Members soapfan770 Posted March 2 Members Share Posted March 2 Coach had very similar issues that Wings had. Both shows were decent enough timeslot hits (Coach after Roseanne, Wings after Cheers) both were at least mildly entertaining to watch at least in the early years, yet neither show proved they could stand on their own once they got moved around to other timeslots and eventually as changes occurred to both shows (Thomas Hayden Church leaving Wings, Coach changing settings from Minnesota to Florida) both shows became unremarkable and collapsed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dragonflies Posted March 2 Members Share Posted March 2 Wings was an awesome show and definitely way funnier than Coach could ever have dreamed of being lol 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bongobong Posted March 2 Members Share Posted March 2 You're both right actually. Only the final episode of MacGyver aired on a Saturday, following the last episodes of Who's The Boss and Growing Pains. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members kalbir Posted March 2 Author Members Share Posted March 2 Not to derail this thread but this reminds me of when Fox tried to sabotage Central Park West with a second hour of Beverly Hills 90210 head-to-head w/ Central Park West premiere and a new Melrose Place head-to-head w/ Central Park West episode 2. 1996/97 CBS moved Diagnosis Murder from Friday 9 pm to Thursday 8 pm. That looks like a tank job yet CBS still kept Diagnosis Murder. Remember too that CBS was in another primetime mess era from Fall 1994 until Spring 2000 so they kept a good number of shows that showed little to no growth because not much was working as far as new shows go. CBS was really in no position to have any tank jobs so alot of their scheduling moves were probably fill space on the schedule. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members te. Posted March 2 Members Share Posted March 2 Yup. They were so-called "satellite" hits. Shows that were in proximity of an actual huge hit and they fed off it - I think comedies also had an easier time to retain viewers because at worst they're mildly amusing to spend an half hour (while maybe doing something else), especially if you're not going to switch the channel anyway. NBC's Thursday murder night of Friends / Satellite Comedy / Seinfeld / Satellite Comedy / ER was a factory plant for these sort of "false" hits. What's funny about Coach is that they were going to reboot it a decade or so ago, but realised once giving it a direct-to-series order that it wasn't going to work. Allegedly the stars got paid for the entire episode order (I believe it was ten episodes), but I think only a pilot was filmed, if that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Khan Posted March 3 Members Share Posted March 3 I think "Diagnosis: Murder" suffered from the same problem as did "Murder, She Wrote." In both cases, the network underestimated the type of demographic that the show drew, simply because the lead actor was of a certain age. It's like CBS totally forgot that, thanks to Nick at Nite and "Mary Poppins," even younger viewers knew and enjoyed watching Dick Van Dyke, just as younger people liked watching Angela Lansbury on MSW because they might have known her from "Bedknobs and Broomsticks" and, later, "Beauty and the Beast." IIRC - and it's been eons, so forgive me - they actually were in the middle of taping the pilot/first episode (in front of a studio audience?) when either Craig T. Nelson or Barry Kemp stopped taping, realized it wasn't going to work and called off the rest of the series, lol. God, when I think about the number of mediocre-to-awful shows that passed through NBC's Must-See TV lineup over the years.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Vee Posted March 3 Members Share Posted March 3 (edited) That would be hilarious, but I thought they filmed the pilot and NBC saw it and immediately called it off. Here's TV Insider's version. Edited March 3 by Vee 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members kalbir Posted March 3 Author Members Share Posted March 3 NBC got away with scheduling garbage shows at Thursday 8:30 pm and 9:30 pm during the Seinfeld/ER/Friends era that would finish in the Top 10 because both CBS and ABC were in their primetime mess eras. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members soapfan770 Posted March 3 Members Share Posted March 3 So true, and I think CBS also had an identity crisis of what it wanted to be during this era. For every Central Park West, High Society, and that terrible Andrew Dice Clay sitcom, we’d get a show like a New York News with MTM and Madeline Khan or a show like Orleans with Larry Hagman, a show CBS went all in on. CBS actually moved Orleans to try to save it by giving placing Orleans in a 9PMET spot thinking people would be familiar with a Larry Hagman drama in that slot Please register in order to view this content Too bad that didn’t happen to that Mad About You revival that, no one, I mean one asked for. And of course it didn’t work. For the record I thought Bill Fagerbakke was probably the only good thing about Coach I liked and that’s being kind lol. Wings was indeed funnier and watchable until 1995 or so. Ah I know we’ve examined the CBS mess era in the past, and while 97-98 was the nadir they managed to come in at number #2 while ABC was dealing with a different sort of animal at the time. Maybe soon we’ll examine the disaster that was the Jamie Tarses (RIP) era that caused ABC to plummet to #3. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members kalbir Posted March 3 Author Members Share Posted March 3 1996 ABC was sold to Disney. ABC primetime mess era started 1995/96 when Roseanne fell out of the Top 10 and ended 1999/2000 with the breakout success of Who Wants to be a Millionaire. Monday Night Football and Home Improvement were really the only hits ABC had in that era. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Paul Raven Posted March 3 Members Share Posted March 3 Attempted sabotage. When Fred Silverman came on board at NBC the first show he got on the air was Diffrent Strokes and he cannily placed it Fri @8 up against Donny and Marie and Wonder Woman, 2 weak shows. So ABC puts a new ep of Happy Days in a 'special event' Friday slot to blunt Strokes. It worked. Strokes had a lowly 25 share, HD a 34. But viewers came back to NBC in the following weeks and DS was a much needed hit for them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Khan Posted March 3 Members Share Posted March 3 Thank you, @Vee, for the clarification. Maybe I'm remembering a different show, lol? Yup! "Millionaire" came along at the right time for ABC. Unfortunately, I think the show became a crutch of sorts for the network, who scheduled it on so many nights that, I think, the public became sick of it and wanted it gone. I feel like the only ones who truly enjoyed MAY (both the original series and the revival) were Paul Reiser and Helen Hunt. Everyone else couldn't be bothered. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members soapfan770 Posted March 3 Members Share Posted March 3 Yep by 2002 after shoving Millionaire on like every night lol, Millionaire was gone off the network and into syndication, while ABC fell into a another mess era where it became the first Big 3 network to rank at #4 behind Fox. ABC’s fortunes wouldn’t turn around until the 2004-05 season when finally caught a break with multiple big hits. LMAO especially probably Reiser. I think the show was wayyy too NYC centric which is why it failed in syndication and just wasn’t funny overall. I like Hunt as actress but I was puzzled by all those endless Emmy wins. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Vee Posted March 3 Members Share Posted March 3 (edited) Mad About You (like Everybody Loves Raymond) was one of those shows that was treated like the pinnacle of situation comedy as a medium during its run (or at least the latter half in Mad's case) and is now largely forgotten in syndication/streaming since. I think in MAY's case that had to do with two well-known stars and particularly Helen Hunt becoming a movie star in its later seasons, and the goodwill they had. How Raymond got the same hype I'll never understand. Edited March 3 by Vee 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dragonflies Posted March 3 Members Share Posted March 3 MAY was a fairly good show overall, at least to me lol 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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