalignment of the Cory 25th anniversary under the circumstances. However they could also have decided to celebrate the 25th anniversary of a specific division or publication within the company if they cared about avoiding comparaisons to, say Dennis' age. The Red Swan as it played out felt like it was a delaying tactic. I don't know how much of the plot might have been the same as what was originally intended. I have always imagined that Douglass Watson was motivated to look fit because he was supposed to have a romantic interest in the planned storyline.

That's peculiar to me because one of the things that I liked about Cali's Paulina was that even when Jake was blackmailing her she wasn't submissive. She wasn't afraid to tell him off and she worked to keep control and improve her position as much as possible. And of course she did shoot him. But if she was unhappy backstage and the producers were unable or unwilling to make her happy then I guess it was the best thing for Cali to leave.

I don't think Judi was married yet (Wikipedia says she married Michael Luciano in 1993 -- never mind, found the reference to her previous husband Robert Eth; but wasn't she also engaged to an AW producer or director while she was on the show?) and her Paulina actually aired slightly before Jensen's Vicky, but it makes sense that she could have auditioned for Vicky and been hired as Paulina. (Anne Heche's last airdate according to the AWHP was July 1, 1991. Jensen started on July 25th. Cali's last airdate was July 16th and Judi's first was July 18th.) I'm also trying to think of why Cali would have been disgruntled about Paulina being Mac's daughter instead of another character's. She mentions being excited to work with Victoria Wyndham but also a competitive backstabbing atmosphere. Did she feel like she was fighting for storyline herself against other young blondes, or was it actors in other demographics she found toxic?

That's very interesting where she says that her character had been supposed to be someone else's daughter. I know we have speculated here before about whether Paulina would have been Felicia's daughter.

Thank you. Based on the AWHP synopses I suppose this is from August 5, 1969. I have seen it mentioned but if he supposedly threw chairs on other sets I can't be confident how true it is. These kinds of stories have a tendency to pick up additional details as they go around so maybe an incident on one soap gets told as happening on another, or about one actor gets attributed to another more famous one. Incidentally, in Eight Years in Another World, Lemay mentions an unnamed drunk actor who threw a chair on set one day. He was fired. Whoever he was, he was not the actor (Nicolas Coster?) mentioned in the same paragraph who was fired for habitually not knowing his lines.

😅 This article jumped out at me because of the reference to Alexis Carrington where I normally think of Krystle for obvious reasons. Not actually misinformation in context but it made me laugh.

Here's a [mis]take I have never heard before, from an October 1999 column:

He was on in 1977 so she would have been only 9 or 10 years old.

One thing I found interesting was that she describes RKK's leaving the rôle of Sam suddenly as his decision. Maybe I am mixing up all of the stories of his bad on-set behaviour but I thought that AW had eventually fired him ... or did they just move Sam out of Amanda's orbit when Sandra Ferguson refused to put up with his chair-throwing, and then he quit of his own accord? It was nice to hear that Alice has been friends with Anna Holbrook for a long time. I don't think I realised that she had also known Brent Collins before she was on AW. I assume the Amy she mentioned in passing who was at the same play where they ran into Alan would have been Amy Carlson. She mentioned that she had filmed an episode of Doc with Molly Parker, I assume upcoming in season 2. I haven't watched the series but will look out for it. I was very confused when they started talking about The Handmaid's Tale and Madeline. I don't know Madeline Brewer and have no idea how or why Alice or Alan know her. I also don't remember having heard the story about Julia Roberts recognizing her as Frankie when they met on the Murphy Brown set. A nice interview, sometimes could have used a bit more background explanation but somewhat less painful than other Locher Rooms I have watched. Yes, that was lovely. And funny not only that Alice paid absolutely no attention to the story but also was able to calculate that Constance Ford might have been the only actor who would have been on when her grandmother watched who was still there when Alice was hired.

Thanks for clarifying. I can agree that this is more of a metatextual issue. And I think you are generally more attuned to issues of style that would completely pass me by. No, not at all. I was struggling to interpret @j swift's point but now I am up to speed. I admit I was partly influenced by my own thoughts on the question of what surname female characters choose to use and how easily that can detach them from their maternal roots.

