8 minutes ago, MissPalmer said:

New and rare GH episode in Ebay

https://www.ebay.com/itm/286391604141?_skw=16mm+film&itmmeta=01JNSV7JH3J7XM649TF9FXX836&hash=item42a

Thanks. I think a copy of that episode is on Youtube, but of course that has a watermark and doesn't have the ads, so someone may prefer to buy the original (if this is the same episode).

 

1 hour ago, DRW50 said:

Thanks. I think a copy of that episode is on Youtube, but of course that has a watermark and doesn't have the ads, so someone may prefer to buy the original (if this is the same episode).

 

Oh yes!!!! It seems the same episode!!! 

Megan McTavish discusses her GH run briefly in her utterly unhinged unpublished memoir, and calls Tony Geary's original "Endgame" saga terrible (in her opinion) and claims it largely consisted of Luke descending into an underground labyrinth and fúcking the bad guys' various female cohorts.

Given the fact that Megan's memoir roasts virtually everyone she has ever met or spoken to except Brian Frons (and has a forward/dedication page ending with 'you can all go to hell'), I take many of her opinions and claims with a grain of salt. She does admit her Endgame story was not great.

1 hour ago, Vee said:

Megan McTavish discusses her GH run briefly in her utterly unhinged unpublished memoir, and calls Tony Geary's original "Endgame" saga terrible (in her opinion) and claims it largely consisted of Luke descending into an underground labyrinth and fúcking the bad guys' various female cohorts.

Given the fact that Megan's memoir roasts virtually everyone she has ever met or spoken to except Brian Frons (and has a forward/dedication page ending with 'you can all go to hell'), I take many of her opinions and claims with a grain of salt. She does admit her Endgame story was not great.

I wouldn't be too surprised if that did take up most of Geary's story idea...

11 minutes ago, DRW50 said:

I wouldn't be too surprised if that did take up most of Geary's story idea...

Nor would I, but I also trust Geary's taste considerably more than hers. Even at his lowlights.

11 hours ago, Vee said:

Nor would I, but I also trust Geary's taste considerably more than hers. Even at his lowlights.

Lol.  I kind of believe MM here.  Has Tony ever publicly revealed his Endgame story?  All I can recall is him whining about the story that aired-which is fair. 

7 hours ago, carolineg said:

Lol.  I kind of believe MM here.  Has Tony ever publicly revealed his Endgame story?  All I can recall is him whining about the story that aired-which is fair. 

I don't doubt some of what she is saying is true, lol. I just think the work Tony did on his original return story with Claire Labine was good, and I think Tony's off-the-cuff rewriting near the end of his run in his scenes with Jonathan Jackson in 2015 was still very good. So Imma side with him, because Megan's amateur night Endgame is still burned in my brain lol.

The most I know of Tony's original concept with Irene Suver is that it apparently involved the return of Robert Scorpio.

23 minutes ago, Vee said:

I don't doubt some of what she is saying is true, lol. I just think the work Tony did on his original return story with Claire Labine was good, and I think Tony's off-the-cuff rewriting near the end of his run in his scenes with Jonathan Jackson in 2015 was still very good. So Imma side with him, because Megan's amateur night Endgame is still burned in my brain lol.

The most I know of Tony's original concept with Irene Suver is that it apparently involved the return of Robert Scorpio.

I have no doubt Tony has a much better grasp of the Luke character and the shows history, but he also tends to go a bit rogue.  Like the Luke was always stifled by Laura and his family nonsense.  Without seeing it or even hearing a brief synopsis from Tony's side I am going to say they both weren't great stories.  A Robert Scorpio return and the intention to finally end the Cassadine/Spencer feud does sway me slightly in Tony's favor.

Wasn't a lot of Endgame edited due to 9/11?  I sound like I am supporting MM here more than I want to, but it was probably a story that was just doomed from the start due to real life circumstances.

5 minutes ago, carolineg said:

I have no doubt Tony has a much better grasp of the Luke character and the shows history, but he also tends to go a bit rogue.  Like the Luke was always stifled by Laura and his family nonsense.

Sure, but this was also still in the period well before Tony started parroting the Guza line about Luke and Laura. Until around 2007 he was very respectful and reverent of that legacy, from what I recall.

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Wasn't a lot of Endgame edited due to 9/11?  I sound like I am supporting MM here more than I want to, but it was probably a story that was just doomed from the start due to real life circumstances.

