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21 hours ago, DramatistDreamer said:

Perhaps he should've been considered for a HW gig at Y&R but clearly he's moved onto greener pastures.  Congratulations to Sri Rao.

 

https://variety.com/2019/digital/asia/bollywood-madhuri-dixit-netflix-acting-debut-1203429372/

 

 

I've long thought the roles Madhuri Dixit used to play in the Bollywood films of the 90s had lots of similarities to the great soap opera heroines of roughly the same period, so it will be interesting to see how this Netflix series goes with Sri Rao. I wonder if he's of the same opinion.

7 hours ago, AbcNbc247 said:

Why does SOD have an obsession with baby switch storylines?

 

Pretty much every year a soap did a baby switch, they named it Best Story

 

Yes, I see from the 2016 list the baby switch on Y&R was named Best Story

20 minutes ago, vetsoapfan said:

 

I'd be the new Nina Laemmle of daytime TV, axing characters left, right and center, bwahahahahahahahahahaha!

 

(The only difference is, I would understand the show I took over, and would only write out characters who did not belong on it in the first place.)

 

Vote for VETSOAPFAN to take over the writing reigns of GH! Or DAYS! Or Y&R! 

 

I seriously could not do worse than the "writers" we have on the soaps now. 

 

I had a thought to myself earlier that it would be somewhat ironic if a whole bunch of characters - mainly non-medical - were killed off in some kind of disaster, followed up by some sort of inquiry establishing that one of the reasons so many people died was because GH had chronic staff shortages.

I've been remiss in not mentioning this sooner but Nancy Brunning who was an original cast member passed away last month aged 48.

 

Nancy played nurse Jaki Manu for just under two years (1992 - 1994).

 

Jaki's storylines included an HIV scare after pricking herself with a needle, a relationship with the husband of a terminally ill patient (permitted by the wife as she wanted her husband to have someone after she died, but ultimately it didn't work out), and finally finding happiness with her cricketer ex-boyfriend. The character of Jaki (along with Temuera Morrison's Hone) was also a trailblazer in terms of Maori representation on NZ TV.

 

After leaving the show, Nancy went on to have a distinguished career in NZ film and theatre.

 

https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/celebrities/117556101/the-mana-of-nancy-brunning

2 hours ago, pdm1974 said:

I can't get on the Ben and Ciara pairing. I don't care about their "chemistry." It makes her look like an idiot. The man is a serial killer! You don't "recover" from that. If they HAD to keep the actor, they could have just made him Ben's tortured twin.

It's like if back in the 80s Jake Kositchek survived and after a year or so in prison they then tried to pair him off with Hope.

On 12/4/2019 at 3:40 PM, DramatistDreamer said:

At random, I came across this interesting interview with Jennifer Gatti where she mentions a bit about how she got cast to play Keesha as well as some interesting thoughts on acting on a soap opera.

 

Interview: Jennifer Gatti on Bon Jovi, Star Trek, and Leaving L.A.

 

"...And I think I died faster than they wanted me to because I had booked a television pilot, and they were concerned that I may not be available to work on the show much longer."

 

Interesting that she says that, I did think that the Keesha storyline developed and played out at a quicker pace than other storylines on Y&R at the time.

 

5 hours ago, YRfan23 said:

A few more Y&R/B&B has been added on this page. ( the 1990 dates are ones I already have posted btw)

https://archive.org/details/@vhsftw628

the 9/18/96 episode has the mysterious Patty shout out with Mary and Christine looking at old pictures of her in the family album. 

 

I've always thought that the Patty mentions during this time were there because they were re-introducing Diane and wanted to remind long-time viewers of the rivalry.

Well Phoenix is definitely showing he hasn't grown up at all in the past six years.

 

I'm liking the new business minded Bella, but am suspicious this is going to turn into another Boyd against big-pharma type storyline like Fentich three years ago.

@DramatistDreamer @Khan

 

From memory, as part of the dedication they replayed one of her singing scenes at the end of an episode - further research suggests this episode aired in the US on January 18, 1999 (Originally scheduled for the 15th but pre-empted due to coverage of President Clinton's impeachment trial).

