2 minutes ago, Vee said:

Every time people finds something dickish a celebrity did it always becomes this run-up lately to people going 'ohhhh I'm totally fine with the recast now' and cheering on whatever dumbass story move this show or others do. I'm not going to do that because not only do I not care about Jagger as a character coming back and think he is needless and unnecessary, I also don't care about ASJ. We have known he is a MAGA nutjob for years. Nothing new is being imparted here. That doesn't change the fact that this recast actor is an embarrassing choice for Jagger, who was always, as Khan noted, at the very least 'an ethnic type'.

It was a dumb idea to bring Jagger back and it's a dumber idea to cast a guy from Great American Family auditions in the role. The prior actor being a dumbass does not suddenly make this a great idea lol.

Yes!  The key reason this recast is being accepted is because ASJ is an ass.  As I said before it's anyone but ASJ.  Which is fine but that's not the underlying point of having a blonde Jagger recast

 

1 minute ago, carolineg said:

Yes!  The key reason this recast is being accepted is because ASJ is an ass.  As I said before it's anyone but ASJ.  Which is fine but that's not the underlying point of having a blonde Jagger recast

 

Well Ive watched Adam on Many things and he can act, so that is a plus for me. Who the hell knows what GH has planned. They may not even know.

2 minutes ago, Vee said:

The key reason FV has avoided Brenda like the plague. She is too big an imprint for the show he has tried to craft and control according to his careful specifications, with characters he mostly has created or invested in.

There is no way you could make Brenda cow tow to Carly without a massive fan outcry, so it wouldn't be worth it to even try to make them on level playing fields.  Carly will always feel below Brenda because of her upbringing and complex about her.  She's will always be second choice and even LW's Carly was self-aware of this while concocting ridiculous schemes to take Brenda out.  Any other narrative about the situation would be weird and off.

The thing with VM and returning is I dont see her committing to longer than a year then leaving after said year. Why bring her back, write up a story just to end it quickly

3 minutes ago, John said:

Well Ive watched Adam on Many things and he can act, so that is a plus for me. Who the hell knows what GH has planned. They may not even know.

I don't really care if he can act.  I am sure he can, but we are recasting an Italian ethnic actor with a very non Italian, ethnic actor.  I am sure you can understand that's a bit bizarre and off putting.

Just now, carolineg said:

I don't really care if he can act.  I am sure he can, but we are recasting an Italian ethnic actor with a very non Italian, ethnic actor.  I am sure you can understand that's a bit bizarre and off putting.

Yes it is. That is why I hope they do have something planned for John Jagger Cates because if at the end of the day, they dont then why cast AH as Jagger. AH could have been random FBI agent if thats all he is used for. Time will tell. 

1 minute ago, John said:

The thing with VM and returning is I dont see her committing to longer than a year then leaving after said year. Why bring her back, write up a story just to end it quickly

I don't disagree with the sentiment.  In fact I agree with the 2 year contract, but the fact we are trying to mandate Vanessa to make a decision to spend years of her life at this show so she can appear is odd.  Rena is appearing in a recurring fashion and no one minds that.  

4 minutes ago, carolineg said:

I don't disagree with the sentiment.  In fact I agree with the 2 year contract, but the fact we are trying to mandate Vanessa to make a decision to spend years of her life at this show so she can appear is odd.  Rena is appearing in a recurring fashion and no one minds that.  

Rena did say that Frank told her that she was not getting a contract. Rena is enjoying Lois again as are the fans so I bet thats why she is staying. I am not sure GH would want Brenda as a recurring character. 

11 minutes ago, Vee said:

Every time people finds something dickish a celebrity did it always becomes this run-up lately to people going 'ohhhh I'm totally fine with the recast now' and cheering on whatever dumbass story move this show or others do. I'm not going to do that because not only do I not care about Jagger as a character coming back and think he is needless and unnecessary, I also don't care about ASJ. We have known he is a MAGA nutjob for years. Nothing new is being imparted here. That doesn't change the fact that this recast actor is an embarrassing choice for Jagger, who was always, as Khan noted, at the very least 'an ethnic type'.

It was a dumb idea to bring Jagger back and it's a dumber idea to cast a guy from Great American Family auditions in the role. The prior actor being a dumbass does not suddenly make this a great idea lol.

 

8 minutes ago, carolineg said:

Yes!  The key reason this recast is being accepted is because ASJ is an ass.  As I said before it's anyone but ASJ.  Which is fine but that's not the underlying point of having a blonde Jagger recast

Thank you!  Thank you to you both!

Look, I'm not trying to start an argument here.  I've done enough of that on SON, lol.  But I really think some of y'all are allowing your opinions about ASJ to color (no pun intended) your opinions about this particular recast. 

