I think it matters to the discussion about Britt, because it demonstrates that those little connections matter. I wouldn’t need much as far as Britt and Spencer go, but the truth is there was more there than with Rocco. Spencer was part of the show moving her into a new direction. But the show has miscalculated how much I will tolerate Britt without any vulnerability. Especially acting like a spoiled brat. This woman is over 40.

And not to keep harping on it, but imagine Laura’s family being rebuilt with the kind of attention the Obrect family is getting. Lulu is certainly used a lot, but she and Dante should already be moving back together, Laura should have something real going on, and Lucky was a disaster of the show’s doing.

5 minutes ago, titan1978 said:

I think it matters to the discussion about Britt, because it demonstrates that those little connections matter. I wouldn’t need much as far as Britt and Spencer go, but the truth is there was more there than with Rocco. Spencer was part of the show moving her into a new direction. But the show has miscalculated how much I will tolerate Britt without any vulnerability. Especially acting like a spoiled brat. This woman is over 40.

And not to keep harping on it, but imagine Laura’s family being rebuilt with the kind of attention the Obrect family is getting. Lulu is certainly used a lot, but she and Dante should already be moving back together, Laura should have something real going on, and Lucky was a disaster of the show’s doing.

I don't think you could even imagine a world in 1997 where LULU and LUCKY were treated with such disdain, but the red carpet is rolled out for Britt and Nathan.

Idk, if you developed Britt like Carly who was riddled with insecurities I could see it.  But Britt's a dr, who has a full family, and people that endlessly defend her.  She's a jerk to be a jerk.  She complains about everything from her free housing to her "horrible" job while she's literally explains nothing about her fake death or what her agenda is.  

KT is a very unlikeable actress, but when she thinks people "owe" her suites at the Metro Court I get lost.  It's not cute, likable, or funny.

I know the story is still airing, and I am catching up, but I hate another story where Tracy is grieving an important loss and gets shafted in the will. It would be one thing if they tied this to when she and Luke faked Alan’s will. I don’t believe for a second Monica would be cruel to Tracy at this stage. I’m sure there are twists to come, but the jar on top of Ronnie getting most of the estate is really gross.

And the absence of ELQ stock stuff is also a waste.

There are so few people on the show that had actual scenes of significance with Monica from before the JFP era. I would think she would leave something to Laura, and I would have even included Lucy. I would have had some fun with Lucy getting something red in tribute to her Q wedding dress. Lucy, Tracy, and Jason being the sceptics of Ronnie would also work for me, each in their own way. It’s slim pickings, but for the audience it’s the kind of nostalgia that works. That damn jar is not beloved like they think it is.

23 minutes ago, carolineg said:

I don't think you could even imagine a world in 1997 where LULU and LUCKY were treated with such disdain, but the red carpet is rolled out for Britt and Nathan.

Pretty much.

Do I think a brief discussion of Britt's friendship with Spencer would be understandable? Sure. Is it some core part of her character? No.

IIRC the Pickle Lila heirloom to Tracy from Edward was misunderstood at the time - it was his message to her to forge her own path, which she later understood (even if didn't really go anywhere). I suspect Monica meant it in that spirit, but I do find the gag a bit tedious.

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3 minutes ago, Vee said:

Pretty much.

Do I think a brief discussion of Britt's friendship with Spencer would be understandable? Sure. Is it some core part of her character? No.

I don't even think it has to be mentioned.  If she was specifically talking to Laura, Alexis, or Trina, I suppose? 

I can't recall NAC's Spencer ever bringing up the relationship and I don't think we should bring it up again to say guess how great Britt is with kids lol.  I know she sucked with Emma, but Ben/Rocco?  Spencer?  She's practically Mother Theresa.

31 minutes ago, carolineg said:

I don't think you could even imagine a world in 1997 where LULU and LUCKY were treated with such disdain, but the red carpet is rolled out for Britt and Nathan.

Idk, if you developed Britt like Carly who was riddled with insecurities I could see it.  But Britt's a dr, who has a full family, and people that endlessly defend her.  She's a jerk to be a jerk.  She complains about everything from her free housing to her "horrible" job while she's literally explains nothing about her fake death or what her agenda is.  

KT is a very unlikeable actress, but when she thinks people "owe" her suites at the Metro Court I get lost.  It's not cute, likable, or funny.

I think the seeds were already being sewn in 1997 because that's when Tony's contempt for L&L and for Luke being a husband or father was starting to be nurtured That's what put Lulu and Lucky where they are now. I never really thought Lucky's return was going to work, for that and several other reasons, although I thought it was going to last longer than it did. 

One could argue that Carly was written in an uglier way than Britt, even if they tried for some sympathy (like when Carly had agoraphobia for five minutes), but Sarah was just so much better. 

