Everything posted by j swift
- Another World Discussion Thread
- Y&R: Old Articles
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Santa Barbara Discussion Thread
As a characterization, not necessarily as an actress, I prefer the earliest incarnation of Santana as played by Ava Lazar. From her appearance in the pilot in that wild costume, Santana could have been a viable alternative to Eden. Even though Eden was introduced with a "past in Europe" and, she slept with a pilot then parachuted from his plane, she was more earnest and buttoned-up around Cruz and CC. So, a nouveau riche, glamorous, sexy, party girl like Santana could have given Eden a run for her money. Having only seen the weepy/needy character choices of Gina Gallego, (and her awful portrayal of drug addiction and mental health crises), she never seemed like a real threat to the Eden/Cruz relationship and Mason's attraction to her eluded me. Upon rewatch, after the earthquake (around ep 100), many of the characters change personalities based on the quality of the performer. Gina takes on a lot of Santana's early traits, Warren becomes less manic and more romantic, and CC becomes even more imperious. Then, within two years, they're all recast or retired. Early Warren bullied Ted Capwell and was frantically hiding buried treasure. After the earthquake, Warren saves Ted, buys the newspaper, and becomes a nicer guy. The ongoing thread of Brandon as a Capwell, (even after the Brick reveal) saved Gina as a character and (I think) doomed Santana. Brandon had such an adorable relationship with Gina that if Santana tried to disrupt it, she would seem mean. In the first year, Gina gave up her pill addiction, cold turkey, to be with Brandon. Santana never made those sort of sacrifices as a mother without the threat of personal consequences. Given the dramatic choice between Gina and Santana, I prefer Gina and all that she brought to the table. Also, repeated references to Santana as the "daughter of the maid" would be out of place by the mid-1980s when soaps didn't want to deal with class issues. Finally, Victoria and Chip took up most of the slack as a spanner in the Eden/Cruz saga making Santana redundant. I agree, she could have been Lionel's sister, and Cassie was her daughter, and the whole thing would have made more sense as to why she was never concerned about Brick and his son. There needed to be Lockridge's, but I don't think they needed to only stick to the original Lockridge's. Cruz's family was always a legitimate foil to CC's wealth. Even with their wayward father and brother, the Castillo's loyalty was usually contrasted with the divisions caused by wealth in the Capwell Family. BTW - from Nick to Ric to Cassie, the number of characters that just disappeared off the canvas seems particular to Santa Barbara
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Any Capitol Fans Here?
Mark's shooting was such an excellent mystery! The umbrella stories are seamless during this period - From Thomas's experimental surgery on his then-unknown-father to Clarissa finding her dead husband to the wedding then the shooting, then the Jenny Diamond reveal - there was a part of the story for everyone and the pacing is great. All these years later, the visual reveal of Julie/Jenny shooting Mark still gives great shock value.
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Ryan's Hope Discussion Thread
I had a rather specific RH memory flash today that I'm hoping someone can validate. When Jill and Seneca divorced there were references to the fact that New York did not have "no-fault" divorce laws so they had to agree on whether to report adultery or mental cruelty. Jill got an interesting monologue about how the divorce laws inhibited women's civil rights. I did not follow RH during the SoapNet re-runs but I think it covered this period of the story. I would appreciate any references to Jill's speech.
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Another World Discussion Thread
Listening to Lemay's We Love Soaps Interview, he still seemed sassy and dogmatic in his opinions even 40 years after his memoir. His derision of Doug Marland's rules and his clapback about the context of actors not wanting to play gay characters in the 1970's were remarkable. In fact, it sounds like Marland rarely felt that he was wrong about anything. To reiterate my earlier point, he doesn't get enough credit for his honesty about working with actors, networks, and advertisers. I would argue that most of the fan supposition about how backstage politics affects the soaps, as well as a general awareness of how soaps change due to the headwriter comes from his memoir. Thus, he not only elevated the dialogue within soaps, but he also made soaps fans into a more sophisticated audience.
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DAYS: Behind the Scenes, Articles/Photos
Today I learned that Robyn, (ex-wife of Mike Horton and mother of Jeremy Horton), was the niece of Robert LeClare (ex-host at Doug's Place and father to Dougie/Charles). I had totally forgotten that Robert returned as part of Robyn's entry story (his son was in a French boarding school at the time of his visit to Salem). Which bar hosted Tom Horton's beat poetry?
