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Welcome back @Maxim and thanks for the great writeup and clip. They really did have it out for Sarah or for Grace Philips anyway. She probably deserved better, but the character never should have been brought back or should have just returned long enough for Megan's death then she and Bo realized they'd both moved on. The scene with Cassie and Bo is very interesting. He's very patronizing toward her, calling her "kid" and telling her that she can be fine now because she was never going to be good enough anyway. I think it underscores the age gap between them which the writing otherwise did not address, IIRC. The scene also helps clarify Andrew/Cassie for me. I do think Cassie loved Andrew, but something has always felt a little rushed about their relationship, and a little performative on Cassie's part. We see here how much of the relationship is built on Cassie's insecurities and just wanting to actually be wanted by a man, especially a saintly man who would not do to her what Bo did.

Thanks @Xanthe TV by Day did run a while so I got that wrong, but at least the interview is still with us, even if it's not the one being mentioned.

It hasn't. They did put up an old clip of her.

Thanks!

Mack lost all humor and just became constant judgment. And I never forgave him for making Laura's death all about himself. The Jason story in season 12 was his best in years. Karen I just found to be ossified by this point and really missing anyone who could balance her out. You're right that they did will they/won't they too often with Greg and Paige. The show likely knew if they got together, they'd never stay together. A young male rival or son for him would have been interesting.

Yes. I have a special disdain for the pundits and centrists in the press who insisted they would never get rid of the ACA because the public had gotten used to it. The GOP and Trump don't care about that (the same reason they will also ban gay marriage within the next few years). They want to destroy everything tied to Obama or to any progress. They hate this country, they hate us, they hate each other. They only want death and despair.

No problem. There are a few others too that are up in parts elsewhere. I was surprised as I thought the show only ran two episodes for some reason. Hopefully they'll be put up in full on that channel.

He would have been good as Richard, I agree, if a little old for the Cassie pairing. He would have made sense with Reva. You're right, but I do wish they'd gotten to live on a little longer through ATWT and GL. Irna did love crossovers. I know the idea is they took time away from vets, but it's not as if vets were dominant by this time anyway. As Penny said in her 1998 visit - "Who ARE these people?"

All of this became inevitable when Trump won and voters gave Republicans the Senate and the House. This is what a majority of the public wanted. They were warned, again and again. This is the end result. They can't blame anyone but themselves. It's not both sides bad. It's Republicans and the cult who loves them. They have sent us all to hell and they don't deserve a free pass. No more centrist equivocation.

These are up in parts but I don't think they were in full.

Thanks. I'd imagine Peggy. She would have been a strong Peggy.

Love Maree. She's an inspiration to us all in work ethic. The nun comparison photo is neat.

I thought Cass was alright. I wouldn't have minded seeing him more often. He never quite felt like himself on ATWT but then he wouldn't. I'm sure Stephen would work on soaps if asked. He's been on DAYS a few times this year and last year.

It would stand out for me more if there were other romances burning up GH, but it's a show-wide problem. I think they will eventually put him back with Willow anyway. Hopefully Maurice will show up. Honestly, I'm surprised they've gone on as long as they have with "dark Drew."

This reminds me of how much the Will/EJ stuff annoyed me at the time. It felt very cynical because they could have winking and nodding they knew would never go anywhere, using it as an excuse to rush through Will exploring his sexuality. This, and how much I disliked the contrivance of trying to recreate Sami seeing John/Marlena having sex in him finding EJ/Sami (imagine if that story had just amounted to Sami shouting "whore" to Marlena 50 times), are probably why I don't have the nostalgia for that era of Will I know many do. (there was also the choice to have such a passionate sex scene for Gabi and Will after his coming out, which made me wonder how many at the show regretted the gay storyline, although they did know it was too late to go back [and bisexual men do not exist on American soaps])

Oh it may be. Sorry - it's all a muddle today.

I remember that. I think I may have scanned it, although the photos are likely dead now. It was one of those short-lived magazines. My scans are on an old computer but I will try to find them eventually (if someone else has them - thanks!) @j swift Thank you for sharing that link. I wouldn't be surprised if that is the same interview, just haven't listened to most of it.

This has never really been a country which has sustained more than two parties. There's nothing which can be adapted. The media and the GOP will tell you of a "national divorce," but that will just be a buzzword for their plans to have the military take over everything. Most of the people who say they want to go third party will just end up supporting Republicans anyway. Most Libertarians do and so do most Greens. It's a sham and a lie.

