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Who are some primetime stars from successful series that couldn't follow through with their subsequent efforts?

Who managed several hits over the years?

Who kept plugging away and managed mini comebacks along the way?

Let's examine the trajectory of some of TV's most well known stars.

James Arness.

After a 20 year run on Gunsmoke, he came back a few seasons later with How the West was Won. It was a sort of mini series and did well. But in 1981 he was lured back to NBC for McClain's Law and it bombed against Dallas before being shuffled around to no ratings improvement. That was it for Jim.

Angie Dickinson

Policewoman was a 4 season hit but her alone series follow up Cassie& Co was a dud.

Who can you add to the list?

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42 minutes ago, DRW50 said:

Mary Tyler Moore and Valerie Harper can be co-queens of this thread.

Ironically, just about every other cast member from "The Mary Tyler Moore Show" managed to land on at least one other hit series EXCEPT Mary herself.

There was Valerie Harper, of course, with "Rhoda." ("Valerie" would've been a hit, too, had she and her husband not fallen out with Team Miller/Boyett).

And there was Betty White with "The Golden Girls" and "Hot in Cleveland." (I don't count "Mama's Family," since NBC cancelled it after two seasons and she never became a regular on the syndicated version. And speaking of GG and "Mama," isn't it ironic that Bea Arthur and Rue McClanahan's two defining roles on TV were on the same two series? I'm talking, of course, about "Maude" and GG. Anyways.)

But there also was Ed Asner ("Lou Grant"), Cloris Leachman ("The Facts of Life" - to a certain extent), Georgia Engel (recurring gigs on "Coach," "Everybody Loves Raymond" and "Cleveland"), Gavin McLeod ("The Love Boat"), Ted Knight ("Too Close for Comfort") and even John Amos ("Good Times").

Mary, however, was just too strongly identified with Mary Richards and Laura Petrie to really break out on another show. (Totally off-subject, but why no one ever thought to reunite Mary and other "Dick Van Dyke Show" cast members on an episode of DVD's later series, "Diagnosis: Murder," is beyond me).

Conversely, it seems like Bob Newhart was the only cast member from "The Bob Newhart Show" to land another, long-running gig (on "Newhart"). Well, Marcia Wallace, too, if you count her work on "The Simpsons," lol.

Two other actors who kept plugging away until they landed another hit series: Tom Selleck ("Blue Bloods," which finally went off the air - and risked giving every 80-year-old who watched the show a coronary in the process) and Julia Louis-Dreyfus (first, "The New Adventures of Old Christine;" then, "Veep"), who might not have broken the so-called "Seinfeld curse," but who's definitely been the most successful since that show ended.

Finally, out of all the actors who appeared regularly on "Cheers" throughout its' 11-year run, it seems like Ted Danson has been the only one to land other, successful TV gigs that didn't involve reviving his "Cheers" character (the total opposite of Kelsey Grammer, who struggled even with the recent "Frasier" revival). Which is a miracle, because his first post-"Cheers" show, "Ink," did not look promising at all, lol. But he eventually landed "Becker," followed by his run on "C.S.I.," then "The Good Place," and now, "A Man on the Inside."

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1 hour ago, Paul Raven said:

James Arness.

After a 20 year run on Gunsmoke, he came back a few seasons later with How the West was Won. It was a sort of mini series and did well. But in 1981 he was lured back to NBC for McClain's Law and it bombed against Dallas before being shuffled around to no ratings improvement. That was it for Jim.

The character of Marshal Dillon cast one of the biggest shadows on TV.  There was no way Jim Arness was going to get out from under him after playing him for two decades.

Andy Griffith really lucked out with "Matlock" after several, post-"Andy Griffith Show" misses, but it could be argued that Ben Matlock was really just an older, crankier version of Sheriff Andy Taylor.  (Same went for Dick Van Dyke, who played Dr. Mark Sloan on "Diagnosis: Murder" more-or-less as Rob Petrie with a medical license).

Similarly, you might argue that Carroll O'Connor's two characters, Archie Bunker and Chief Bill Gillespie, were two sides of the same coin, with the only difference being that "In the Heat of the Night" soft-pedaled Gillespie's bigotry in the early seasons until his interracial relationship with Harriet DeLong eliminated that entirely.

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54 minutes ago, Khan said:

Finally, out of all the actors who appeared regularly on "Cheers" throughout its' 11-year run, it seems like Ted Danson has been the only one to land other, successful TV gigs that didn't involve reviving his "Cheers" regular (the total opposite of Kelsey Grammer, who struggled even with the recent "Frasier" revival). Which is a miracle, because his first post-"Cheers" show, "Ink," did not look promising at all, lol. But he eventually landed "Becker," followed by his run on "C.S.I.," then "The Good Place," and now, "A Man on the Inside."

