I dount Agnes has any influence at all if this goes through.

It is because she is not well. Is that why her influence with the show has slid? Because like I said, she was the one who wrote T&D's miscarriage in 1999 while the show was in transition between McTavish and Passante.

I don't watch AMC but as an outsider I can tell this is a stupid move.

Detractors of modern daytime soaps slam them for being throwaway, melodramatic trash. Now one of the occasions where the show did something socially relevant and groundbreaking (as Agnes Nixon intended her shows to do) is tossed aside for a dumb airport novel style plot twist.

Where is the integrity?

It's as bad as Days taking a still born baby and turning it into a 18 year old heartless !@#$%^&*] who killed her brother.

Someone told me that the comercial feature erica/madman/josh and said something about eggs, I thought the comercial was referring to madman being josh's father.

It's as bad as Days taking a still born baby and turning it into a 18 year old heartless !@#$%^&*] who killed her brother.

I agree. But Days being Days I tend to cut it more slack. It's what I expect from the show.

That's the damn problem. Why can't a daytime soap remain socially relevant instead of them all turning into clones of each other with outrageous plot twists?

That's the damn problem. Why can't a daytime soap remain socially relevant instead of them all turning into clones of each other with outrageous plot twists?

I don't think AMC is trying to be like another soap. It’s just McT trying to save herself with a ratings stunt...but I don't think it will work this time.

I agree. But Days being Days I tend to cut it more slack. It's what I expect from the show.

That's the damn problem. Why can't a daytime soap remain socially relevant instead of them all turning into clones of each other with outrageous plot twists?

the problem is the same writers have been causing a stink on all these shows for years. They never hire new blood, they just keep getting hacks like Jack Smith and McTrash to dish out the most uninspired tripe and it goes unnoticed because daytime is like a bastard child locked in the attic when it comes to television. Nobody pays attention to it.

Look at the amazing revamp ATWT had when Hogan Sheffer joined, he was a complete outsider - you can tell they havent even taken note of what new blood can do to invigorate a show. AMC can still be saved by a talented headwriter, they just have to start LOOKING FOR ONE, maybe get graduates with literature/theatre/writing degrees to submit material? Or playwrights>? There are a lot of writing geniuses out there who could totally thrive if they got a gig like a daytime soap.

Claire Labine's glorious reign at GH in the mid 90s was definatly the socially relevant show you idealise James F. See if you can acquire edits of her storylines.

If this is true susan lucci needs to put her foot down, they are ruining her soap legacy. This is beyond stupid, the stolen egg theory would be more believable. I can't believe amc would do this, BURN MCCRAP AT THE STAKE ASAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It’s just McT trying to save herself with a ratings stunt...but I don't think it will work this time.

When has any of her stunts worked????

It's shocking and wrong and horrible at first, but last night, I really thought about it for the first time...

When this happens, Josh is going to be Erica's son and Jeff's son. Now whether or not we get some good Josh/Martins scenes, that's still up for debate, BUT, if we do, and they turn out to be amazing, I could probably, slowly, begin to accept the rewrite. Look at it this way: if Erica's abortion was just another throwaway daytime abortion, I doubt anyone would have a problem with it. It'd be a great way to link the show's past to its present.

BUT, the abortion being the legendary event that it was, this definitely stains the whole thing quite a bit. BUT, does it in anyway affect the importance and affect it had on audiences back in 1973? It was still the first legal abortion on daytime TV, but now we know that it didn't really happen. It was thought to be the first legal abortion, but it really wasn't.

I know that most of this will fall on deaf ears, but that's fine. I'll choose to feel my own way about the whole situation. I'm going to look on the bright side.

How can you possibly justify this abhorrent twist?!! You call yourself a fan? I know you love the show come hell or highwater but please, try and see that this is NOT the AMC we cherish. Its campy without being convincing, its cringeworthy, it shitting upon somebody else's hard work and its a PATHETIC ratings stunt.

How can you stand by McTrash after this?

When has any of her stunts worked????

Well, her stunts worked in the early '90s. I'm not sure if you watched back then.

The Natalie/Janet story made the ratings shoot up, and then the Tad/Ted Orsini story made them rise even more. That's when AMC had an 8.7 rating.

Look at the amazing revamp ATWT had when Hogan Sheffer joined, he was a complete outsider - you can tell they havent even taken note of what new blood can do to invigorate a show.

Claire Labine's glorious reign at GH in the mid 90s was definatly the socially relevant show you idealise James F. See if you can acquire edits of her storylines.

I have always been curious about Claire Labine's period at GH. The only period I've watched for any length of time is the current Pruza bonanza which speaks for itself.

The thing is, I can accept the likes of Days and Passions. I still think they are shabbily executed and need serious tightening up but there's room for fantasy and different kinds of storytelling. I enjoy well done trash as much as the next person.

But with some of the writers and shows (I'm not going to generalise over all), the content is worse than [!@#$%^&*]. It's [!@#$%^&*] with perfume sprayed on it to make it seem nicer than it actually is. In essence, rotten cores with a few passable moments.

And please no AMC fans be offended. The abortion story is merely a start off point for me to rant lol.

HACK!!!!

Well, her stunts worked in the early '90s. I'm not sure if you watched back then.

The Natalie/Janet story made the ratings shoot up, and then the Tad/Ted Orsini story made them rise even more. That's when AMC had an 8.7 rating.

I started watching in august of 1994, but I didn't know she was the writer back then.

Well, her stunts worked in the early '90s. I'm not sure if you watched back then.

She was a good writer, back then. I loved AMC in the early 90s. It was probably my favorite time for AMC, but now I think she's lost what she once had. I don't even like watching AMC anymore..

She was a good writer, back then. I loved AMC in the early 90s. It was probably my favorite time for AMC, but now I think she's lost what she once had. I don't even like watching AMC anymore..

Many people think the only reason she was good back then was because of Felicia Behr.

This isn't a stunt. This is a disrespectful rewrite of one of the biggest things AMC's history.

It doesn't even compare to Tad/Ted and Janet/Natalie. Yeah those were stunts but did they really require rewrites? And even if they did, they were probably on a smaller scale.

This Josh/Erica/Greg story is a MONSTER size rewrite.

In fact, this has to take the cake and be the biggest rewrite in daytime history. Unless someone can name a rewrite bigger than this that I am not aware of.

How can you possibly justify this abhorrent twist?!! You call yourself a fan? I know you love the show come hell or highwater but please, try and see that this is NOT the AMC we cherish. Its campy without being convincing, its cringeworthy, it shitting upon somebody else's hard work and its a PATHETIC ratings stunt.

How can you stand by McTrash after this?

Because I don't want the woman killed does not mean that I am not a fan or that I fully support her.

I support her, but definitely to a certain extent.