7 minutes ago, carolineg said:

It seems like the show has really cooled on the Molly/TJ/Kristina surrogacy story, so I guess Kristina/Blaze suffer.

It makes me wonder if the show is just moving on from the Sonny/Nina romance entirely.  We get to hear enough about Willow and Michael's feelings, but Nina seems much more concerned about Crimson.  Which is fine.   I just find it a very perplexing choice.

Perhaps these things are just vestiges of a show in transition. Maybe these things will begin to make sense soon. We can hope. Meanwhile, yes, very perplexing choices! 

10 minutes ago, titan1978 said:

The Sonny/Nina thing is indicative of the issues the whole show has. It’s too genial, safe, and lacks stakes. The characters are all too nice. Even Cary and Drew’s crime was boring that the angst is based on!

Some quick thoughts- when Sonny is angry with a partner, especially if betrayal is on the table, he is pretty much abusive in his treatment of them. That’s the real Sonny. That’s what is missing with Nina.

Carly and Sonny getting along with Ava makes little sense. Ava could still have relationships like with Nikolas and Trina even, but still be her psychotic self underneath. Carly and Liz should have been at each other over their kid’s issues and Liz keeping Esme secret. That’s who Carly is.

There should be someone on the canvas that is not cool with Aiden Webber’s sexuality, preferably that nightmare brat Charlotte like they set up all those years ago, especially since his brother is interested in her.

One of the things I loved in Genie’s scenes last week with Kevin, Sonny, and Cyrus was she played anger. She doesn’t care if Laura is always perfect or likable.

Yes!  Sonny's reaction just seems so tame.  So unlike him when he's betrayed by a woman.  He's basically ambivalent about the whole thing.  He is still wearing his wedding ring and hasn't filed for divorce, but it's not even his focus right now.  Drew is the most angry about it all and he was in prison for 10 min for a crime he did commit, so I don't care about his pain.

The Ava/Sonny/Carly stuff has never made sense.  They shouldn't like her and she shouldn't like them.  There is no reason on Earth they should all get along.  It adds nothing to the story.

I actually don't mind Liz and Carly getting along, but I do find it weird Carly gets along with basically everyone (Alexis, Sam, Ava, Liz, etc.) that should be some of her lifelong enemies.  It just seems like a way to prop Carly and make me think anyone that dislikes her is very in the wrong. 

27 minutes ago, titan1978 said:

Carly and Sonny getting along with Ava makes little sense.

Personally I buy this because of Avery. And they've done due diligence with dialogue about the child being the connection there that makes it work. Carly even invited Ava to stay overnight so she would be there in the morning when Avery woke up after Ava was almost killed recently. Avery is akin to a hinge which makes a gate swing open between people who should be adversarial by all accounts, but are not. And unlike Violet I love the Avery actress. 

1 hour ago, carolineg said:

Yes!  Sonny's reaction just seems so tame.  So unlike him when he's betrayed by a woman.  He's basically ambivalent about the whole thing.  He is still wearing his wedding ring and hasn't filed for divorce, but it's not even his focus right now.  Drew is the most angry about it all and he was in prison for 10 min for a crime he did commit, so I don't care about his pain.

The Ava/Sonny/Carly stuff has never made sense.  They shouldn't like her and she shouldn't like them.  There is no reason on Earth they should all get along.  It adds nothing to the story.

I actually don't mind Liz and Carly getting along, but I do find it weird Carly gets along with basically everyone (Alexis, Sam, Ava, Liz, etc.) that should be some of her lifelong enemies.  It just seems like a way to prop Carly and make me think anyone that dislikes her is very in the wrong. 

Just to clarify, I don’t want the kind of constant, misogynistic rivalries between women that dominated the Guza era of the show. Or the men. What I want is the natural disagreements and temperaments that exist in the real world and on the show in the past. Sonny is volatile. Tracy should be calculating and also at times a snob. The list could go on.

It feels increasingly like GH IRL is a nice place to work with lovely people, and that has bled over onscreen.

15 minutes ago, titan1978 said:

Just to clarify, I don’t want the kind of constant, misogynistic rivalries between women that dominated the Guza era of the show. Or the men. What I want is the natural disagreements and temperaments that exist in the real world and on the show in the past. Sonny is volatile. Tracy should be calculating and also at times a snob. The list could go on.

It feels increasingly like GH IRL is a nice place to work with lovely people, and that has bled over onscreen.

Yes, I do get what you are saying.  You don't want catfights weekly, but for characters to at least have conflicts.  A lot of long term rivalries have seem to be lost.  It's all very dull.

We've been saying it for a few years now but yes, all this. It seems like the writing actively attempts to keep all popular characters friendly with each other to appease what they feel is their remaining audience lol. So conflict dies too quickly: Ava slaughtered Connie as part of a cover-up to establish a rival empire to Sonny's, yet because they want to keep Maura West she's chummy with Sonny and now Carly. Ava and Nina are BFF despite their very dark history, which I can at least forgive because the show has acknowledged that strangeness. And Carly, Sam and Elizabeth are all good.