That would have been a great rivalry. They got so much wrong with Olivia in her adult years. They also never figured out how to bring in any male characters in that age range.

It was the opposite for me. I thought he was more layered on GL than ATWT, in spite of this early material. I just never saw him as anything but slimy on ATWT, because at least GL could call Ben out at times. We were always meant to see his Craig as in the right. They destroyed a long-established character for Sheffer's masculinity issues. I never thought he had any chemistry with his co-stars on ATWT either. And the attempts at playing out grief or any emotion beyond smugness... He may have been better with Cady. By that point I was on a long break.

I don't think Greg/Paige was on the same level as JR/Cally. Cally was presented as very naive whereas Paige gave as good as she got. Greg also never seemed as abusive in his relationships, at least to me. I didn't really care about Mack because Mack was unwatchable by that time, and Greg never knew her before he thought she was his daughter for about two minutes. I wasn't a fan of Greg/Paige either, but they, and Paige's airtime, were not really an issue for me in those last seasons. So much of the show was cycling around extremely spent characters (Karen, Val, Gary) and a parade of failed new hires. Paige and Linda scheming at Sumner was more entertaining to me. I will say I thought the Paige and DIRTY COP story was dull, but I blame that on him.

I don't think there is anything beyond wanting to make Trump and the GOP squirm on an issue they clearly loathe dealing with. As you said, the cultists will still not change their mind, but it's the only offense the party has. I'm surprised it's even been as effective as it has, to be honest. I imagine that effectiveness is now over. I am just not sure if it is ever going to happen. And one of the reasons is because many on the left who go on TV and social media to say they want "the revolution" are very privileged. They are trust fund babies. They have huge podcasts. They pose in front of their luxury cars, like that wretched Hasan Piker the press keeps insisting is the way of the future. They want posturing about the evils of capitalism, but they are content with what they have now. Look at Susan Sarandon, who wanted Trump in for the revolution. Where is she now? Doing a play in London. She doesn't give a damn about what people are going through. Why should she? She got what she wanted. One of the other reasons it won't happen is because the people on the left who call for this prefer Trump and Republicans. They wrote puff pieces about how funny and tough Trump was for going against the elites. They gushed about how they love all the nicknames Trump has for Mamdani. They promoted him as being sure to save Gaza, unlike Harris, because he wants to be seen as "strong." They berated Democrats for protesting cuts to USAID and the federal government. They can't say enough good things about the likes of Josh Hawley and Tulsi Gabbard, berating Democrats for not voting to confirm her. In the nonexistent chance socialism ever had any power in this country, they would immediately team up with Tucker Carlson, David Duke, and whoever else they can find. That's one of the reasons many of them have such disgust for black Americans, Jewish Americans, lgbt Americans, etc aside from some tokens who are there to remind us how terrible all the others are. They fantasize about the red-brown future we would have if only "libs" were gone and they could teach a white supremacist sect in Idaho about the power of praxis and mutual aid. I'm not even sure who in the Senate would be an improvement on Schumer. Pelosi was nudged out in part because people wanted a fresh voice, but Jeffries has not been overly effective. Schumer is not as strong as Pelosi was, and he's also terrible in media hits, but the only real difference I see in Schumer and most of the people who would replace him is he's more open about congeniality instead of putting on a mask. Spanberger and Sherrill were both from the same wing of the party which many who go on about the evils of Democrats deride, and they spent the whole campaign saying both ladies would lose or barely win (then tried to give credit for their wins to Mamdani). There are many rank and file Democrats who were disgusted by ending the shutdown, but I don't really know what else could have been done. Trump's poll numbers might go back up now, but they are always going to because the media lives for him and I think the majority of this country is cruel, ignorant and bigoted. The public might go back to supporting Republicans in Congress again, but that was also inevitable. The ACA is probably dead, which is horrible, but that was also going to happen no matter what. That's what the public wanted. The "best" scenario we have on deck is Republicans narrowly losing one or both houses of Congress and a Democrat narrowly winning the White House, then getting blamed for everything, so that Republicans can come back in and finish cementing their permanent stranglehold on power This is what the public wants. As they love to say, "I voted for this!" I don't see that ever changing. I just hope anyone who can safely leave the country does so while they still can.

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