IMO, you don't need to be a fan of Jagger's or of ASJ's to see that what Frank Valentini has done here is nothing short of whitewashing, which is absolutely the wrong thing to do, especially in this day and age.  Instead of holding him and the network accountable, however, you'd rather look the other way or prattle on about relatively trivial matters, like whether this means Jagger's son is coming to the show.

13 minutes ago, John said:

Well Ive watched Adam on Many things and he can act, so that is a plus for me. Who the hell knows what GH has planned. They may not even know.

So, then, you're totally okay if Frank were to decide one day to recast Jordan again with, say, Jessica Tuck or Melissa Archer.  Got it.  Thank you.

You can't tell me that Frank couldn't have recasted Jagger with someone who was equally talented and Italian or Latino.  That's bullshit and y'all know it.

10 minutes ago, carolineg said:

I don't really care if he can act.  I am sure he can, but we are recasting an Italian ethnic actor with a very non Italian, ethnic actor.  I am sure you can understand that's a bit bizarre and off putting.

It sure as [!@#$%^&*] is off-putting.  Thank you again, @carolineg!

16 minutes ago, John said:

That is why I hope they do have something planned for John Jagger Cates because if at the end of the day, they dont then why cast AH as Jagger.

Nothing they might have planned for Jagger will excuse this casting.  Nothing.

Nothing against Adam Harrington either, but I wish enough of a fuss were raised to force ABCD to do something about this.  Fire him, fire Frank, fire them both, I don't care, but do not allow this to go on unchallenged.

11 minutes ago, Khan said:

 

Thank you!  Thank you to you both!

Look, I'm not trying to start an argument here.  I've done enough of that on SON, lol.  But I really think some of y'all are allowing your opinions about ASJ to color (no pun intended) your opinions about this particular recast. 

IMO, you don't need to be a fan of Jagger's or of ASJ's to see that what Frank Valentini has done here is nothing short of whitewashing, which is absolutely the wrong thing to do, especially in this day and age.  Instead of holding him and the network accountable, however, you'd rather look the other way or prattle on about relatively trivial matters, like whether this means Jagger's son is coming to the show.

So, then, you're totally okay if Frank were to decide one day to recast Jordan again with, say, Jessica Tuck or Melissa Archer.  Got it.  Thank you.

You can't tell me that Frank couldn't have recasted Jagger with someone who was equally talented and Italian or Latino.  That's bullshit and y'all know it.

It sure as [!@#$%^&*] is off-putting.  Thank you again, @carolineg!

Nothing they might have planned for Jagger will excuse this casting.  Nothing.

Nothing against Adam Harrington either, but I wish enough of a fuss were raised to force ABCD to do something about this.  Fire him, fire Frank, fire them both, I don't care, but do not allow this to go on unchallenged.

So fire Adam for just accepting a job, ughh

1 minute ago, John said:

So fire Adam for just accepting a job, ughh

I'm sorry, I don't blame him taking the job, but yes.  Fire him.  If only because he shouldn't have been given the job in the first damn place.

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Where was the outrage when they recast Sydney Mikayla as Trina when the OG Trina, Tiana Le  is African-Asian and what about the skin tone differences of all three Jordans. Seemed those werent that much of an issue but AH as John Jagger Cates is. Not saying it wasnt jarring but AH casting is causing all this ire when the Trina and jordan recasts did not have much

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1 minute ago, John said:

Where was the outrage when they recast Sydney Mikayla as Trina when the OG Trina was African-Asian and what about the skin tone differences of all three Jordans. Seemed those werent that much of an issue but AH as John Jagger Cates is. Not saying it wasnt jarring but AH casting is causing all this ire when the Trina and jordan recasts did not have much

Perhaps, if I had followed GH more closely at that time, and I had been more aware of those castings or recastings, I would have been outraged about that, too.  Now that you have brought those to my attention, however - yeah, those instances were heinous as well.

Just now, Khan said:

Perhaps, if I had followed GH more closely at that time, and I had been more aware of those castings or recastings, I would have been outraged about that, too.  Now that you have brought those to my attention, however - yeah, those instances were heinous as well.

Yes FV is petty. ASJ tweeting about him probably got the Jagger recast idea in his head and he probably thought I wanna go 180 away from ASJ.

FV has done this before with The Valerie recast. That poor actress Paulina(?) I stand by they only recast because The OG Valerie booked Y & R

10 minutes ago, John said:

he probably thought I wanna go 180 away from ASJ

Well, you can't get more 180 than Whole Foods Jagger, I suppose.

BTW, @carolineg, Brenda recast: