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It also appears as though the premiere of Tribes was pushed back five or six weeks from the 2nd part of January 1990 until the first week of March 1990 according to an LA Times article. The creator Leah Laiman lamented on that sudden change of premiere date because they wouldn't be able to make changes/corrections quickly because they would have too many of the episodes already filmed and in the can by the time the show debuted. It does explain why the last twenty to twenty five episodes of Tribes had a marked improvement and focused on the characters/stories that were making an impression on the viewers. Stacey Cox was the breakout character of the soap and I have a feeling had the show not been canceled suddenly that her character would have eventually become the lead character over her onscreen sister (the classic ingenure caught between two guys). The last five episodes shown/available on Youtube (episode 86 to 90) was heavily focused on the rape storyline involving Pete Sago and Stacey Cox. What made this story interesting was the fact that both characters had past history of lying. In fact, the lawyer discussion of having Pete's older sister take over guardianship was to ensure that his lies about being being a wealthy kid wouldn't be exposed in court.. while Stacey's past lies were coming back to haunt her and her on the run story with Daryl had definite summer teen possibilities. According to Michelle Stafford in an old interview, she had mentioned the story planned for her involve her getting involved with Melinda's ex Billy. The seeds were planted in earlier episodes where her character Frankie had made moves on Matt, which made Melinda jealous. So it made sense that Billy and Frankie would have interacted once the whole counterfeit money story arc had resolved. I remember being a child and watching the show. The story I remember most was the Mrs Robinson story between Chris and the older woman played by Janice Lynde. From looking at the Youtube channel, I remember seeing episode 64 when she removed her dress and stood in front of Chris. Episode 65 had a parental guidance advisory at the start of the episode, so my mom hit record on the VCR so it taped. After it taped, she watched the episode and I guess the two got hot and heavy in the episode so my mom wouldn't let me watch it. In these current times, that story was pushing the envelope since the character of Chris was under 18 and she was over 40 so I was surprised that the story was being done.. but seemed to quickly end without anyone really finding out about the two... I don't think.

I just watched the final episodes that were uploaded onto Youtube (episodes 86 to 90).. and unless the uploader mislabeled the episodes, I do think there 95 episodes for the entire series and not 90 episodes. Reason I say that is because I was a child when the show was on originally and I was home watching it in the summer, and I remember there were a week of episodes that aired in the Chicago area after the 90th episode before it was canceled. I think those episodes had to do with JoJo and his trying to impress a new girl.. and Stacy/Daryl still on the run.

I saw it one time back in the day when the WE (Women's Entertainment) network used to air 80s mini series. I didn't like nor dislike it.. but it was presented more as a historical romance though I'm sure in modern 2020s lenses would be considered a sexist movie.

I think the problem was that the show was too focused in the first week or two with the Dani/Bill/Hayley story.. and everything else was pushed to the side. So what we're getting in week 4 and 5 were things that should have been covered/discussed in the first week or two of the show (i.e. Vanessa/Doug gambling story, etc). With that said, I am a little bummed that Gregori Martin isn't on the writing staff since I tended to l like his breakdowns... and I dread Jamey G joining since I've read up on that individual and while he turns up the crazy.. it doesn't seem to be good crazy. The other thing that we have to remember is that no new soaps have been developed since 1999 with several soaps being canceled the late 00s/early 10s. So any sort of writing training programs were stopped and there was little to no chance of new writers being mentored in soap opera writing 101. And I heard this all the time from Victoria Rowell when she was on Y & R with the need of a black writer and she was correct in her assessment. I echo that, but instead of another black writer.. there needs to be a Gen Z/young millennial white writer as a script-writer. I know many a twenty something white male/female couplings.. and none of them act nor talk like Derek or Ashley

A decent breakdown from Ron Carlivati and a good script from Danielle Paige. I've felt that Paige's scripts have leaned more on the literary without always succeeding in adapting it to the soap opera realm. Today's episode from her was pretty good. Hayley/Derek 1:1 was a surprise and from what I learned... Hayley knew Ashley/Derek, but they knew Naomi longer then Hayley. I think the backstory was that Jacob and Derek were friends pre-Naomi/Ashley... and once the two couples came together, Hayley was slowly brought into the friendship mix. I'm glad that Bill wasn't faking his hand going numb and downplayed it for Naomi. This will come into play later on.. either at an event or during the actual court case. Good Chelsea/Bill and Naomi/Dani scenes. Dani was written as almost human and actually cares about someone other then herself. Shanice is the only bright spot in the Ashley/Derek/Andre story thus far. Vanessa/Joey do have chemistry.. and I wonder where things will go with them. I also wonder if next week will be their turn at taking a break from being featured at all. Thank gosh Silk Press Sheila will be back next week in some capacity. I'm hoping Dani will eventually take a week off so we can actually enjoy the other characters.

