DAYS: March 2025 Discussion Thread

[carolineg]

Yeah.  I was definitely thinking more in terms if we had to be stuck with Leo that's how I would use him.  GR has decent comedic timing.

I think everyone agrees Leo needs to go at this point.

[Taoboi]

I'll take Patty Williams, but no.

 

 

[skiman12082004]

I rather enjoyed DAYS this week. It had the underlying drama with good acting and dare I say writing that kept me engaged. It is obvious the fallout of Johnny finding out EJ raped Sami is going to be pretty enormous and I can't wait.

[j swift]

I want to give praise that the scripts worked hard to solve the obvious criticism of why Johnny and Allie had never discuss being twins with separate fathers. 

Kate and Roman confirmed a pact among the elders that they would never tell Johnny and Allie.  So, it seemed as if, even if Johnny or Allie had questions, there was no one to ask.  I actually think that's why Kate being the one to tell was so effective.  She loves Lucas so much that she's held the information, because those were his wishes.  That seemed plausible and in character for Kate.

Unlike the random choice of having Melinda traffic stolen goods. - BTW, even if Melinda had a single line that after being kidnapped, and having nobody search for her, left her feeling alone, so she bought the necklace for herself as a gift - I'd have given this cockamamy plot a pass.

Edited March 16 by j swift

[janea4old]

That pact never happened. It was a retcon for this recent dialogue. 
Are you praising the retcon from the dialogue to finagle an explanation, in order to make the current story work ... ? Well okay, I guess?
But those of us who followed the original storyline know that didn't happen onscreen.

The discussion of what to tell the children never happened onscreen, because the the children were too young onscreen for such discussions, so there was no reason for the adults to discuss onscreen what to tell them.

Sami left Salem with the children to move to California after EJ "died" for a movie thing. At that time the children were young, maybe early elementary school.  Then when EJ was found alive in the warehouse, she took him to Italy for burn recovery.  All that time, Allie and Johnny (and Sydney) were offscreen.  Then all three children were offscreen for years, with Sami visiting Salem for very short stints occasionally but no children ever shown.
(Will was already an adult and a father before EJ "died".)

Finally Allie and Johnny were SORASed and brought to Salem as young adults.

Edited March 16 by janea4old

[carolineg]

I think the pact was to keep the rape a secret-not the fact they had two different fathers.  Allie and Johnny are grown adults.  Allie is a mother.  Someone had to explain something to them about having two different fathers and why and I doubt it was just your mother is kind of slutty lol.  Johnny may be dense but I assume he would question something as simple as biology at some point in his life.  The script did nothing to answer that problem for me.   I really felt like this was the first time in Johnny's nearly 30 year old life that he even wondered about the whole situation.   The reveal was fine, but the entire concept of him not knowing Lucas/Sami were married at the time he was conceived is lazy.

[janea4old]

Yes  that's the pact that was described this past week. Johnny and Allie always knew they had different fathers, even since childhood.  What I was saying was that there was never  discussion/pact/whatever amongst the adults onscreen in the past, regarding whether/how to tell the children about the rape.

[carolineg]

I was more replying to @j swift not you.  Anyhow, I am fine assuming there was a pact made off screen at some point.  It does make sense.  I just wish Kate delved into what they all told Allie/Johnny when they were old enough to ask questions about how they were conceived.  I am not upset with them for not mentioning the rape, but more curious how they explained it all to them.

[Antoyne]

I really would love to know what exactly the adults told Johnny and Allie. There is no good lie that doesn’t make Sami out to be sleeping with two men back to back.

[carolineg]

Right?  Thank you.  Obviously keep the rape out of it, but how do you explain it in a way that doesn't make Sami look bad?  Or make it seem somewhat normal?

[j swift]

  I think this presupposes the need for a lie. However, there wasn’t a need to lie if no one who knew the truth was willing to tell.

If Allie had always known Lucas as her father, and Johnny had always been told that EJ was his father, then it’s reasonable to assume that this was normalized enough in their childhood for them to believe it was just the way things were. After EJ died, it likely wasn’t discussed much because families often avoid talking about the dead. And when Allie grew up, she wouldn’t have asked questions because this was Johnny’s issue, not hers.

Roman made it perfectly clear that nobody would've been willing to discuss it forever. Unless, EJ did a heinous thing, like bringing back Arnold.

The final piece of the puzzle is that everyone silently agreed to keep it a secret. As I saw it, there was no need to verbalize the pact; it was simply understood as being in the family’s best interest.

To clarify, I’m praising the cleverness of creating a plausible solution rather than leaving loose threads.

 

Edited March 17 by j swift

[janea4old]

Yes this is what was shown on screen when they were young.  And then their older childhood and their teen years were offscreen, so it probably never came up.  Modern families have various mixes of parents, so it probably didn't seem any more unusual to them than other kids their age.

 

 

 

Okay that makes sense.

[carolineg]

I mean, there are valid points here and decent perspectives.  I just can't believe Johnny or Allie thought it was normal to be twins and have two different dads.  That's extremely, extremely rare.  Half siblings is one thing, but sharing the same womb at the same time and not asking anything at all is unbelievable to me.  Even if every adult kept quiet they had to have some friends or classmates at least ask them about it. 

It is Days though, so whatever.  It just screams a bit of laziness to me.  Maybe they will delve further into it tomorrow.

[Contessa Donatella]

This might be a controversial idea but why couldn't Sami be dating two guys?

[carolineg]

Sami was married or engaged? to Lucas at the time.  

Edited March 17 by carolineg