 

Michelle Thomas had taken medical leave and the temporary recast - Siena Goines apparently began airing on Dec 22, 1998, coincidentally the day before Michelle Thomas passed. Siena Goines was made permanent and played the role for another year or so.

 

This page has some more information about the circumstances, including some controversy about the delay in showing a dedication for Michelle Thomas (basically Y&R was on a production break for Christmas/New Year when news of her passing came out, so it was several weeks before they could acknowledge her passing as they needed to find a suitable episode running short that they could fit the dedication segment in).

 

http://michellethomas.faithweb.com/

 

Some spoilerish news:

 

 

https://www.backtothebay.net/news/2019/11/25/home-and-away-2020-spoilers-a-new-family-set-to-make-waves/

And the second return is...

 

 

 

8 hours ago, te. said:

 

I agree that at least Bill, Laura and Mike should've been a part of the show to create some flow between the second, third and fourth generation of Hortons. I'm not sure why they've been so insistent on having such broken family trees, but to be honest it seems like an issue that can be dated back to the 80s.

 Possibly can be dated to the so called "Valentines Day massacre" of 1980 when 14 characters were let go, including Bill and Laura and Mike's first wife Margo

6 hours ago, te. said:

 

Thank you for pin-pointing this, because that's exactly it. They've consistently written out a generation, then kept one and then skipped another one (or two) and then moved on to the next one, which creates no real flow or understanding of the family ties on the show. I think Bill and Laura should at least have been in town for the past two decades and not written off as an example.

 

And Mike Horton (even if keeping him meant several more recasts in addition to the many we already had) should have also spent most of the 80s and 90s siring children left, right and center so that the show would have had a new generation of Horton siblings to keep the family relevant without having to continually pull in long-lost cousins from the Horton family Christmas tree.

2 hours ago, titan1978 said:

What tptb forget is that during Reilly’s first stint, all the outlandish stuff was rooted in romance, which had been the foundation of this show since the 1980’s.  Every crazy story was written around a love triangle or quad, or a family dynamic gone wrong (Vivian/Carly, Sami/Carrie).  And he paced everything almost like a Bell soap, certainly like a more traditional soap.

 

Marlena possessed was ultimately about Stefano’s obsession with her, her family issues, and her love of John.  All very relatable soap stories.

 

Even Kate/Victor/Vivian was a triangle of sorts. Carly buried alive was about Vivian hating her due to her family.

 

I am not saying I loved all his work.  But since his first stint, the outlandish has little to no foundation except crazy.  And Ron without limits is just a cartoon.

 

Yes, I've often thought the same of Reilly's original tenure.

 

Further to this, it also helped that the show's canvas was relatively tight, that the triangles/quads were mostly stable (though of course there were a few changes here and there) and the slow pacing meant there wasn't an excessive amount of flip-flopping back and forth (once someone changed partners they would usually commit to that person for a lengthy amount of time, even if still pining for someone else). This drove stories for several years -  though Reilly was always a little too fond of fake-outs and flashbacks, meaning that the pacing wasn't quite as natural as it was on the Bell soaps.

 

While the characters themselves were a bit dumbed-down and only had simple motivations (John loves Marlena but also wants to be loyal to Kristen, Jack wants Jennifer back, Lexi wants to find her real parents etc etc), the show's narrative remained quite coherent. Even the more absurd plot twists felt like natural progressions in the story.

 

 

5 hours ago, beebs said:

They need to go back to, and stick with, him being Forrest Alamain by blood and leave it. Vivian had a DNA test done, and if anyone's gonna f*** with a DNA test, it's gonna be Vivian, and she didn't. So any retcons after that are dumb, IMO.
 

 

I remember that, that was when I found out DNA samples could be done with hair lol

4 minutes ago, AbcNbc247 said:

Yes, it makes sense. Thank you. 

 

I think I was just explaining it the way that I explain my own family. (I've always considered my mom's first cousin, my second cousin and so on)

Fair enough really

 

Anyway, I think this does somewhat prove the point that @edgeofnik was making about Days' family trees being a bit convoluted.

 

 

8 minutes ago, AbcNbc247 said:

Julie and Jennifer are first cousins, so doesn't make Abigail and Julie second cousins? Meaning that David is Abigail's third cousin, and Eli is her fourth?