I'd forgotten he was on CSI (then again half of Hollywood were/are - is that still on?).

I might also count Woody Harrelson, if True Detective counts (much of a crackpot as he is, he seems to know it's smart to leave that role at one season only).

We could count Kirstie Alley on Veronica's Closet, although I don't know if the show was ever actually well-liked.

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4 hours ago, Khan said:

Ironically, just about every other cast member from "The Mary Tyler Moore Show" managed to land on at least one other hit series EXCEPT Mary herself.

I only found out just now that a) Mary tried multiple failed sitcoms post-MTM and b) that widely-hated "Mary and Rhoda" TV movie from the 2000s was actually a write-off of a Mary and Rhoda series order when ABC hated the pilot script.

I would also be remiss to not point out that the sleepy Becker era aside, Ted Danson's real comeback began with his breakout dramatic role as an Enron-esque tycoon on the underrated FX show Damages with Rose Byrne and Glenn Close, where he got rave reviews and suddenly started doing everything again afterwards. He was amazing.

I think either Danson or his talented wife Mary Steenburgen had some very incisive, smart comments about why Ink failed and why it was likely unwise to pair them together onscreen in an A.V. Club Random Roles interview, or somewhere else like that some years ago.

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28 minutes ago, Vee said:

I only found out just now that a) Mary tried multiple failed sitcoms post-MTM and b) that widely-hated "Mary and Rhoda" TV movie from the 2000s was actually a write-off of a Mary and Rhoda series order when ABC hated the pilot script.

And of course Mary's two failed variety shows, airing not long after the other, both featuring Michael Keaton. Keaton also had two short-lived sitcoms in 1979 and 1982. All four of these shows aired on CBS. Once Night Shift became a hit I envision whoever was pushing him at CBS simultaneously feeling proud and pissed as hell.

I watched the three episodes of her first variety show earlier this year and it's a very odd experience. I'm not sure if they are on Youtube or not.

A year or two before she had also done a very odd special, in parts a late '60s hangover, the finished product being the result of unhappy network changes.

Among other things I have no idea being her idea or their idea is hippie chick Mary dancing to a fiddle, Mary as a German Axis dominatrix, Mary gussied up as a Company lady to struggle with "I'm Still Here," and the Manhattan Transfer leading us through Hell, Henry Kissinger, and a nuclear holocaust.

Mary's Incredible Dream (1976 )

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After MTMS ended, Mary unwisely went with a variety show 'Mary' that lasted half a season. CBS gave it the plum Sun @8 slot and it tanked immediately. Maybe if had aired Sun @10 it might have had a chance to build. Anyway it was revamped into a sitcom/variety hybrid 'Mary Tyler Moore Hour' and returned later in the season to bad reviews and ratings.

So a few years later she tried another sitcom 'Mary' which failed. They put her in a magazine workplace setting but it paled in comparison to the original MTM.

Finally there was Annie McGuire where she was a wife and mother, newly married and dealing with a blended family. Paired with another Dick Van Dyke revival in a deadly timeslot it was quickly yanked and that was it for MTM.

James Garner

Following the hit Maverick 1957-60,he branched into movies before returning to television with the quirky 'Nicols' on NBC that lasted a season-1971/72 But then it was back to a hit series with Rockford Files 1974-80

A Maverick revival "Bret Maverick' was next 1981/82 and despite passable ratings it was cancelled after one season.

He tried a sitcom 'Man of the People' 1991 but it flopped up against Murder She Wrote.

Next up was shortlived animated series on NBC 'God, the Devil and Bob' 2000 4 episodes and the Supreme Court drama First Monday on CBS 2002 13 episodes.

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Heather Locklear had an almost 20 year long successful primetime career with "Dynasty", "T.J. Hooker", "Melrose Place" and "Spin City".

Her "Melrose Place" co-star Courtney Thorne-Smith also enjoyed a long successful run on primetime with "Ally McBeal", "According to Jim" and "Two and a Half Men" on her resumé.

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2 hours ago, Vee said:

I only found out just now that a) Mary tried multiple failed sitcoms post-MTM and b) that widely-hated "Mary and Rhoda" TV movie from the 2000s was actually a write-off of a Mary and Rhoda series order when ABC hated the pilot script.

I would also be remiss to not point out that the sleepy Becker era aside, Ted Danson's real comeback began with his breakout dramatic role as an Enron-esque tycoon on the underrated FX show Damages with Rose Byrne and Glenn Close, where he got rave reviews and suddenly started doing everything again afterwards. He was amazing.