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Another World Discussion Thread
Lots of historic families were phased out over the years - The Hobsons, The Delaneys, and The Perinis to name a few, somehow the phasing out of The Matthews meant more to soap history-files, but I agree that neither Jim nor Mary were particularly intriguing characters and if only Aunt Liz survived, they picked the strongest member of that team.
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Another World Discussion Thread
I wonder if Lemay's memoir is the first instance of a writer admitting that their relationship with the actors and production affected their plotlines? We take it for granted and even joke about the relationship between certain soap writers and their muses, but I don't know if any other soap writer's memoir was so directly introspective. Ken Corday's and Bill Bell's respective books were more of a timeline of events with some mildly juicy stories. Lemay actually admits that he left AW because the expansion to 60 minutes wore him out and left him bereft of ideas for further plots which seems revolutionary in a genre that recycles the same five head writers over and over.
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Another World Discussion Thread
Seven Years is a great memoir filled with funny anachronistic details. From his fascination with Sleasar's mimeograph machines to the economics of a pre-WGA writing staff, it is a great read. The stories of his early lunches with P&G executives and his phone calls with Ina are stuffed with sarcasm. Of course, others may have had alternative perspectives, but they didn't write dishy memoirs, so we're left with Lemay's version (Churchill quote - history is written by the victors).
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Closeted (gay) actors formerly on the soaps
We should add Y&R alums, Lachlan Buchanan and Peter Porte. Lachlan attended Peter's wedding in New Orleans last summer.
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Closeted (gay) actors formerly on the soaps
The point has been made before that the soap press has always been complicit in the "closeting" of actors. Many gay actors have commented that if a writer knew their sexuality then the magazine profile just would not focus on their dating life. Certainly, by the 1990s, productions were not actively suppressing stories about actors, more often it was a fan-driven press with a misguided effort to self-censor the topic. Not to go off on a tangent, - but - it is interesting that as a member of the gay soap audience, we've tolerated magazines profiting off of photos of shirtless soap hunks pretending that their only subscribers were female while often including insensitive remarks. In our review of the 1990 SOD Tumblr there have been numerous examples of humor derived from a misperception that sexuality is dependant upon binary gender roles that would (hopefully) make a modern reader cringe.
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Closeted (gay) actors formerly on the soaps
Maureen Garrett Kevin Spirtas Paul Anthony Stewart Michael Corbett All came out after their time on soaps
- GH: Classic Thread
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All My Children Tribute Thread
Not for nothing, but this wasn't the first time that Dr. Chuck found himself raising another man's child. I think Lil' Chuck also had a mortal scare under Chuck's watch. One hopes his specialty was neither OB/GYN nor Pediatrics. And who brings a baby to The Chateau? And why was it "The" Chateau and not "Le" Chateau (too European for those Pine Valley midwesterners)? And why didn't the Tylers hire a night nanny if he was a doctor and she was going to sing at the local cabaret? Chuck was not the brightest tool in the shed.
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Another World Discussion Thread
I'm reading the Classic Soaps recap of AW on Tumblr, they are at September 1982. It is interesting that Corrine Jacker's character of Louis St. George was so similar to Richard Soderberg's Carl Hutchins. Louis was Felicia's vaguely European ex-husband, scam artist, secret father of Cecile. Carl was Donna's vaguely European ex-husband, scam artist, secret father of Ryan. I didn't recall Louis as being menacing but reading about his scheme to sell stolen Nazi art through Rachel's gallery made me re-think that opinion.
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Guiding Light Discussion Thread
Does anyone else follow Fourrures's account on YouTube with soap clips of Women in Fur Coats? There are many clips posted each week and this week's post centered on Guiding Light. I have enjoyed the choice of clips, but I seem to be missing the point beyond that it is an amazing amount of fur coats. Is this account trying to communicate something about women in fur coats? Is it a media collection that just happens to center on women in fur coats? Any information about the intent of these posts would be appreciated, just for context. Also, (just for the trolls), let's avoid any political/moral/ethical/social or perverted discussions of fur coats in this thread.
