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#21 y&r_fan

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 06:42 PM

I was okay with Brad dying, partly because of how ruined and irrelevant the character had become and partly because it resulted in Diamont getting a much better role on B&B.

Colleen's death OTOH was completely unnecessary, unbelievable and an obvious act of spite on MAB's part.
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#22 frequentsoapfan

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 06:51 PM

I think legacy character is a meaningless term these days, but I do hate the deaths of characters who could have been far more, and deaths for no apparent reason. For instance, Chucky Shea on ATWT. This seemed to have zero story purpose and robbed Lisa of more story potential beyond fretting over Tom.

ITA and everyone seems to have different opinions for who should be claimed as legacy characters. One minute it's everyone born on the show, the enxt it's the children of vets unless the children are characters born to vets they don't care about,etc. 

 

There have been alot of pointless deaths in recent years and most didn't even garner any shock value ratings.


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#23 full hearts

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 08:24 PM

I am the one who brought it up on the Y&R thread. I am glad that you created a thread on it. It really irks me is when they kill off the younger legacy children who have so much story potential. The deaths that made me angry over the years were:

 

Bryant Montgomery, ATWT
Georgie Jones, GH

Ben Reade, GL

Colleen Carlton, Y&R

Phoebe Forrester, B&B

Emily Quartermaine, GH

Laura Cudahy, AMC

Ricky Williams, Y&R.

Cassie Newman, Y&R

 

Laura and Cassie are the only legacy children whose deaths that I have felt actually served their shows well in the long run. All the rest were a waste and the shows were the poorer for losing them. Everyone of these younger characters could have just been shipped off to college or sent to visit relatives instead of being senselessly killed off. Even now, I would accept a wacky reboot where an impersonator or clone was killed so these characters can be brought back.

 

I cried and cried over Cassie's death but in the long run it was very good storytelling. SOD named it the best story of 2005. It her death kind of changed the landscape of Y&R. Michael Graziadei mentioned her death in his goodbye Y&R interview with MSN and how it was his first big story. 

 

 

 

 

There was also Daniel's online porn addiction, which Graziadei joked was his favorite storyline, but his biggest story was the death of Cassie Newman (Camryn Grimes). Daniel almost took the wrap for the car accident that killed Nick and Sharon's daughter and for a time, believed he was guilty. The painful tale fueled the Daniel/Lily loves story and sent the teens on the run, while also serving as a public service storyline about drinking and driving and under-aged driving.

 

"It's probably the most serious one that I've had," Graziadei said of that story. "It dealt with something that everyone can relate to and take away from - As opposed to being raped by some woman and being drugged or stolen money - or whatever the flavor of the week was! That was my first real storyline, too. The first one that kind of belonged to me."


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#24 DeeeDee

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 08:30 PM

Cassie's death was short sighted & unnecessary (despite Case & Morrow doing some of the best work of their careers),


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#25 y&r_fan

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 08:32 PM


Cassie's death was short sighted & unnecessary (despite Case & Morrow doing some of the best work of their careers),

Maybe, but it was also one of Y&R's best executed deaths ever and its effects are still being felt to this day.

Edited by y&r_fan, 14 January 2013 - 08:34 PM.

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#26 Ann_SS

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 09:22 PM

For some odd reason, I was not spoilt and was completely shocked when Cassie actually died. I have never even liked her, but I cried like crazy. I completely agree that the impact of her death was profound and remains so even after all these years later. I always thought that Sharon and Nick would eventually overcome her death and reunite, instead they have both gone to hell.


Edited by Ann_SS, 14 January 2013 - 09:23 PM.

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#27 DeeeDee

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 09:44 PM

I completely agree that the impact of her death was profound

 

Until the show used her death to repeatedly excuse Nick & constantly throw Sharon under the bus


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Posted 14 January 2013 - 10:41 PM

Until the show used her death to repeatedly excuse Nick & constantly throw Sharon under the bus

 

Not to mention saying that it was OK that they cheated (and that Nick used Sharon for sex when she was mentally ill) because their baby was a replacement Cassie. I've rarely been so disgusted by any soap.