 

The family dynamics have always been confusing lol.

 

@AbcNbc247 Yes, I agree - it is very confusing lol. It does actually make me wonder if this is one of the reasons why past HWs have avoided introducing or re-introducing characters from particular branches of the Horton family tree.

 

But basically in regards to Abigail and Eli it goes like this:

 

Abigail is Julie's first cousin once removed, since Abigail's mother Jennifer is Julie's first cousin and Abigail is thus a generation removed from Julie. The common ancestors that they share (Tom and Alice) were Abigail's great-grandparents and Julie's grandparents respectively.

 

Since their mothers are first cousins, David and Abigail are thus second cousins. Their common ancestors, Tom and Alice were great-grandparents to both.

 

Eli is thus Abigail's second cousin once removed as he is the son of Abigail's second cousin and is one generation removed from Abigail. Tom and Alice were Eli's great-great grandparents and Abigail's great-grandparents.

 

Eli is third cousins with Abigail's children. Tom and Alice would have been their great-great grandparents.

 

Fourth cousins is when the common ancestor is the great-great-great grandparents.

 

I hope that makes sense

35 minutes ago, AbcNbc247 said:

Yeah. He's her fourth cousin, I think. And I don't like the way he's treating her either. How dare Abigail have a private conversation with her husband lol it's ridiculous.

 

That's why I'm kind of hoping that he's just pretending and that he knows all about Gabi's schemes.

@AbcNbc247 @edgeofnikActually they're second cousins once removed

 

Julie and Jennifer are first cousins, making David and Abigail second cousins and thus Eli is a generation removed from Abigail. Thomas and Charlotte are Eli's third cousins.

 

Incidentally, Arianna is also Eli's third cousin (since Will is Abigail's first cousin and Jennifer's nephew). So if Eli marries Gabi he'd be stepfather to his own third cousin...though obviously that in itself shouldn't bother anyone as Julie is already stepmother to Hope - her half sister lol

 

@AdamNewmanFan  I can't say for certain as I'm in New Zealand and there is a slight chance they were originally cut out from our broadcasts, but I definitely first started seeing them during the era of the more jazzy version of Nadia's theme (late 90s, early 00s).

@YRfan23 That would have been much better than that twin thing Ashley ended up in with Blade and Rick.

@DRW50 Yeah Jack has now gone, not too surprising as the average stint on the show would be about three to four years but Jack lasted five. Plus they'd already written out the rest of the Hannahs.

 

Jack and Lincoln was another storyline affected by rushed pacing, their relationship and the triangle with Nicole always felt forced.

 

Jack and Matiu had real chemistry but again, it was only a few weeks before they were written out.

@Adamski A lot of people hate Kylie's storyline, but I quite like it. Its been going on all year but the pacing feels right which is a change from the pacing on some of the other stories (King Family dramas, Zara's brief flirtation with bisexuality). And it's given Kerry-Lee Dewing something different to do.

@ironlion

 

The clips with Dru, Malcolm and Christel Khalil's Lily took place first in 2005. In those clips we see them with a paternity test that says that Malcolm isn't Lily's father. But Phyllis was already suspicious and learned that there were two tests.

 

Jump forward a year or so to your clip. Here Davetta Sherwood's Lily has eavesdropped on Phyllis and Dru and learned that Malcolm was her father after all.

 

(Christel Khalil later returned to playing Lily later on in 2006)

@DramatistDreamer Yes, Erin Doherty as Princess Anne was quite the find. Best character of the season IMO.

 

I'll put this in spoiler tags just in case there's anyone who doesn't know about the following historical events or who has not completed the season (plus I've added my own speculation on what the first episode of season 4 could be):

 

 

No worries @Adamski, here's 2019:

 

Ali walked in on Kylie and Dylan and attempted to resuscitate Dylan but Dylan died. Ali later realised that Kylie had killed Dylan but then promptly forgot due to memory loss caused by his brain tumour.

 

Kate found Denise's money and blaming Denise for Mo's death, decided to keep it for herself. Kate also found out she was pregnant with Mo's baby.

