Interesting that Rachel was placed in the center of that promo. Wonder how Jacquie Courtney felt about another sign she was being edged out as AW #1 leading lady?

1 hour ago, Paul Raven said:

Interesting that Rachel was placed in the center of that promo. Wonder how Jacquie Courtney felt about another sign she was being edged out as AW #1 leading lady?

There are several interesting and confusing things about this promo. First, Rachel and Mac were already a couple by this point, and they might have already been married. So why does the promo feature Rachel and Steve? The Alice/Steve/Rachel triangle had been over for months. And who are the brothers mentioned in the promo? I believe the only two brothers on the entire show at this time were Steve and Willis. But Rachel had moved on from Steve at this point, and she was NEVER involved with Willis. This entire ad sends some weird messages. I wonder who wrote it...

1 hour ago, Tisy-Lish said:

If I'm not mistaken, VW kept this hairstyle (or very similar) until Rachel's brain surgery in 1978. At that point (since Rachel's head was supposedly shaved), VW got a new shorter hair style and the character was said to be wearing a wig for a while. Very soon after this, VW went through a series of wavy (and occasionally curly) perms. Some of those perms worked better than others.

Yes, that sounds about right

It might have become a bit more natural for a short time, less full and sprayed, before the brain tumor. Some of those later perms were awful.

1 hour ago, Paul Raven said:

Interesting that Rachel was placed in the center of that promo. Wonder how Jacquie Courtney felt about another sign she was being edged out as AW #1 leading lady?

Certainly looks that way, but even before Lemay it felt like most people were watching to see what that horrid Rachel was up to next. And there was a feeling that Courtenay's Alice was almost luminously beautiful, Rachel was more sexual. And attractive enougj while also relatable

14 minutes ago, Stevel said:

Yes, that sounds about right

It might have become a bit more natural for a short time, less full and sprayed, before the brain tumor. Some of those later perms were awful.

Good points. But it wasn't a tumor that brought about Rachel's brain surgery in '78. Sven had kidnapped Rachel and hidden her in the pump-house on the Cory estate. When that was discovered, Sven pushed Rachel and knocked her down, as he was trying to escape. Rachel hit her head on a ledge of concrete and suffered brain damage which required surgery. As if the kidnapping wasn't enough. LOL.

Right. I remember she was blind, briefly. And then Iris came to visit, loaded with ulterior motives and backhandedly complimented her on her wig.

@slick jones Timestamped for the start of their scenes - the two robbers are named Ryder (the one with a gun) and Kipple (the one who's been injured). Anyone have any idea the name of these actors? Obviously Kipple would be much harder to know since he has no lines in this episode, but the actor playing Ryder has basically the whole episode centered on him.

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I could be wrong, but I think that's a very young Bert Remsen playing Ryder. Remsen was one of those actors who'd popped up on all sorts of TV shows BITD (including KL, where he played a con artist who sweet talks Julie Harris' Lilimae into running away with him to Las Vegas).

2 hours ago, Khan said:

I could be wrong, but I think that's a very young Bert Remsen playing Ryder. Remsen was one of those actors who'd popped up on all sorts of TV shows BITD (including KL, where he played a con artist who sweet talks Julie Harris' Lilimae into running away with him to Las Vegas).

Looking him up, it very well could be. Thanks Khan!

SOAP OPERA FANS ARE SEEING STARS

By Marianne Costantinou

• Feb. 7, 1982

If Ellen Stewart, the long-suffering heroine of CBS's ''As the World Turns,'' is having second thoughts about asking her husband of 25 years to move out, she won't after this Wednesday. That's when she will meet Suz Baker, the carefree divorcee who will help her readjust to life as an unmarried woman.

Suz, a new character on the daytime soap opera, will be played by Betsy Palmer, who has agreed to appear in the role for six months. Miss Palmer is best known to television audiences for her 10 years as a panelist on ''I've Got a Secret,'' and to recent filmgoers as the psychopathic murderer in the 1980 horror film ''Friday the 13th'' and its 1981 sequel.

Last week, viewers of ABC's daytime serial ''General Hospital'' saw Marie Windsor, who played conniving girl friends and faithless wives in a score of films beginning in the late 1940's and through the mid-60's, take on the role of Vivian Collins, a physician who re-enters Dr. Steve Hardy's life after seven years.