Josie was his daughter and Rachel was his ex-wife. So connections right there that the show could have mined.

I understood why the first week or two had high octane stories/scenes because they wanted to grab viewers and keep them coming back. However, the incessant focus on Dani/Hayley/Bill during that first week or two at the expense of developing the B, C, and backburner stories is kind of biting them in the butt. The biggest issue the show could run into in the long run will be pacing. Back in the day, soap operas had multiple plotlines going on at the same time and were going at different speeds. For instance, while Story A is climaxing, story B is in the build-up to the climax, story C is being formulated.. while the characters not involved directly in those three stories are recapping, having their characters being developed, and/or planting seeds for their next story. So far on this show, the pacing is all off. While we celebrated Ashley/Derek/Andre not being featured all of last week, we now are faced with other characters barely getting any focus this week (i.e. Silk Press Sheila, Smitty/Martin) or getting too much unneeded focus (i.e Dani). This week basically was a rinse and repeat with Dani/Bill, Hayley being snubbed, Dani/Andre hooking up, Chelsea/Dani, etc. All of the scenes I mentioned were already done before in the previous weeks and done better. This week, I would have had a Silk Press Sheila/Jan/Mona dinner.. and maybe Silk Press Sheila sees Kat or Nicole.. and tries to avoid being seen. Or perhaps Smitty's new assignment would involve Joey Armstrong and the potential corruption going on with the police department. Or we could have had a Hayley scene at the country club being snubbed again and she interacts with Diego... or sees Diego/Vanessa together. At the same time, I'm still watching and enjoying the process of seeing a new soap unfold and I remind myself that the soaps I saw debuting back in the day (Port Charles, Passions, Sunset Beach, and Generations) had shaky starts so I'll continue to watch with anticipation daily

I've actually liked it better the last week or two then I did the first week or so of the show. I do agree about the background music and how it can add to a scene. The link is an example of background music that ended a scene and/or episode. Days and Y & R used to be masters of background music to either start an episode or to end an episode. Today's episode did have some background music during the scenes at the country club with Vanessa and Nicole. I also think the final scene with Bill and Naomi would have been even better if there was a music queue as he realizes that his hand is numb with a concern Naomi looking on.

I guess the podcast has dropped featuring Michelle/Donna/Joan https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/were-knot-done-yet/id1805944598

This was a good episode: Nice 1:1 scenes with Nicole and Vanessa. About time we see this good friendship vibe play out since it was mentioned in the past they were good friends. Ted/Nicole do have some chemistry and I knew that Joey's mama had to be deceased especially when Joey had a brief look of 'Oh *hit' when Vanessa mentioned wanting to meet her to show her properties. Naomi/Bill/Caroline/Client scenes were pretty good and it made sense that Cheryl Davis was the script writer since they appear to be an attorney in real life. With Caroline and Shanice being back in action, when can we expert Mona to come back for an appearance. I'm hoping the last scene isn't a cop out. I could see Bill playing it off and convincing Naomi all is ok since he doesn't want to appear weak in front of his daughter. Hope MVJ can resist taking on the bad traits of her former boss at B & B.. although if she's bringing Jamey G onto the show as a breakdown writer.. maybe not.