I'd forgotten about Ted Danson's work on "Damages." Of course, that's likely because I haven't seen much of the show (just an episode here or there). But I do think it was a fantastic opportunity for Close to reunite and work again with several of her former, on-screen co-stars, including Danson and (IIRC) William Hurt.

Yeah, I'm still mad that "Mary and Rhoda" never made it to series, because I think the concept had "juice." I even had plotted out a spec script where Mary begins dating one of Rhoda's exes (specifically, restaurateur Mike Andretti, hopefully played again by Judd Hirsch) in the hopes that the series would get picked up. But as soon as I'd heard that Jeff Lowell and Tom Fontana (!) had written the script, I had a very bad feeling, lol.

2 hours ago, Paul Raven said:

Finally there was Annie McGuire where she was a wife and mother, newly married and dealing with a blended family. Paired with another Dick Van Dyke revival in a deadly timeslot it was quickly yanked and that was it for MTM.

Not quite. Remember "New York News," the one-hour series that was so bad, MTM tried to get out of her contract before CBS decided to cancel the show anyway? After that, though, she was done with series television.

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John Ritter:

Lots of guest work in the '70s, plus a recurring role on The Waltons.

Three's Company, the show that put him on the map, allowed for the occasional movie (Americathon, Hero at Large, They All Laughed), and eventually earned him an Emmy.

Three's a Crowd, a too-late and unnecessary star vehicle.

Hooperman, which might have been ahead of its time and really had no place on late '80s ABC.

The actor for hire years, with projects as all over the place as the Problem Child movies to the original IT to The Dreamer of Oz to an arc on Anything But Love. I feel John's casting in a lot of these cases was meant for irony-kitsch.

Fish Police -- was never going to work.

Hearts Afire -- sandwich show; crashed and burned once it had to carry its weight.

The actor for hire years, part II, with a more diverse (respectable?) batch of projects; I really liked his run as Ben's [!@#$%^&*] father on Felicity. The role I would have loved to have seen him play was one of Beverly Leslie's relatives on Will & Grace (who, naturally, falls for Karen).

Clifford the Big Red Dog; never watched it, but that seems like solid casting.

8 Simple Rules; I remember John's comeback being a big deal. SNL had a parody commercial for ABC's sitcoms with John, Bonnie Hunt, and Jim Belushi ("Last Chance Tuesdays").

Who's to say how things would have wound up, but I think that had he lived, John would probably still be in actor for hire mode, with guest spots and arcs for anything and everything. The Big Bang Theory is a given.

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1 hour ago, Khan said:

I'd forgotten about Ted Danson's work on "Damages." Of course, that's likely because I haven't seen much of the show (just an episode here or there). But I do think it was a fantastic opportunity for Close to reunite and work again with several of her former, on-screen co-stars, including Danson and (IIRC) William Hurt.

Just a pity that, as legend goes anyway, William Hurt (in typical fashion) quit somewhere mid-second season, which necessitated some very hasty messy rewrites. The plotline then had to wrap around two talented guest actors on loan from The Wire (Clarke Peters and John Doman) standing around conspiring about the main cast instead. I was so excited for Hurt joining the show but Season 2 was Damages' least successful year as a result.

I never even knew about New York News til today.

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3 minutes ago, Franko said:

Who's to say how things would have wound up, but I think that had he lived, John would probably still be in actor for hire mode, with guest spots and arcs for anything and everything. The Big Bang Theory is a given.

John Ritter was so dependable and more versatile than he was given credit for. I have no doubt he'd still be in demand today, like Henry Winkler but much moreso.

(Last Chance Tuesdays is funny though. I'm sure that was the case for Bonnie Hunt.)

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Well, McLean Stevenson is the King of this thread, with so many failed sitcoms after MASH that it's some kind of record.

I LOVED How The West Was Won, with Arness and Bruce Boxleitner and Fionnula Flannigan. It had started off as a mini-series (or a two part tv movie with Eva Marie Saint as James' sister-in-law) and then followed him as he took the family west to escape the Civil Warl

My favorite for this was the short lived Bob, with Bob Newhart as an animator. In the short time between the end of Newhart and this, his brand of comedy had just went off the cliff and it failed to click with audiences.

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6 minutes ago, Vee said:

John Ritter was so dependable and more versatile than he was given credit for. I have no doubt he'd still be in demand today, like Henry Winkler but much moreso.

Agreed. He also seemed to have been well-liked, which obviously helps keep a guy working consecutively for 30+ years.

I should check out some of John's TV movies. There's Gramps, from 1995, with evil Andy Griffith. Or The Only Way Out, from 1993, with John facing off against Henry Winkler.

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