BTG: June 2025 Discussion Thread

[Aback]

Is nobody going to mention the cringefest that is 'Carl Ivati'?

[ranger1rg]

I get your point, but I also know that if the roles were reversed -- if a man were screwing around on a woman this way -- everyone would be all "All with his head!"

When I say Vanessa needs therapy, I'm actually being kind, because I could begin and end with the fact that she's a cheating slut.

[Antoyne]

Thank you. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with sleeping around if your spouse actually knows about it. She’s just a cheating slut.

[janea4old]

omg I completely missed that, but now when I see it typed here in your post, it's obvious icky cringe.

So now I just checked and Tomas said that -- on May 27 that he likes the author Carl Ivati.  He said it with sort of an accent, so I didn't catch the stupid joke or think about the spelling.   I remember when that aired, that I actually said to myself at the time, "I wonder if that's a Latin American author, and I will have to google him later."

And now I see your post, and I see. Well that's cringe, and I feel stupid to have fallen for it.

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[DemetriKane]

I missed that. Dan Kroll mentioned it in his write-up on this week.

[GLATWT88]

I remembered this as well, so I was surprised that Tomas didn't seem to know what Eva was talking about. 

I would be happy for them to go their separate ways and get help for their own addictions.

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[janea4old]

Oh wow. After reading your post, I realized that they had "Carl Ivati" in the script AGAIN yesterday June 6.    Eva said she was reading his latest, and Tomas said "Work's been so busy, I haven't had time to get into his new series".
Then Eva proceeds to tell him that "the first book is called 'Mercy and Goodness' and it's all about how the couple first met and how they got separated".   She goes on and on about how great it is. And she says she has the book in her hotel room if he wants to borrow it. She says it has twists and turns.

And meanwhile Kat is snooping in Eva's room to look for the helmet and gloves, and finds the book and dismisses it as "basic".

I saw that whole scene -- but I wasn't paying attention to the name of the author.  And when Tomas said the name, I heard it in his accent so I didn't hear "carlivati".  II was mainly trying to see if the acting had improved with the actor playing Tomas, and I think he has improved somewhat.   I only see it when typed out.

So they had several scenes yesterday about a "Carl Ivati" book? 
Barf!

Well at least Kat had the good sense to dismiss it as "basic".

Ron Carlivati wrote the breakdown yesterday!   Featuring himself in it!

Addressing to the collective "you" whoever you may be:
Some of you, months ago, said Oh Ron is only doing breakdowns.  The story comes from MVJ, so he won't influence things, you said.

May 27 started it, with Christopher Dunn breakdown and Lynn Martin script.

But they didn't need to continue it June 6 with Carlivati breakdown and Jazmen Darnell Brown script.

Edited 10 hours ago by janea4old

[P.J.]

Tamara Tunie reading that damn letter is exactly why I wish this show had more experienced actors.

[Chris B]

Breakdown writers can pitch stories and obviously they have influence over what is included in the breakdown but MVJ is the final decision maker. It depends on the faith you have in MVJ if you feel Carlivati is going to be a problem. I don't think a throwaway having a book author named after him is a sign he's taken over the show. Most people didn't even catch the reference.

[Aback]

I think they’re desperately trying to cover his awful tattoos. But anyway them being unable to style short kings properly has been a major pet peeve of mine for a while now. 

I honestly don’t understand what some people expect from actors to even begin considering them for recognition. Let’s be real—awards mostly mean that an actor is respected by their peers and has some level of cultural relevance.

Actual judgment on the acting itself? That’s often secondary—highly subjective and shaped by the times.

I completely agree on both points. If you’re an actor or a dancer you shouldn’t get any tattoos (sorry not sorry). Tomas’ tattoos are ugly too.
And regarding the couples- you’re completely right. These writers are unable to write romance.
 

Further comments:

- Kat cannot be this dumb to keep tampering with evidence over and over again. And I’m officially not a fan of the actress—every time she’s in a scene with Leslie, she doesn’t seem intimidated at all. She plays it like comic relief, which is just too much, especially when paired with Leslie’s histrionics and over-the-top antics. Leslie is older, dangerous, and has literally been portrayed as homicidal—Kat should be at least a little scared.

• I also didn’t like Kat playing damsel in distress with the hotel manager. It gave off the same weird energy as Dani with the cop. I would’ve much preferred the version Paul Raven suggested, with her sneaking in through housekeeping.

• And yes, Dani again accused Hayley of faking the pregnancy—this time even specifying she might be using a pillow under her shirt. (No fake miscarriage being mentioned) I stand by my take: this is ridiculous writing. No one in the real world—except us, the chronically online soap watchers—would even think of such a conspiracy theory. Haley is no Beyoncé.

• What in the world was Chelsea wearing in her hair the other day? And this whole thing with Madison is beyond cringe. Chelsea’s coming off as needy and toxic—basically like every other Dupree.

• I’m glad the casino storyline is moving forward, but it’s still boring as hell. Honestly, I’d be so here for a plot twist where Vanessa and Doug take Joey out.

• The direction and editing lately have been rough. Abrupt cuts, weird pacing… something just feels off overall. There’s a strange uneasiness to how it’s all coming together.

• And finally: Tomas is too much of a saint. Where are the messy sluts when you need them? (Vanessa doesn’t count.)

[Antoyne]

@TaoboiI ran into Dani’s favorite party planner again tonight

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[AbcNbc247]

It’s not about a lack of faith and trust in MVJ, it’s about a a lack of faith and trust in Ron Carlivati, who I think can be very sneaky and manipulative when he wants to be. 

And, all that “He’s just a breakdown writer” talk never changed my mind about anything, because at Days, it was “just a breakdown writer” that gave us some of the worst episodes I’ve ever seen. 

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