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5 minutes ago, DRW50 said:

One could argue that Carly was written in an uglier way than Britt, even if they tried for some sympathy (like when Carly had agoraphobia for five minutes), but Sarah was just so much better. 

The caliber of the day to day writing was also a hundred times more layered.

I don't think Luke's revisionist issues with family ever really applied to Lucky and Lulu when JJ was around in the '90s, or when they had Julie in the role where she was a major part of his life - he would grumble about that stuff by then, but she was a central young leading lady, even when I found most of her stories tedious. When the creative regime was invested in the characters or actors they didn't ever make them an afterthought. And it was only after Genie's brief return in '06 and whatever happened there or after that Luke really went all in on turning into Bill Eckert. Up til then Tony was a very dedicated keeper of the flame onscreen and off, in interviews.

But even then JMB's Lulu was a priority for the show, and Jonathan was when he returned the first time. The Guza regime weren't treating them with casual disinterest then the way Frank clearly is (and the way they certainly did with Greg Vaughan). Alexa and Dominic should be leading the show, to say nothing of the Lucky debacle.

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6 minutes ago, carolineg said:

I don't even think it has to be mentioned.  If she was specifically talking to Laura, Alexis, or Trina, I suppose? 

Yeah, that would be the only reason. (I'll get the hang of multi-quoting eventually)

4 minutes ago, Vee said:

The caliber of the day to day writing was also a hundred times more layered.

I don't think Luke's revisionist issues with family ever really applied to Lucky and Lulu when JJ was around in the '90s, or when they had Julie in the role where she was a major part of his life. When the creative regime was invested in the characters or actors they didn't ever make them an afterthought. And it was only after Genie's brief return in '06 and whatever happened there or after that Luke really went all in on turning into Bill Eckert. Up til then Tony was a very dedicated keeper of the flame onscreen and off, in interviews.

But even then JMB's Lulu was a priority for the show, and Jonathan was when he returned the first time. The Guza regime weren't treating them with casual disinterest then the way Frank clearly is (and the way they certainly did with Greg Vaughan). Alexa and Dominic should be leading the show, to say nothing of the Lucky debacle.

Not to take this back into the past too much, and your memory is better than mine, but I have vague memories of stuff like heavy implications of Luke sleeping with prostitutes throughout his marriage even by the late '90s. I do agree Luke's contempt for Lucky didn't really start until Greg was in the role. 

Lucky and Lulu both had a priority in a way which also felt like reinforcing Guza's hostilities, for me - JJ also had to play Lucky being vile toward the woman he was meant to love, and not caring about the kids much, while JMB (badly) played Luke Jr.

Carly is interesting to me because I never really loved the writing for her. If I look back I may appreciate it more now, especially with what she has become. Either way, I can't see KT being able to play it. She has her moments but comes across with the depth of a love interest on Jake and the Fatman who turns out to be the killer.

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10 minutes ago, DRW50 said:

One could argue that Carly was written in an uglier way than Britt, even if they tried for some sympathy (like when Carly had agoraphobia for five minutes), but Sarah was just so much better. 

Carly was written uglier, but with a background that was believable.  You could feel her hurt and wanting for acceptance even if she made horrible decisions.  She was your underdog.

Britt's mean to be mean.  She has no layers. She just feels entitled all the time.

4 minutes ago, Vee said:

Yeah, that would be the only reason. (I'll get the hang of multi-quoting eventually)

I haven't been able to multi quote for at least a few weeks.  It's not just you lol

3 minutes ago, DRW50 said:

Not to take this back into the past too much, and your memory is better than mine, but I have vague memories of stuff like heavy implications of Luke sleeping with prostitutes throughout his marriage even by the late '90s.

I don't remember that. I know he was friendly with Tammy because he'd grown up around the life with Bobbie and Ruby, and there were intimations that Luke had lost his virginity, etc. to hookers. It's possible but I only remember that stuff coming out of Tony's increasingly bitter interviews in the mid-late 2000s.

I absolutely despised Sarah's Carly many times in the '90s but I couldn't stop watching her. She could be so foul (especially to Robin) but she was consistently mesmerizing and visceral. Eventually that became me just accepting I was a fan of this deeply flawed, often ugly character. They had a lot of courage to put some of that stuff over, and according to Mulcahey she was also very controversial BTS.

She has her moments but comes across with the depth of a love interest on Jake and the Fatman who turns out to be the killer.

A unique choice, but accurate!

6 minutes ago, carolineg said:

Britt's mean to be mean.  She has no layers. She just feels entitled all the time.

