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I have seen this look on Ava's face in Spinelli's lair many times before. @DRW50 knows of her "Fire Marshall Bill" mode. Once Jason came into the picture she was shitting herself. I'm guessing she knows that if Jason is on the scene that whatever she is up to has gone sideways.

Ironically, if they'd fully invested in a diverse (and gay friendly) canvas like Mulcahey, etc. wanted them to, well...

You called this similarity - I was surprised and pleased they showed an actual flashback to Sonny shooting Dante yesterday.

I will simply pull up my GL revamp posts next time someone wants to talk about this in that thread. But as for ATWT, yes: I can see P&G capitalizing on things if The Gates does well by trying to get a nostalgia hit on these previously dead IPs from viewers who watched with their parents or grannies or babysitters (my sitter watched the '80s/early '90s CBS lineup religiously). So why not run ATWT for 10-15 mins on an app or something as a trial with a couple families? That's how it all started.

Speaking of which: I wonder if that mooted Soapdish TV revival with Whoopi also got the axe in the streaming pogroms. I can certainly buy all this, but I'm surprised if B&B is so weak. I know very little about the show's current state but I always assumed they were set for years to come despite quality bc of their international popularity. I will leave others to comment on the irony of soap operas now potentially stalking the territory of ailing programs such as The Talk, GMA3, etc.

In fairness (well, to myself) I was only mentioning GL in passing as I thought I was trying to pivot to an ATWT thought experiment, but yes, ITA.

I complimented her dialogue! That's it! Coming to work dressed like Harriet the Spy '96. On the Mountain Dew shelf while he plays Helldivers.

Again, if Y&R makes a change we will know something is up.

I haven't hit today's show yet, but I must say almost all the story segments are smarter now. The Spixie, etc. stuff has been consistently good for over a week IMO which is deeply unsettling for me, a person who has been almost as checked out on Maxie as KS clearly had been for years. She's put in real work over the last week and seems awake and feeling/looking better, and the scripts have been good. The stuff with her, Cody and Sasha yesterday was also smart, including Sasha's POV on women being handled/talked down to. I do not compliment any scenes featuring Sasha lightly, as I often willfully forget she exists when she is not physically on-camera. And Josh Kelly still has a facility for comedy: "Wait, so he conned you into letting him give you money? That bastard!" You better start watching, @Khan!

I'll be that guy talking crazy: Next to Edge of Night I think GL is the P&G soap most viable for a full-on revival, but I can see ATWT going the micro-soap route with a very small and limited core of characters/families that could do something like 10-15 mins online as an experiment. People have been talking about 'microsoaps' lately anyway. It would just be nice to see those classic brands revived in some small way, and to play with the permeability of the medium. As we've all been discussing lately (especially since yesterday's announcement), the TV business has little left to lose. And I'd be curious as to people's individual answers. Not just about Sheffer but about the various regimes following Marland before him. I just know nothing hooked me into the show in that loud, garish period at both ATWT and GL in the late '90s. Sheffer's show got me for awhile because of strong actors and what I felt were very good scripts early on, but its flaws and systemic issues have already been well-trod and are very valid, so as you and others have noted it's classed as unrecognizable for many too. Diving deep into the Marland years as I have since, you see what he did that was so problematic.

LOL, yesterday's gay gossip columnist at the Invader ("Adrian DeWitt") is a very obvious riff on George Sanders' famous character Addison DeWitt from All About Eve. Far from subtle, but it's fun and I don't mind. It's not as obnoxious as the constant in-jokes and references RC used to throw in. (I remember when his film/art references were more quiet and obscure, like the Alec Guinness classic The Horse's Mouth or when he quietly had Shane on OLTL - who the network had vetoed making gay - go off to the "Phil Jimenez Art School" in London, Phil Jimenez being a gay comic artist.) Meanwhile, they got Spinelli living in a studio maintenance closet/Korean Internet cafe. Go back to Maxie’s bro.

I knew about this but haven't looked at it in many years. The show was so huge in Japan.

That didn't exactly start with the last 3 days.

I wish it would also lead to another NY soap being launched, but I doubt it'll film there again. The historical footprint of both P&G and NYC in the art form of soap opera (and the footprint of soaps for both actors and NYC) is immeasurable. I'm just so glad they're back in the game. And you're right, this is what's needed most. (Though I do hope PM shakes up the GH team a lot)

I am so tired of these people:

Nobody here is doing that. As you've been told before. I realize this is your new kinder, gentler revamp, but people and your post history have a long memory. So keep workshopping it and in the meantime let people talk about what they want to talk about. You're the one assuming everyone here was watching since the Nixon administration. For example: I'm sure Jean Passanante is a nice person. I have long heard she is an exceptional breakdown writer. Many actors credit her with some of their greatest day to day material on certain soaps. That said, I watched her AMC run as HW. It was terrible. Her dreadful ATWT, GH, Y&R, OLTL etc. HW stints have all borne that impression out for me. Whatever the circumstances and BTS issues, some people are simply not suited for the big chair and bad is bad. And that's okay to say.

I first turned on ATWT in the late '90s. I saw Molly and Carly and their identical Indigo Girls haircuts caterwauling at each other like twins and I turned it off for another 2-5 years. YMMV. I suspect a lot of people here didn't start watching when you think they did. Nonetheless, they're allowed to critique the show they love. Which you've been told before.

Just swap T.J. for actual Tom Hardy Jr. and I'm good. T.J. and Molly need to finally go. As I mentioned I do think the hospital was fairly robust (if full of mediocre or bad characters) until very recently. I guess I forgot Terry too. But they still need more. The advantage of the canvas is there's always teens who can be put to work as candy stripers or volunteers/orderlies. And I keep forgetting Joss is pre-med, which I find very unlike her but never mind. This is where Emily Q should really be alive.

I'm still just wrapping my mind about what this may mean about the genre being revisited and reexamined as viable post-streaming crash, which I suspected might happen but did not know would lead to a new soap. Procter and Gamble. I still can't believe that.

In fairness there's a decent few: Portia, Elizabeth, Willow (ugh), Finn and T.J. I think that's all of them. It's just that the latter three are a total bust or nonentities. Fake Nurse Amy appeared the other day but doesn't count for me; Felix almost never appears and good riddance. The show has also lost Epiphany, Britt, Obrecht and Austin (neither a big loss IMO and I never liked Britt) and for all intents and purposes a regularly-appearing Monica over the last couple years.* It used to be fairly robust. I agree it needs to be replenished. Starting with Lucas. It seems PM wants to dispense with the umpteenth Jason back from the dead reveal as fast as possible and I don't blame him. I'm more into the why and how. (* - I guess Bobbie wouldn't count, as I don't recall if she was still working there at the end and she wasn't seen as much as the rest)

I'm sure some of these polls are legit. I'd never deny a lot of messaging work needs to be done. But we've also seen way too many polls weighted towards the GOP or just idiots from various outfits and then touted as gospel. I liked some of what Katie Porter did in the past but she should've known better than to go up against Adam Schiff, let alone how she's behaved since. Many moderates know and like Schiff. Her best move would be to lay low, rehab her image and not go further into the Nina Turner zone. We'll see if it works out but both of us have seen this story many times.

Don't open this wound further. 😩

Yeah, that's what I was discussing earlier in the thread some pages back. Glad I wasn't crazy for noticing them enduring for people in front of and behind the camera (and the networks) during strikes and the streamer implosion.

Research labs? Not the return of the Cincy Soap Hood! Real ones will know.