And last month, Gwen Verdon, the dancer who has won four Tony Awards for her portrayals of sweet-natured coquettes in Broadway musicals, was a prim, mean-spirited mother on ''All My Children,'' another ABC soap opera. These actre sses are only the latest in a procession of established actors and ce lebrated personalities who have had ''guest roles'' on one of the ne tworks' 13 daytime serials. During the past year, the list has incl uded Elizabeth Taylor, Milton Berle and Kansas City Royals' cente rfielder Amos Otis on ''General Hospital''; Sammy Davis Jr., Arlene D ahl and Rip Taylor on ABC's ''One Life to Live''; boxer Gerry Cooney on ABC's ''Ryan's Hope''; and Celeste Holm, Dina Merrill, Zsa Zsa Gabor, Henny Youngman and Dr. Joyce Brothers on ''Asthe World Tur ns.'' Also on ''As the World Turns'' will be Pearl Bailey and Ed ie Adams, who will guest star on Feb. 22.

Why should such relatively successful performers want to app ear on the sort of television shows long disdained b y serious actors? What has happened to soap opera that has made it s uddenly attractive?

There are doubtless a variety of reasons. One of the most important seems to be the fact that in recent years soap-opera-like shows such as ''Dallas,'' ''Falcon Crest,'' and ''Flamingo Road'' have proved enormously popular during prime time. This phenomenon has given a new ''respectability'' to the genre once derisively referred to by James Thurber as ''Soapland.''

Other explanations for the change include the following: For a number of performers, appearing in a ''soap'' can be a chance to try a different kind of role; for others, it offers exposure to a national audience at a time in their careers when such opportunities are few; for still others - especially older performers - the soaps provide a chance to be seen by the young viewers who watch daytime television in great numbers; and for well-known personalities with little or no previous acting experience, the soaps offer a sort of screen test. Finally, there are those who perform on soap opera simply because they genuinely enjoy them.

''It's better to be on a soap opera to renew your career and following than to be on any other medium,'' says Joan Fontaine, who earned an Emmy nomination for her five-day stint playing a theatrical agent on ''Ryan's Hope'' in 1979. The 64-year-old actress was one of the first stars to appreciate the career possibilities which soap opera might offer.

''It changed my image,'' says Arlene Dahl, who played Lucinda King, meddling mother of Mimi, the college co-ed, in 30 episodes of ''One Life to Live'' last December and January. Miss Dahl says that when her film and stage careers were more active, she had usually been cast as the ''glamorous, sophisticated woman who dresses well and has romances. I'd never played a family woman before.''

''It gave my image an added luster,'' says Dick Cavett of his three cameo appearances on ''All My Children'' in 1979 and 1980. Mr. Cavett admits that he originally viewed these soap-opera appearances as exercises in ''respectable slumming.'' His patronizing attitude disappeared, however, when bags of fan mail began to arrive. A large number of letters were from teen-agers and college students who said they had never seen his talk show. ''I reached an entirely new audience,'' says Mr. Cavett.

The relatively new-found popularity of soap operas, especially among teen-agers and college students, is an inducement frequently cited by these recent guest stars.

Traditionally, Hollywood luminaries have disdained television soap operas as only for the has-been or the untried aspirant. (Among the more successful actors who recent broke into the business through soap-opera are Cicely Tyson, Martin Sheen, Richard Thomas, Barnard Hughes, Jill Clayburgh, Swoozie Kurtz and James Earl Jones.) There have been exceptions, however. In the mid-1960s, Joan Crawford filled-in for her hospitalized daughter Christina on four episodes of CBS's now-defunct ''Secret Storm.'' But, by and large, established actors steered away from soap operas, long the butt of ridicule both within and outside the television industry. Indeed, the twodimensional characters seemingly forever snared in convoluted plots have provided fodder for many take-offs - one of the best known being Carol Burnett's ''As the Stomach Churns'' skits on her weekly comedy series.

Today, however, Miss Burnett is almost apologetic about her comedy routine: ''I used to be snobbish,'' she said recently. ''It's so easy to be so about things you don't know. Now I know better.'' The comedienne has become a convert to soap operas: She habitually watches ''All My Children,'' has done two cameo walk-ons on the serial, and even asked Agnes Nixon, its creator and chief writer, to create a dramatic role for her.

When Milton Berle was recently asked why he agreed to play the role of theatrical agent Micky Miller on three episodes of ''General Hospital'' last December, he said: ''Anytime I get a chance to do a straight part, I jump at it.'' But when ''Mr. Television'' was pressed further and asked why he had ignored the medium's daytime cousin for so long, he admitted: ''I've always been very busy before.''

Others offer similar explanations as to why they have recently joined the casts of soap-operas. Miss Verdon, who was asked to fill in for Mi ss Burnett whose husband suddenly became ill, put it more bluntly: ''I wasn't asked before.''