Probably old school, but I think it's because the country club/social world is women's business that men stay out of. Dani is not a winner as a character

Not a bad episode, but not a great episode either. This would be more of a recap episode then an excellent episode. I like that we got the same script writer writing two episodes back to back, but you can see the differences in breakdown writers. What I liked: Vernon and Anita gave some good advice to Naomi, but am I bad for hoping she doesn't take the advice so that we can see the vindictive side of Bill come out? Then we can see some skeletons come of the Dupree closet if that side comes out Good flashback scene between Bill and Naomi. Without his influence, who knows what kind of hot mess Naomi would have been if she just had Dani's influence. Nice to see Caroline again and it's good that she's there for Hayley to bounce off of. The Joey twist makes sense because cops can sometimes use someone on the lower level of criminal activity in order to nab someone higher on the criminal activity food chain. I wonder if perhaps Doug/Vanessa will be caught up on this.. or if maybe it will turn out that Joey is being used to nab a Dupree (like Martin or Vernon.. for instance). What I didn't like: Dani is so one note and played by a one note actress. The difference between Erica Kane and Dani Dupree is that Erica was played by a likeable performer that makes you laugh while Dani is played by someone that doesn't seem to have that soft touch. I don't like Bill... but in the Bill/Dani marriage situation, I'm team Bill. I always support a man deciding to leave his wife, but I do wish they opted to leave before they actually cheat. Hayley believing Bill. She has potential as a character and I kind of wish that the show could show her actually working as a paralegal since I don't think her dream of being a lady of leisure will be happening at Fairview Crest. Ashley/Derek.

From the interview she gave in 1992, I think Beverlee was going to leave the show anyway once her contract expired in 1993.. she just happened to exercise a clause/loophole in her contract that let her leave the show a year early. Her final scenes in mid 1992 showed a remorseful Alex that realized that she had driven away everyone that she loved and cared for. She had scenes with HB, Vanessa, Henry, Nick, and I even think she had a final one with Fletcher before she left on her trip. I do wonder what the show would have done with her character had she not had the loophole/clause and she came back after her vacation was over. Would she have tried to push Nick/Eve together or tried to keep a distance and focus on Spaulding and trying to forge a new path forward.

He's a fox Maybe the gala will be held in the summer around Juneneeth? For sure the Eva/Silk Press Sheila plot will have to come to a head during May sweeps since Laura should be recovered and ready to resume her duties in the coming weeks. And also Silk Press Sheila has a different nickname that another forum uses... Alias (I assume because of her wigs and the lead character on Alias always wearing the fun wigs during secret missions). I had this weird thought about nurse Ashley and her backstory. According to what I read, Ashley's backstory involved her being raised by a single mother Jan.. and basically being left home alone everyday while her mother worked numerous jobs raising her. With that type of backstory, I would think a performer could be able to mine something for that to infuse into the character. So far, she hasn't been able to bring anything to the character.. and the audience is left mystified that she's been featured so much without any sort of personality/agency. Another thing is that since Ashley's father hasn't been mentioned, I'm wondering if it's going to be revealed that Joey is her father. It's been established that one of the jobs Ashley's mother Jan has is working for Vanessa/Doug at their house.. and perhaps Joey will one day become a guest of the McBrides and Jan sees him and freaks out.

I don't know why Dani doesn't open a boutique, or maybe use some space in the country club for a pop up store for some items (i.e. sportswear, shoes, etc)

A so so episode today, but Ron C was involved so no surprise it wasn't stellar. - Chelsea has a little bit of fire in her, didn't know the girl had it in her. - I wonder if the writers/producers benched Ashley/Derek/Andre for a week because they saw things weren't working in order to figure out how to fix it. There were subtle improvements, and elevating Shanice's airtime will only benefit the three. - Yesterday I was wondering about Laura, and today we got an answer that she's still in recovery and that Shanice doesn't seem too keen on Eva. Maybe have Eva/Ashley/Shanice in a scene... show us, don't tell us. - Dani/Bill = yawn. Dani is so one note and the writing isn't doing her any favors. As I said, not a bad episode.. but not a great episode either.

That would explain why the Mystery Movie format on ABC eventually did create fourth movie series called Christine Cromwell starring Jaclyn Smith.. since it looked like the network was interested in adding a female detective to the roster. I think it was a move done by MSW to ensure that Lansbury got her wish for a reduced work schedule. If you look like you're in demand, then your current employer will give you anything you want to ensure you stay.

Actually... I would like see both come out of retirement and at least do a guest spot on a sitcom or something.