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All My Children Tribute Thread
I was just thinking about all of the lost Courtland heirs. Andrew, the son of Cynthia, was adopted by Palmer because they had such a close bond. Then, he caused Alex Hunter to fall off of his horse, which led to a heart attack, which was judged as involuntary manslaughter, Andrew went off to jail, never to be heard from again. Ross, Palmer's unknown son, started off as a good guy and unfortunately wound up as a rapist. It seems like there was a period when various writers were trying to find Palmer a son. Just like the Quartermains have always had a daughter-like figure at GH, the Courtland's kept trying to give Palmer a younger guy with which to spar. Either Andrew or Ross could have been redeemed and would have been great partners for either Brooke or Erica.
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As The World Turns Discussion Thread
I understand the plot value in getting rid of Gunner. A part of the focus of the story was Ariel, so killing off Gunner moved her story forward. Also, Gunner was never going to be Barbara's "end-game" or the love of her life, so she needed to be free. Finally, being a rich orphaned teen made Dusty a perfect love object. However, Gunner and Burke played such similar roles in the story that they even died of similar diseases. Gunner was around for just under three years, so it was probably the end of Hugo's initial contract. So, I still wonder why were they both necessary to the plot as it was initially designed? And was it always the plan to kill them both? Was there critical backlash to Hugo's performance? Did ratings go down during the romantic story? It just seems like there were an unnecessary amount of Stenbeck heirs. Upon reflection, it strains credulity that James would be so concerned about the heir. He had already inherited his fortune legally, so no court could make him give it back. Gunner and James were both already successful in their respective legal and criminal businesses, so they wouldn't need additional income. Senior Stenbeck (who I always confuse with Brandon Spaulding) knew who was his legitimate heir when he wrote his will, and he could leave his money according to his wishes; regardless of legitimacy.
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As The World Turns Discussion Thread
I was wondering about Hugo Napier/Gunner today. The character's disease and death come out of left field, especially given Burke Donovan's mysterious brain disease earlier in the story. Hugo also left AMC, so I wonder if it was an actor or a character issue? I understand the plot value of having Dusty as an orphan, but both of his father figures (besides John Dixon) were gotten rid of rather quickly. Is there any scoop?
- Passions Discussion Thread
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Any Capitol Fans Here?
I need a memory refresh on Matt McCandless. I recall that at the end of the serial in 1987 it was resolved that Matt was a member of the Royal Family of Baraq. However, I also recall that Christopher Durham left in 1984, following the revelation that his blind girlfriend was the daughter of Natalie Wood's sister and Sam Clegg and he was paying for her eye treatment in Europe. So, did Matt return at the end or was he just mentioned? Why involve him at all if he wasn't on-screen?
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Passions Discussion Thread
I was just reading the Crane Family Wiki and it struck me that Passions came along at a particular point in internet fandom when everything was cataloged, but there was still a communication barrier between the audience and the productions, (in the age of Twitter no soap could have had that much rape). I remember a character who was heavily promoted by NBC daytime with photos of his long hair and string necklaces; only to disappear from Harmony, like so many of its townspeople (BTW my most vivid memories of Passions were those annual summer hunk photo sessions). For a soap whose fans recorded every episode with a summary, there were certainly a lot of loose ends. One last note: I really liked the way Reilly played with time on his soaps. He would stretch out stories until the audience wanted to scream, and then resolve things in one week or never at all. It felt like the pace was deliberate, and almost a meta-parody of the genre itself.
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Daily Hotness
Christopher Atkins has always been my number one hunk, but I've only recently begun to appreciate that he never wore underwear on-screen Blue Lagoon BTS screen shot Pirate Movie - final scene
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Y&R: Old Articles
Cady McClain was on TV Guidance Counselor podcast this week http://tvguidancecounselor.tumblr.com/ I've been trying to suppress my disdain, but I had to let it out. She mentions that Y&R was the least professional of the soap sets. She goes on to say that production banned cue cards a year before she started; which seems unlikely given that she was on within the past five years and no soap production could afford cue card writers since budgets were slashed decades ago. As soap fans, we've heard already this trope from other dissatisfied actors. It absolves them by suggesting that they learned their lines while shifting the blame onto their former co-stars. I can imagine that there are many frustrations of working with people who have been on the same set for 25 years, but Cady played Kelly like a maniac whether or not cue cards were present. She also mentions being a bad barista in a coffee shop after ATWT. So, unfortunately, she doesn't seem to have much of a plan B if her current documentary on female directors doesn't make more than Mary Poppins at the box office this weekend.