50 minutes ago, Vee said:

We've been saying it for a few years now but yes, all this. It seems like the writing actively attempts to keep all popular characters friendly with each other to appease what they feel is their remaining audience lol. So conflict dies too quickly: Ava slaughtered Connie as part of a cover-up to establish a rival empire to Sonny's, yet because they want to keep Maura West she's chummy with Sonny and now Carly. Ava and Nina are BFF despite their very dark history, which I can at least forgive because the show has acknowledged that strangeness. And Carly, Sam and Elizabeth are all good.

I think the Ava/Sonny/Carly friendship helps to keep MW/Ava more relevant since she doesn't really have a ton to do right now.   I really think it's more of giving Ava something, anything to do than it actually making sense.

I don't really mind Liz, Carly, and Sam getting along.  I don't think their friendships really add anything to the show.  Again, it would be nice if someone besides Nina just didn't like Carly for long standing reasons.  Even Lois seems to be on the Carly bandwagon and they hardly know one another.

Edited February 10, 20241 yr by carolineg

12 minutes ago, carolineg said:

  Even Lois seems to be on the Carly bandwagon and they hardly no one another.

That's either a great typo or a great autocorrect! I guess we could say they yes one another. 

8 minutes ago, Donna L. Bridges said:

That's either a great typo or a great autocorrect! I guess we could say they yes one another. 

Ha!  Autocorrect.  I fixed it.

Edited February 10, 20241 yr by carolineg

13 minutes ago, carolineg said:

Ha!  Autocorrect.  I fixed it.

Hate autocorrect!!! So I try to have a sense of humor about it!

When you attempt to type: A rabbi, a priest & a minister walk into a bar together & it fixes rabbi by adding a t at the end. 

 

1 hour ago, Vee said:

We've been saying it for a few years now but yes, all this. It seems like the writing actively attempts to keep all popular characters friendly with each other to appease what they feel is their remaining audience lol. So conflict dies too quickly: Ava slaughtered Connie as part of a cover-up to establish a rival empire to Sonny's, yet because they want to keep Maura West she's chummy with Sonny and now Carly. Ava and Nina are BFF despite their very dark history, which I can at least forgive because the show has acknowledged that strangeness. And Carly, Sam and Elizabeth are all good.

It just baffles me that Maura West does not have her own storyline and when she finally did they ended up bringing others into it so it wasn't just HER storyline, and then completely removed her from it. Like, WTF.

7 hours ago, carolineg said:

Sonny's reaction just seems so tame.  So unlike him when he's betrayed by a woman.  He's basically ambivalent about the whole thing.  He is still wearing his wedding ring and hasn't filed for divorce, but it's not even his focus right now.

I'm choosing to interpret that as Sonny realizing he never really loved Nina as much as he thought he did, lol.

9 minutes ago, Khan said:

I'm choosing to interpret that as Sonny realizing he never really loved Nina as much as he thought he did, lol.

I would agree, but that's not exactly the dialogue we are getting.  It's like Sonny's saying he's really upset and does care, but I just feel a big 🤷‍♀️from Sonny about the entire thing despite his words.  Nina is always about 10 mins from a breakdown, but she doesn't seem to care that much either and wants to just start a new magazine.  It's not like I am personally sad about the development I just don't get it.  

Okay, I have my 7 charges to the new writers! 
#1-Marcus Taggert: Reål Andrews said he would be there with bells on if GH called. Call him! 
#2-Cut from the cast: Violet, Gregory, Finn, Maxie, Spinelli, Maxie's children except James, Marshall, Stella & Drew.
#3-Maintain all of the Qs except Drew. Maintain Lois, guest of the Qs. Maintain the Davis women & TJ & Blaze. Maintain Carly, Ava, Trina, Dante, Sam, Sam's kids, Liz & Liz's kids. Maintain Laura, Kevin & Anna.

#4-Make sure stories have stakes & pay-off. 
#5-Try to write well-paced stories with balance. 
#6-See a little less of Sonny, Nina, Carly & Jason. 
#7-Remember to tell stories about the hospital.

16 hours ago, carolineg said:

I think the Ava/Sonny/Carly friendship helps to keep MW/Ava more relevant since she doesn't really have a ton to do right now.   I really think it's more of giving Ava something, anything to do than it actually making sense.

I do think there's a chance they've also been chumming the waters for Sonny and Ava to hook up again, as some have mentioned. A lot of people would say 'oh no, he'd never go there again after Connie, A.J. etc' but I remember how close Sonny came to fúcking Faith Rosco, who he never had nearly as functional a relationship with as Ava (who he should regard as an enemy the same as Faith tbh). When Sonny is down bad enough, bipolar or on his ego/pity trip he'll fúck anything. Avery is living proof of that.

Edited February 11, 20241 yr by Vee