Roughly three years ago, Jacqueline Smith, vice-president of daytime programs at ABC, was searching around for ways to attract new viewers to soap operas and to keep her network's soap operas in the ratings lead. One of her ideas was to induce stars to do guest spots. Her initial attempts at recruiting leading actors were not especially promising. Though she offered them ''meaty roles,'' even a party, her efforts were rebuffed, and the party canceled. ''I couldn't get enough stars to come,'' she says.

But now, Miss Smith says her office recieves frequent inqueries from interested celebrities. According to M ichael Ogiens, vice-president of daytime and children's programs at CBS, a major reason wh y soap operas have become more palatable to stars has been the s uccess of such primetime serials as his network's ''Dallas.' ' Mary Ellis Bunim, executive producer for ''As the World Turns,' ' concurs. ''Daytime television has taken on a new credibility now that prime-time has successfully mimicked our formats,'' she says .

''I'm very pleased to see it happen,'' says Tony Geary of the trend. Mr. Geary, has played the role of Luke Spencer on ''General Hospital'' for four years now. ''We've always been considered the low-life, the dregs of the industry. Now, people have got to stand back and say 'Hey, maybe I've been wrong. Maybe acting on a soap isn't such a disgrace.' '' Indeed, for some of these celebrities, a guest role on a soap is viewed as an honor.

''Oh, it's very fashionable, darling,'' says Zsa Zsa Gabor, who played a mysterious Corsican on 10 episodes of ''As the World Turns'' last November. ''I'm very flattered.''

13 hours ago, Bright Eyes said:

@slick jones Timestamped for the start of their scenes - the two robbers are named Ryder (the one with a gun) and Kipple (the one who's been injured). Anyone have any idea the name of these actors? Obviously Kipple would be much harder to know since he has no lines in this episode, but the actor playing Ryder has basically the whole episode centered on him.

That's definitely Remsen. I don't recognize the actor playing Kippie. Hope this posts before the log-in ghost tosses me out again. @jam6242

Edited 3 hours ago3 hr by slick jones

1 hour ago, slick jones said:

That's definitely Remsen. I don't recognize the actor playing Kippie. Hope this posts before the log-in ghost tosses me out again. @jam6242

Timestamped - The credits at the beginning, unconnected to the preceding episode, prove Bert Remsen played Rider, and since Lona is credited as Corey that means the episode with Remsen listed as being in 1951 is actually from late 1953/1954, since Lona and Floyd didn't marry until then.

This episode has an unknown actor playing a young boy named Sam, who refers to Mitch as his uncle. He doesn't seem to be listed in your Hawkins Falls cast/character list. @slick jones

Slick, according to said list you're already aware that the actress playing Theresa Mayberry is unknown, but I'll post a timestamp of the episode where she first appears just in case someone else might recognize her.

Edited 1 hour ago1 hr by Bright Eyes

As people in this thread could have guessed, I have shown some interest in Hawkins Falls recently. The following are brief loglines and cast lists for each of the 11 episodes I could find on YT, in the hopeful chronological order. Since it's long, I will put it in spoiler tags. I will say having each episode begin with a hokey quote that never really has to do with the episode itself comes off strange, but it is a great marker in knowing which episodes one has and hasn't watched. I can see why it was successful, as it was easy enough to digest. But by the end, if the psychic material is anything to go by, I can see why NBC pulled the plug. However, the show could have thrived if anyone important had cared.

5/4/53: "My idea of a self confident woman is the one who'll buy a new coat without having her husband along." Ros Twohey
Lona learns Millie and Waif helped pay her bills. After initial hostilities, Don tries to befriend Sue.

Mark Roberts as Donald Yates
Bernardine Flynn as Lona Drewer
Ros Twohey as Millie Flagle
Win Stracke as Laif Flagle
Maurice Copeland as Dr. Floyd Corey
Toni Gilman as Sue Riga

10/23/53: "The person who takes advice is often wiser than the one who gives it." - Vera Ward
Millie, Elmira, and Laif realize they've been duped by May Shipley. An attempted bank robbery happens outside Lona's bookstore.

Ros Twohey as Millie Flagle
Elmira Roessler as Elmira Cleeb
Win Stracke as Laif Flagle
Bernardine Flynn as Lona Drewer
Jim Bannon as Mitch Fredericks
Vera Ward as April Winfield

1953/1954: "When a girl calls a boy by a pet name, she's after his last name." - Ros Twohey
Lona worries about Floyd, who is missing. Unbeknownst to her, he is being held at gunpoint.

