Members Aback Posted March 21, 2020 Members Share Posted March 21, 2020 Found this interesting article- not sure where to post it: https://pictorial.jezebel.com/the-complex-contradictory-history-of-the-american-soap-1842365076 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DramatistDreamer Posted March 22, 2020 Members Share Posted March 22, 2020 Many of the topics discussed in the article have been bandied about on this messageboard but I really found it interesting that she talked about how DS introduced the idea of characters being revived from the dead and how other soap operas started to incorporate that in their shows. Probably because I'm not as studied on DS history and themes as others, but I don't think I've ever quite thought of it that way. It was a pretty decent article and I'm going to assume that the book would discuss a more diverse array of soaps and topics even withing a moderately feminist framework. I would love to read the book sometime but I have a feeling that it will be quite awhile until I can get access to anything that is not an ebook or an audiobook download. I've been saying for years that the daytime drama really deserves a Ken Burnsian docuseries. The history is vast, spanning from radio to TV to the world wide web. It would be great if some podcast could interview Elana Levine. I think one of the key elements to getting more respect for the soaps would be to open it up to more scholars to do podcasts and vlog interviews. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members All My Shadows Posted March 22, 2020 Members Share Posted March 22, 2020 I ordered the book, and I'll just cross my fingers that it'll get here when it gets here...hopefully within the next six months? Lots of interesting things in the article, and the table of contents for the book is exciting. Have we had a general good soap book produced since the 90s? I'm looking forward to seeing what hindsight says about the dying days of the 2000s. Also looking for anything new in the parts about the 60s and 70s. One part of the article that I was kinda meh about was how she seemed to praise the idea that Guiding Light could, in decade, be about the marital troubles of Bill and Bert Bauer but then, several decades later, have their sons running around in a jungle. To me, that was some of the most damaging sht to happen to daytime - not specifically GL men running through jungles but the fact that shows just so carelessly turned on a dime and went from domestic character studies to the type of stuff that only gets play in B action movies that are rerun on Saturday afternoons between WNBA games and Flipper reruns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Paul Raven Posted March 22, 2020 Members Share Posted March 22, 2020 I don;t know that there is much of a connection there. DS was from the outset a particular type of show which took the gothic theme and extended into the supernatural. In the late 60's/70's it didn't become common as a result of DS. Other shows had used 'back from the dead' before and after but it was done sparingly - and for story purposes - not to accommodate the return of an actor or a popular character..eg Phil GH, Paul Raven LOL It wasn't until the 80's that it became the common trope whereby an actor departed , was killed off and then returned. Days did it with Patch, Marlena, Hope etc when those actors departed/returned and used it for other characters for a story twist. There were the worse culprits but other shows did it too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DramatistDreamer Posted March 22, 2020 Members Share Posted March 22, 2020 Like I said, this is all new to me since I really never followed DS all that much, nor do I claim to know its history or BTS dynamics. I was saying that this was an interesting statement because I'd never thought or heard of this before. I am intrigued to see what more is in the book and how she expands on her hypothesis. I'm no expert on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Aback Posted March 22, 2020 Author Members Share Posted March 22, 2020 I understand where you're coming from. I think you and I speak as fans of the show, while the author of the book addresses the issues much more from an academic perspective, ie. it's amazing what soaps resorted to in order to survive. In hindsight, it kinda worked... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DramatistDreamer Posted March 22, 2020 Members Share Posted March 22, 2020 The book certainly sounds like an interesting reading. It's an interview on a blog so I didn't expect for a fully fleshed out analysis on the genre but I certainly hope that there is more depth and breadth than what was presented in the interview. What I do like is the fact that the idea of a moderate feminist sensibility (with some caveats) is being explored and the acknowledgement that soaps were often denigrated and diminished in the eyes of many simply because its largest audience were women. No offense to bloggers and such but, I think the genre needs more scholars who take a serious analysis if we're ever going to get a thorough documentary series (a la Ken Burns documentary series). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members te. Posted March 27, 2020 Members Share Posted March 27, 2020 Once upon a time "back from the dead" stories weren't so outlandish, they were based upon women's men going to war, being declared dead in battle and then returning due to them being declared MIA or just being misidentified. I've told this before, but my grandfather was declared MIA/dead for two years during WWII. I can only imagine how common this was back in the day. Later day soaps started messing with this concept though with people being seen as dying on screen and then returning back due to supernatural reasons. Hello Days of our Lives! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members titan1978 Posted March 27, 2020 Members Share Posted March 27, 2020 Presumed dead was a common theme in all the old soap history books I read when they were published in the 1990’s. Which was actually easier to deal with on the shows too. Roman (John) returning was the first time I remember watching what we would now call a back from the dead storyline. Outlandish plastic surgery (his entire body type and height changed), brainwashing, amnesia, etc. Look at all the mileage that GH got from Laura disappearing on the docks, Luke “dying” in the avalanche. That was only a couple of years before the DAYS storyline. By the late 1990’s we had comatose Lesley back from the dead. Another 15 years and Ron brings back Frank Smith (who was old AF in the 70’s), AJ and Duke just to wipe them all out again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Aback Posted March 27, 2020 Author Members Share Posted March 27, 2020 That's so interesting. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members All My Shadows Posted March 31, 2020 Members Share Posted March 31, 2020 My copy came in today. I'm hoping to start reading it tomorrow! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Members DramatistDreamer Posted April 1, 2020 Members Share Posted April 1, 2020 It would've been fun to have a kind of book club and discuss it as a group. If my library were carrying an e-copy of this, I'd check it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members All My Shadows Posted April 6, 2020 Members Share Posted April 6, 2020 Yes, this would have been a great experience, especially when I'm sure many members here have more time to read now. I'm glad my copied made it here so quickly. I've read the first three chapters, and I'm hooked. I'll discuss more if/when others get the book, but the first two chapters, focusing on the transition of soaps from radio to TV, have been particularly interesting. They solidify my long-held belief that soaps have been shat on by the TV community-at-large since day one. There was hesitance at even bringing soaps to TV because they somehow had represented the lowest of what radio had to offer and would only taint this new and sophisticated entertainment medium. There are great passages on how the early TV soap PTB made efforts to distance their shows from the aging radio serials as well as how they laid the groundwork for some of the major visual conventions of soaps (for example, tight close-ups, as staid as they seem now, were super exciting at a time when people were used to NOT seeing faces at all). The feminist aspect is actually pretty interesting, too. She argues that much of the disparagement soaps received on radio and in the early days of TV was rooted in misogyny towards "women's entertainment," and apparently housewives who watched TV soaps in the early 50s were characterized as lazy because they couldn't do household chores while watching as opposed to when they just had to listen to their soaps. She also explores theories on why women watched soaps, connections with the works of people like Betty Friedan, and how TPTB's perception of who was watching influenced their storywriting. @DramatistDreamer It definitely gives me Ken Burns vibes, especially with Country Music still fresh in my mind. Nothing has been overlooked, and plenty of soaps are called out specifically to support the claims being made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Paul Raven Posted April 6, 2020 Members Share Posted April 6, 2020 Sounds very interesting. That attitude towards the radio soaps ( there was a major debate about their affect on listener's emotional state) led TPTB to believe that heavy drama wouldn't work on TV so the earliest soaps like First Hundred Years and Egg and I were much more light hearted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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