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#29 EricMontreal22

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 01:28 AM

This touches upon something I was going to bring up.  I think there's a difference between a. "shocking!" stunts that feel cheap and ultimately have little to no dramatic payoff, and b. the sad reality that sometimes death takes the unexpected.  Would I have loved for Laura to see adulthood?  Well of course, as I would for any child, real or fictional.  But children are tragically taken from us at times and AMC dramatized this beautifully.

Exactly agreed.  And in this case I don't think it was done for shock effect.


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#30 DeeeDee

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 02:01 AM

Not to mention saying that it was OK that they cheated (and that Nick used Sharon for sex when she was mentally ill) because their baby was a replacement Cassie. I've rarely been so disgusted by any soap.

 

Indeed.

 

It was doubly gross because it was during the same time ANOTHER mentally ill woman was running around Genoa City strangling animals & trying to kill children.


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#31 Dale

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 11:38 AM

It was mentioned in an interview that they thought a lot about Megan, but felt that the role was un-recastable, and Tuck madeit pretty clear she would never return full time...

 

That's very true Eric. While I loved that whole week they played out Megan's death with all those flashbacks, I thought it was very shortsighted to kill the character off. Recasting Megan would have been a very tricky proposition, indeed.  She should have slipped into a coma and gotten shipped off to Switzerland.  Bigger and better than Jessica Tuck have come back.wink.png  


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#32 P.J.

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 12:38 PM

This touches upon something I was going to bring up.  I think there's a difference between a. "shocking!" stunts that feel cheap and ultimately have little to no dramatic payoff, and b. the sad reality that sometimes death takes the unexpected.  Would I have loved for Laura to see adulthood?  Well of course, as I would for any child, real or fictional.  But children are tragically taken from us at times and AMC dramatized this beautifully.

 

And on that (one) level, Bryant's death worked. Unfortunately, Sheffer then wasted (or was simply incapable) the opportunity to push his characters in new directions. Bryant's death was used to buy sympathy for the unsympathetic and completely disgusting Craig.


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Posted 15 January 2013 - 09:32 PM

I have mixed feelings about Jennifer's death on ATWT. On the one hand, she was Barbara's daughter and tied to most of the character's on the canvas. On the other hand, she had possibly the best soap death scenes I've ever witnessed.  


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#34 MissLlanviewPA

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Posted 16 January 2013 - 01:33 AM

OLTL:

 

Al Holden


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Posted 16 January 2013 - 01:42 AM

OLTL:

 

Al Holden

 

I really hated the whole switching his soul with Michael thing.  Didn't sit right with me.


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Posted 16 January 2013 - 02:11 AM

I really hated the whole switching his soul with Michael thing.  Didn't sit right with me.

 

At least we got months of ghost Luna out of it.

 

(I kid, I kid....maybe)


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#37 EricMontreal22

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Posted 16 January 2013 - 03:29 AM

Yeah one of Malone's misfires--What I didn't get was...  Why was Michael's soul not worthy?  I mean that whole aspect just irked me--what was so great about Al that he should be given by God or whoever the right to switch? 


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Posted 16 January 2013 - 12:45 PM

Yeah one of Malone's misfires--What I didn't get was...  Why was Michael's soul not worthy?  I mean that whole aspect just irked me--what was so great about Al that he should be given by God or whoever the right to switch? 


Exactly. It was just an unsettling concept to me.
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#39 Vee

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Posted 16 January 2013 - 12:49 PM

I grew up with Al Holden. He was horribly miscast with NM - whose only good story was with Kathy Brier as Marcie - but they should have recast, not killed him off. That really hurt me.


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Posted 16 January 2013 - 02:04 PM

 
.  But now that I think about OLTL didn't do too much re-casting of important characters.

OLTL did alot of recasting of important characters. Virtually everyone in Viki's family except 2 of her daughters have been recast at some point. All the Cramer clan except Addie have as well. The Buchs had more stability with pivotal roles such as Bo, Asa and Cord, not touched but then you had Clint and his sons recasted. Plenty more examples of legacy characters recanted from this show. OLTL was no different from the rest
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