They do show vulnerability to Britt at times - oh, it's all her insecurities and deep hurt, or the fanwank that she's just projecting a false front with Lulu to protect Rocco from her secret, etc. They started doing that more near the time she first got involved with Jason, though RC did also try to soften her prior (poorly). The problem is the writing just isn't good enough, and KT isn't good enough either. She just mopes and I don't buy it or care when she gets sad and shows she's just trying to 'be strong.' The other side of Britt is not deep or complex enough to overcome how loathsome she can be when she's supposedly 'hurting'. Like I said a couple weeks ago, by the time she reveals what she's covering for re: her resurrection no one will care given how awful she's been to Lulu, Dante, etc.

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6 minutes ago, Vee said:

I don't remember that. I know he was friendly with Tammy because he'd grown up around the life with Bobbie and Ruby, and there were intimations that Luke had lost his virginity, etc. to hookers. It's possible but I only remember that stuff coming out of Tony's increasingly bitter interviews in the mid-late 2000s.

I absolutely despised Sarah's Carly many times in the '90s but I couldn't stop watching her. She could be so foul (especially to Robin) but she was consistently mesmerizing and visceral. Eventually that became me just accepting I was a fan of this deeply flawed, often ugly character. They had a lot of courage to put some of that stuff over, and according to Mulcahey she was also very controversial BTS.

A unique choice, but accurate!

She has that late '80s CBS look. Either a role like that that or someone who got killed off by a psycho on Knots after about four episodes. 

Maybe the Luke stuff was just mentioned in his later years. I have such contempt for Luke that I may just be casting aspersions retroactively. 

And yes, Sarah's Carly was ugly and riveting to watch.

20 minutes ago, DRW50 said:

Not to take this back into the past too much, and your memory is better than mine, but I have vague memories of stuff like heavy implications of Luke sleeping with prostitutes throughout his marriage even by the late '90s. I do agree Luke's contempt for Lucky didn't really start until Greg was in the role. 

Lucky and Lulu both had a priority in a way which also felt like reinforcing Guza's hostilities, for me - JJ also had to play Lucky being vile toward the woman he was meant to love, and not caring about the kids much, while JMB (badly) played Luke Jr.

Carly is interesting to me because I never really loved the writing for her. If I look back I may appreciate it more now, especially with what she has become. Either way, I can't see KT being able to play it. She has her moments but comes across with the depth of a love interest on Jake and the Fatman who turns out to be the killer.

Everyone is free to correct me, but IIRC the late 90's/early 2000's Felicia situation it was more Luke feeling boxed in domesticity.  Not that he cheated on Laura regularly.  

The prostitute/contempt stuff started with Jacob's Lucky and the Summer triangle.  I know, no one wants to recall that.

11 minutes ago, Vee said:

They do show vulnerability to Britt at times - oh, it's all her insecurities and deep hurt, she's just projecting a false front, etc. They started doing that more near the time she first got involved with Jason, though RC did also try to soften her prior (poorly). The problem is the writing just isn't good enough, and KT isn't good enough either. She just mopes and I don't buy it or care when she gets sad and shows she's just trying to 'be strong.' The other side of Britt is not deep or complex enough to overcome how loathsome she can be when she's supposedly 'hurting'. Like I said a couple weeks ago, by the time she reveals what she's covering for re: her resurrection no one will care given how awful she's been to Lulu, Dante, etc.

I am not even sure what they are doing with Britt.  She's not a likable human in any capacity.  I think the show might be going for Bickersons Jason/Brenda banter, but I am not sure.  There isn't really a softness there that makes me think she likes Jason or anyone for that matter.  She looks off to the distance sadly sometimes, but I get nothing else.   And even when she does something nice like save Joss from Heather she wants something ridiculous in return.  Her COS job should be hers, she should have a penthouse, everyone should be happy she exists.  

Edited October 12Oct 12 by carolineg

Other than a few Nathan and Maxie fans on twitter, I don't see anyone happy or excited about the Obrecht clan being back and in full force. Nathan nor Britt are worth all this and neither of them can carry a story, much less a front burner one. I do find the show pretty enjoyable these days and feel it's in good shape, but the Obrecht family just is not it. 

I always enjoyed Sam but in hindsight, cutting her loose was the right move. However it's now been over a year and Dante and Lulu still aren't close to being back together. I dread the thought of them making her keep Nathan afloat until whenever Maxie comes back.

I'm not going to go back and quote a bunch of people, but I don't remember Tony having disdain for Luke and Laura until around the mid-2000s when the Skye and Tracy stuff started up. Before that he always seemed okay with it. I know the hookers and affairs had a started a little before that, but it wasn't until around the Laura coma return that Luke basically became Bill. I do that the show has been interested in Lucky and Lulu in the past, even if they're not that interested now.