 

Claire was suspected of killing her rapist Ian Reid, but Kylie provided her with an alibi. Later Jack (who recovered from the plane crash), Claire and Lincoln called off the surrogacy agreement when Nicole announced she was pregnant with Lincoln's child and wanted Jack and Lincoln to raise the baby. Leanne was furious and attempted to convince her daughter not to give her child up.

 

Te Rongopai began investigating a pharmaceuticals company for faulty IUDs. The Pharma company's lawyer Kelly-Anne turned out to be Damo's sister and briefly dated Boyd for a while.

 

Hawks turned up again after having broken up with Sass. Hawks began seeing Esther and also suffered from issues caused by his amputation. Hawks and Esther eventually broke up and Hawks left town.

 

Kylie began acting passive-aggressively, by undermining Nicole, taking her job and getting Kate offside - though she did help Blue when he decided that he wasn't ready to have Top surgery. Kylie also slept with Lincoln's brother Prince. Later on Kylie killed her former school teacher after learning he'd killed his wife. Ali soon started to remember what happened the night Dylan died. Kylie prepared to kill Ali, but couldn't go through with it. Ali died of the brain tumour soon afterwards, leaving Dawn devastated. Dawn relinquished custody of Ali's daughter Lucy to his mother.

 

Natalie returned to investigate the mysterious deaths of Ian Reid and the teacher. She began dating Boyd to garner information about Kylie. Soon after Natalie learned that Boyd was still in contact with Eve and tried to convince him to turn her in. Boyd was willing to along with the plan, but at the last minute changed his mind. Boyd and Natalie broke up.

 

Lincoln started using meth again and was arrested at the same time that Nicole went into premature labour with their daughter Kiri. By the time Lincoln was released, it was too late: Kiri had passed away. A guilt stricken Lincoln fled town, leaving Jack and Nicole to mourn the loss of the child.

 

After Ali's death, Dawn grew close to Jean King, an elderly patient with dementia. Dawn contacted Jean's family and Jean's son Ben, his wife Cece and their two children Louis (actually Cece's stepson) and Sophia came to Ferndale. Ben, a doctor, and Cece, a social worker, got jobs at the hospital. Sophia was a pyromaniac and burned down the room at the retirement home that Jean was supposed to move into.

 

Drew was jealous when Harper's ex Ross turned up. Ross worked at the hospital for a few weeks and then left.

 

Chris was impressed by the lifesaving actions of a lady taxi driver Zara Mandal, and helped her to get registered to practice in NZ after learning that Zara was a heart surgeon back in India. Zara's daughter Rani soon joined her and became friends with Sophia. Zara briefly dated both Boyd and Nicole.

 

Kylie confessed to TK that she had killed Dylan and possibly Ian Reid. The two slept together even though TK was with Te Rongopai. Te Rongopai was suspicious of Kylie and tried to find out if Kylie was a murderer, but Kylie managed to destroy her credibility. Later Te Rongopai learned that her ex husband had cancer and left town with her daughter.

 

Leanne confessed to Nicole and Damo that she had had a son whom she gave up for adoption. Nicole and Damo tracked him down. Now Leanne had another son, Eddie to obsess about. Meanwhile, Prince's ex Angel started working at reception and did not get along with Leanne. Angel started dating Eddie but the two almost broke up when Eddie slept with a still grieving Dawn. Later Angel and Eddie reconciled and helped him organise a music festival with money invested by Leanne. It predictably turned into Ferndale's version of the Fyre Festival when Eddie's business partners ran off with the money and all the acts cancelled. Eddie had a nervous breakdown and left Angel to deal with the riotous festival-goers. Nicole later figured out that Eddie was Bi-polar.

 

Ben and Esther grew closer after the helped rescue a kidnapped baby which brought back issues for Ben. After Ben's mother, Jean committed suicide, Ben turned to Esther for support and the two started kissing. The next day, Esther revealed to Kylie that she'd changed her mind once they got to the bedroom but Ben hadn't stopped when she said no. Kylie convinced Esther to press charges. Ben denied raping Esther but it was evident Cece believed her because Ben had been forceful with her when they had first gotten together. The police declined to pursue the matter due to lack of evidence and an enraged Sophia torched Esther's car, leading to her being committed to a psychiatric ward. Ben later realised that Esther's version of events was true and apologised, offering to quit his job at Shortland Street if necessary. Accepting that Ben was now remorseful, Esther decided to put the matter behind her and allowed Ben to continue working at the hospital.