Bernardine Flynn as Lona Drewer
Jim Bannon as Mitch Fredericks
Michael Golda as Dr. Floyd Corey
Ros Twohey as Millie Flagle
Helen Bernie as Betty Sawtel
Bert Remsen as Rider
Kipple

4/15/54: "Maybe I'm old fashioned, but I like to hear a man say, 'I'll ask my wife and see how she feels about it.'" - William Green
Virgil warns Lona to get Roy out of Haydenville. Floyd and Mitch question Steven Bristol, the Warden of Haydenville, and realize Roy and the boys there are living under cruel conditions.

Bernardine Flynn as Lona Corey
Art Van Harvey as Calvin Sperry
William Green as Virgil
Maurice Copeland as Dr. Floyd Corey
Jim Bannon as Mitch Fredericks
Tom Neal as Steven Bristol

4/20/54: "People who think fast on their feet make good pedestrians." - Art Van Harvey
Casey Saunders visits Floyd at his office in hopes of writing a story on the boys farm Roy has been placed. Lona laments her worries about Roy being at the boys farm to Millie and Jim.

Art Van Harvey as Calvin Sperry
Noel Mills as Casey Saunders
Maurice Copeland as Dr. Floyd Corey
Ros Twohey as Millie Flagle
Bernardine Flynn as Lona Corey
Jim Bannon as Mitch Fredericks

1954: Mitch confides in Lona about being down in the dumps. Floyd struggles about whether to perform Mitch's operation.

Jim Bannon as Mitch Fredericks
Art Van Harvey as Calvin Sperry
Bernardine Flynn as Lona Corey
Butler Manville as Johnathan Kratz
Sam

1954: "Old age will always be fifteen years older than I am." - Art Van Harvey
Calvin is put out that Toughie had no trouble running the shop on his own. Lona worries she's done wrong by Nellie. Theresa calls out Mitch for being cynical.

Art Van Harvey as Calvin Sperry
John Galvarro as Toughie Padgett
Jim Bannon as Mitch Fredericks
Bernardine Flynn as Lona Corey
Theresa Mayberry

1954: "The fellow who owns his own home is always just coming out of the hardware store." - Art Van Harvey
Millie assuages Mitch's doubts about him and Theresa. Floyd wants to fight for Nellie to stay with them, but Lona doesn't believe it's possible.

Ros Twohey as Millie Flagle
Jim Bannon as Mitch Fredericks
Art Van Harvey as Calvin Sperry
Bernardine Flynn as Lona Corey
Maurice Copeland as Dr. Floyd Corey
Brigid Bazlen as Nellie Hyden

3/31/55: "Some men can promote anything. They can turn hot air into cold cash." - Philip Lord
Myra Hendricks tries to get dirt on Mitch from Floyd. Lona and Millie try to convince Andy that he isn't psychic.

Philip Lord as Judge Willard Sharp
Maurice Copeland as Dr. Floyd Corey
Myra Martin as Myra Hendricks
Arthur Peterson as Andy Anderson
Bernardine Flynn as Lona Corey
Ros Twohey as Millie Flagle

4/1/55: "It's a funny pattern; we spend time making money, and we spend money killing time." - Jim Bannon
Mitch admits he gaslit Andy into believing he was psychic after Andy tells him he had a vision that he could risk his life and survive unharmed. Nellie worries about Floyd due to the Andy situation, while also revealing to Lona that she has a new beau.

Maurice Copeland as Dr. Floyd Corey
Jim Bannon as Mitch Fredericks
Arthur Peterson as Andy Anderson
Bernardine Flynn as Lona Corey
Brigid Bazlen as Nellie Corey

4/4/55: "If you could make a first impression last, you've made a friendship." - Ros Twohey
Everyone tries to make Andy see sense before he kills himself.

Maurice Copeland as Dr. Floyd Corey
Bernardine Flynn as Lona Corey
Jim Bannon as Mitch Fredericks
Ros Twohey as Millie Flagle
Arthur Peterson as Andy Anderson
Philip Lord as Judge Willard Sharp

And lastly, a 12th episode is on Internet Archive.

10/21/53: "That trouble follows in your footsteps, but don't let it catch up with you." - Mary Foskett
Lona and Floyd let their feelings for each other and about their future together known. Sue leaves Mitch confused with her hot and cold routine.

Maurice Copeland as Dr. Floyd Corey
Vivian Laswell as May Shipley
Bernardine Flynn as Lona Drewer
Jim Bannon as Mitch Fredericks
Mary Foskett as Cleo Hollister
Toni Gilman as Sue Riga

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