What do we really know, though? Ralph Camargo is described as Mexican but as far as I can tell he was born in California and his parents were also US-born. One set of grandparents were born in Mexico. He does appear to have been brought up in his Mexican grandparents' household in California. But the paternal side is only half the story as well. Wyndham's mother (Florence Skeels) was born in Montana and I don't see any reference to a Latin background on her mother's side.

@slick jones also looks like an uncredited Adam Lefevre about 12 minutes in as a hotel employee.

Thanks. I remembered very little of this other than the fact that it existed but before I looked at it something deep in my brain said "twins" and to my amazement that was right. I have only just glanced at the opening and I marvelled at the odd choice to dub the jingle when Steve Schnetzer is singing alone (both in the ad and when he walks into the room live) but not the little bit where Rita Moreno sings it with him. I mean obviously they're not going to have to dub her singing voice but the contrast is so glaring I would have wanted to handle it some other way.

Yes, that was interesting. I don't think she ever went by Sinclair when she was married to Gary either, did she? Maybe if Russ had stayed around longer it would have happened eventually. Do you remember, did Sharlene go by Matthews when she was originally married to Russ?

That seems like a reasonable guess in the absence of any other evidence. It's impossible to be 100% certain that there was no other reference to the family either from Josie or maybe in relation to Matthew. But the odds seem pretty good that nothing would have come up. Russ was the only other older generation character using the name since his sisters and cousin had all taken their husbands' names. Olivia was a Matthews but she and her daughter with Dennis were also out of the picture.

Oh, absolutely. I'm sure most people neither knew nor cared that Days was not filmed in NYC and that there were many reasons why it was fun and convenient to have Days be the soap Joey was on. It wasn't enough to prevent me from supending disbelief.

I believe those series as well as The Good Wife and its spinoffs were shot in NY so it makes sense that a lot of NY-based actors would crop up. That reminds me tangentially of how peculiar I found the Friends storyline where Joey worked on Days of Our Lives. Friends was set in NYC and at that time Another World was the only NBC soap in NY. Days of Our Lives is of course an LA-based soap and Friends was also made in LA, and in the story Joey didn't have to move or travel to go to work, he just had a job on Days as if the set was in the same city.

That's a bit murky since that happened during a writers' strike. Assuming Kristen Marie had a 2-year contract she left about when her contract would have expired and Sharlene and Josie showed up right before that. Lemay was officially credited as HW from September 1988 but it seems very probable that his anticipated tenure influenced events that happened during the strike which started in April.

DePriest left in January 1988. According to the AWHP, Rose last appeared nearly a year before in February 1987 while both Sara and Peggy appeared as late as October 1987.

She appeared onscreen not long after Rose Livingston and Sara Montaigne, and we found out that Sara was Rose's estranged daughter. I wonder whether Peggy might have been part of that family group -- or else they were just juggling a few different potential mysteries so that they could develop whatever seemed to be getting the best response from the audience. They didn't do anything much with Rose and Sara really either. Maybe Rose would have become more prominent if Rachel and Mac had split up over Mitch, or if Sara had really flourished. In some ways I can picture Cheryl being affected by MJ's prostitution similarly to how Josie was distressed by finding out about Sharlene. But I can also see that Josie as a Frame being involved with Matthew would have different stakes for Rachel and Sharlene than Cheryl being involved with Scott. I do think the solution for Cheryl would have had to be a badder boy than Scott -- either a real bad boy who would do her wrong, or the kind of bad boy (not Chad!!!) who is essentially misunderstood and other people just don't understand. Cheryl would also have been better off with some friends her own age. Matthew and Josie benefited a bit from having other teenagers to interact with.

I think Cheryl was essentially replaced by Josie, and it seems likely that Lemay wanted to bring the Frames back into the picture and for a variety of reasons that it would be McKinnons who would make way for them. Cheryl didn't really get many layers -- she was pretty and kind and sweet and faded into the background so that Scott could participate in the AIDS storyline with Dawn. Looking at the AWHP, other than (not very) shockingly being in love with her mother's adopted son Scott, Cheryl apparently went out with Sam and flirted with much-too-old-for-her John Hudson and MJ's ex-boyfriend/pimp Chad. I know MJ told Mary that she had been a prostitute, but did she tell Cheryl and did she tell anyone about Chad's pimping?

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