It was. According to both Megan and longstanding BTS info the original plan was for the hospital to be blown up (so JFP could remodel the hub, which she later did) and for Stavros and Helena to unleash a biotoxin into Port Charles' air supply or something. This was all scrapped due to 9/11 and hastily redone to feature the ridiculous, cheap-looking underground maze stuff where everyone including all the middle-aged vets just hung around in the catacombs pretending to be Stallone. Having Bobbie, Roy, Jax, Melissa, etc. all down there just wandering around was hysterical, to say nothing of Luke's queeny final fight with Stavros where he attacked him with pillows and a curtain or something.

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10 minutes ago, Vee said:

Sure, but this was also sill in the period well before Tony started parroting the Guza line about Luke and Laura. Until around 2007 he was very respectful and reverent of that legacy, from what I recall.

True.

10 minutes ago, Vee said:

It was. According to both Megan and longstanding BTS info the original plan was for the hospital to be blown up (so JFP could remodel the hub, which she later did) and for Stavros and Helena to unleash a biotoxin into Port Charles' air supply or something. This was all scrapped due to 9/11 and hastily redone to feature the ridiculous underground maze stuff where everyone including all the middle-aged vets just hung around in the catacombs pretending to be Stallone.

For some reason I vividly remember Jax and Scotty being a part of it and thinking how are these two fools going to help?   That was also a weird Jax period where he was heavily involved with the Cassadines and I still don't really get that whole era for him.   But that has nothing to do with this story.

2 minutes ago, carolineg said:

For some reason I vividly remember Jax and Scotty being a part of it and thinking how are these two fools going to help?   That was also a weird Jax period where he was heavily involved with the Cassadines and I still don't really get that whole era for him. 

It didn't make sense for him, no. They dragged him into it because of Alexis and Kristina, I think, but also just because everyone had to be down there. Jax, Bobbie and Scott were particularly comical.

Just now, Vee said:

It didn't make sense for him, no. They dragged him into it because of Alexis and Kristina, I think, but also just because everyone had to be down there. Jax, Bobbie and Scott were particularly comical.

I feel like Chloe was involved as well, but honestly she may have already died.  I always forget if Stefan, Stavros or Helena killed her. 

IIRC, didn't they all escape and Luke was left alone to push Stavros into the pit?  So they literally were no help at all. 

12 minutes ago, carolineg said:

I feel like Chloe was involved as well, but honestly she may have already died.  I always forget if Stefan, Stavros or Helena killed her. 

IIRC, didn't they all escape and Luke was left alone to push Stavros into the pit?  So they literally were no help at all. 

Yeah, she was dead. Stavros murdered her in the summer and framed Stefan, who was still into her.

IIRC Luke did let him fall into the random bottomless pit that opened in a hole in the floor lol. While grinning and gloating like an idiot. It was all very, very poorly staged, shot and crafted. I seem to recall over half the cast standing around down there like 'we have to get out of here, this place is endless, it's going to collapse!' But there was zero sign of any danger or anything particularly descript about those corridors. It was so bad.

Edited March 16Mar 16 by Vee

6 minutes ago, Vee said:

Yeah, she was dead. Stavros murdered her in the summer and framed Stefan, who was still into her.

IIRC Luke did let him fall into the random bottomless pit that opened in a hole in the floor lol. While grinning and gloating like an idiot. It was all very, very poorly staged, shot and crafted. I seem to recall over half the cast standing around down there like 'we have to get out of here, this place is endless, it's going to collapse!' But there was zero sign of any danger or anything particularly descript about those corridors. It was so bad.

Poor Chloe lol.

I really wonder if the show would have been better served just ending the Cassadine/Spencer feud right then and there.  Sure, you could keep Alexis and Nik.  I just don't know if Helena and Stravos's random machinations and reappearances have ever helped anything.  I suppose it's better than the Cyrus, Sidwell, and other random villains of the year.  Don't even get me started with the Jerry Jacks is the criminal mastermind of everything era.

2 hours ago, Vee said:

I don't doubt some of what she is saying is true, lol. I just think the work Tony did on his original return story with Claire Labine was good, and I think Tony's off-the-cuff rewriting near the end of his run in his scenes with Jonathan Jackson in 2015 was still very good. So Imma side with him, because Megan's amateur night Endgame is still burned in my brain lol.

Same here, lol!

As we all know, there have been plenty of story ideas for soaps that sounded awful "on paper," but actually weren't half-bad once the shows were allowed to play them out.  Endgame, no matter which version of the story (Geary's or McTavish's) actually landed on the air, was never going to be one of those ideas.  It wasn't 1981 anymore, and Geary and Genie Francis were just damn too old to still be mixed up in action/adventure capers like that one.  Everyone involved should've known better.

Edited March 16Mar 16 by Khan