 

Kate and Chris got back together, but their reunion was interrupted by the arrival of Zoe, who correctly guessed that Chris and Kate didn't love each other anymore. The gangsters came back for the money Denise had been hiding and caused Kate to go into labour. After giving birth to a boy, Kate handed over the money to the police, ended things with Chris and left town with Zoe.

 

Jack had a new love interest Matiu (played by Amelia Reid's real life husband) and was not put off when Matiu revealed he was HIV positive. Later Margaret returned and revealed she had cancer. Matiu offered to help care for Margaret so that Jack could continue with his medical studies. The three moved away from Ferndale.

 

Boyd's blackmailer from the year before turned out to be Deb, the drug addicted nurse whom Eve had framed for murser in 2017. Kylie felt threatened by Deb and threatened her. Deb eventually found a job somewhere else.

 

Dylan's twin brother Daniel returned after trying to kill himself in a car accident. Kylie felt guilty and began nursing Daniel. Eventually Kylie told TK she loved Daniel. The two soon got married. Soon afterwards, Kylie became obsessed with a reverend and his pregnant wife. The wife died in childbirth and the reverend offered to let Kylie and Daniel adopt the premature baby who was still in NICU. Then a mad bomber announced they had put a bomb in the hospital. Kylie found the bomb in NICU and decided to blow herself up but the bomb didn't work. Kylie was admitted to a mental hospital and Daniel left her after learning she had killed Dylan. Kylie was then given electro-shock therapy and conveniently forgot the past year. Frustrated that she couldn't get Kylie, Natalie planted evidence that suggested Kylie had killed Ian Reid. However, Claire confessed to killing Ian Reid and Kylie was freed. Later, Kylie treated her psychiatrist at the hospital after he was beaten up by an obsessed patient. The patient had hacked into Kylie's files and mentioned the school teacher, which unnerved Kylie.

 

Zara's ex husband turned up and entered into a dodgy deal with Chris that gave him control over the hospital. Later Zara found out and managed to blackmail her brother-in-law for information so she could buy her ex-husband's share of the hospital. Zara and Chris also started a relationship.

 

Prince and Dawn grew closer, but Dawn announced she wanted to have Ali's baby with leftover frozen sperm (which she later changed her mind about). Angel and Prince got back together and got engaged. But Angel called it off after learning Prince kissed Dawn. Meanwhile Leanne left town with Eddie's father and Damo got together with Angel's mother Desi. Damo was also shot at one point and was the recipient of a live donor liver transplant from Drew. Harper also had her own medical issues when she had a tapeworm in her brain.

 

Louis learned that he had a twin brother Tommy and that his biological mother Vanessa had driven into a lake with him and Tommy while suffering from post-natal depression, resulting in Tommy's death. A well meaning Sophia contacted Vanessa, who revealed that she had discovered Ben and Cece were having an affair and that's what drove her psychotic breakdown. Louis left home for a while and stayed with Harper and Drew.

 

Louis started sleeping with Boyd's niece Shereez. After the mad bomber blew up a bomb near the school, Louis declared that he liked another girl. Shereez discovered she was pregnant, but had an abortion after Boyd refused to adopt the baby.

 

Sophia developed a crush on Blue, but Ben figured out that he was Blue's father since he and Kate had once hooked up. Sophia attempted to continue a relationship with Blue, but Blue rejected her. Kate came back to sort out this drama and made a pass at Chris, but Chris was committed to Zara. Blue eventually left to go overseas.

 

Louis had a surfing accident and was left paralysed.

 

Eddie and Esther started a relationship, and within weeks Esther learned she was pregnant.

 

Tim, Nicole's incel paramedic stalker from the year before, came back to Ferndale. At Eddie's urging, Nicole agreed to give him a chance since Tim said he had changed. Tim started dating Shereez, and while on a date, Tim risked his life to save a man who turned out to be the bomber. However it turns out that Tim is in league with the bomber.