In regards to the March 1982 episodes, this was a good way to cap off its run on CBS and kick-off a new era on NBC. And I wish straight men would also start wearing speedos since it was a nice sight to see In regards to the 1/30/1952 episode, I was surprised Jo's husband Keith was still alive at this point since I assumed he was killed off close to the debut of the show. His death looks to have happened during Feb 1952 since the early March 1952 shows Jo's in laws grieving Keith's death. Based on the 1/30/1952, it looks as though Irving V (creator of Edge of Night) was now head-writing.. and I can see why he eventually moved the show into a more crime ridden direction during his tenure working on the soap. This episode seemed to be carrying on threads established during Agnes Nixon's 13 week stint. It looked as though her concept of the soap was a domestic drama where Jo/Keith weren't exactly happily married with his mother causing issues between the two. I think Irving was smart to move the show in a different direction during his time writing it.

Calhoun, from what I understand, was an excellent Executive producer. ATWT changes in tone once he jumps over to GL and Caso takes over as EP.

In regards to Kim Lankford's states about James H and his choosing to leave thus leading to her being fired. I'm wondering if that was only told to her in order to shield themselves from blame. I wonder this because he had stated once that he was 'forcibly ejected' from the show when he was asked about whether his leaving was his decision or not. So he probably saw the writing on the wall, went to the show runners and basically was told that they had no place on the show going forward.. and then to save face, the showrunners told Kim that she was being cut because of James. It wouldn't be the first time that bosses lie to employees and pit them against one another.

It didn't feel like a Marland episode because the dialogue flowed better and I liked that mention was made that Ellen and Nancy weren't contemporaries unlike during the Marland era where it seemed as though the two were in the same generation. When Marland came on, all he really did was add Iva/Emma/Holden while adding Doug and Marsha to the already ongoing Frannie/Kevin/Marie story. I like that more 1985 episodes are coming out from before Marland's arrival that show that some of the things people raved about weren't generated/created by him.. but were elements he continued.

Decent breakdown from Gregori M (I'm not familiar with their past work) and decent script from Danielle P. This means tomorrow will be Ron C as breakdown writer and Lynn Martin as script-writer. Their past collabs have been sort of lackluster, but third time is the charm. What I liked about today: - Nurse Shanice adding that extra touch that was missed last week. - Some good family moments with Dani/Nicole/Andre. - Chelsea finally taking a stand with her mom. It seems as though Bill handled raising Naomi while Dani focused on Chelsea... and Chelsea is feeling suffocated by her mother. Those brief snippets of Chelsea with the guy and his partner showed a different side to Chelsea and I have a feeling that this partly stems from being suffocated by Dani. - Vanessa and Joey have mad chemistry. I also like that Vanessa has been toned down and is less flighty then she was in her first appearance. What I didn't like today - Ashley/Andre merry go round is back. I did like that Ashley was mostly used sparingly and got some brief scenes with Dani, Nicole, Ted, and Shanice. @Mona Kane CroftI do agree that there is no character for Jen Jacobs to play.. but that means that the actor/actress needed to flesh out the character and then the writers can go from there. Since Ashley knows Dani then it means that she also knows/knew Hayley so a brief scene between them would help bring some conflict to Ashley that doesn't involve Andre or firefighter guy. Did Ashley choose Naomi because she was also mad at Hayley, or did she pick Naomi because she didn't want to feel the wrath of the Duprees that Hayley has been getting. - Eva vs Kat was so fleeting, but I hope that Kat backing off is just until she gets some proof and not because she wants to get into Tomas' pants. - I wonder if the actor that plays Tomas has gotten Botox because his face doesn't move... though it is a beautiful face. Lastly, the actor that plays the firefighter has starred in some Hallmark Channel movies and it shows in his acting. Acting on a soap opera is vastly different then acting in a Hallmark Channel movie. Both are particular styles, but you can't use them on the other. Bill could be the Victor Newman of this show.

Maisie was too blue collar/salt of the earth with limited storyline potential hence why she was killed off. Quinn was a beautiful and confident black woman that was disposed of because this was a period where the writers seemed incapable of writing for a mature black woman. Quite frankly, Quinn could have been tested with the other male characters that were on at the time like Michael, Mac, etc to see where she fit.

Unpopular opinion, but I supported Billy being told about Mindy's affair with Roger. Maybe Alex shouldn't have been the person to tell him, but it needed to be revealed because Mindy took delight in sleeping with Roger and being disrespectful to Alex during the early months of the affair. Had Mindy did the logical thing and kept her distance from Nick.. then none of that would have happen. She only had herself to blame.