Members Y&RWorldTurner Posted June 2, 2010 Members Share Posted June 2, 2010 Did Janet's Rhythm Nation video and Madonna's Vogue video just f*ck and reproduce that thing? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Members EricMontreal22 Posted June 12, 2010 Members Share Posted June 12, 2010 by Collin Kelley, editor of an Atlanta arts magazine and blogger Lady Gaga released the video for her latest single "Alejandro" on Tuesday. The song is a pastiche of ABBA by way of Ace of Base and the video pays homage to Madonna and Bob Fosse, with images of gay boys in Nazi-esque uniforms marching, humping and writhing all over Gaga, who is alternately wearing a leather nun's habit or a bra made from machine gun barrels. Yes, it's a whole lotta look. The next day, Gaga showed up at her younger sister's high school graduation ceremony wearing a revolutionary ensemble (pictured below) that might have given Grey Gardens' Little Edie pause. She was immediately accused of hogging the spotlight from her little sis and that the outfit was completely inappropriate for graduation from a Catholic high school, which just so happened to be the same school Gaga attended. The imagery from the video, her sister's graduation from a Catholic school and the outfit were, surely, all designed for the most media impact possible. But something about the one-two-punch of the video and photos seems to have caused a quickening in the inevitable Gaga backlash. The "Alejandro" video has been watched nearly 10 million times since Tuesday on YouTube, with more than 76,000 comments offering either high praise or outright contempt. Most of the comments are about how she's "ripped off" Madonna or has blasphemed the Catholic church. Even poptart Katy Perry took to her Twitter account and called the video "cheap" and "blasphemy as entertainment." It's hard to take Perry seriously after her lesbian tourist anthem "I Kissed A Girl" and new single, "California Gurls," where she talks about getting drunk, being a cheap beach slut and melting all the boys "popsicles." Sounds like Katy was hoping to hog a little spotlight for herself. It's been nearly 30 years (gulp!) since Madonna channeled Marilyn Monroe for "Material Girl," not to mention borrowing looks from 50s pin-up queen Bettie Page and the dance moves from the gay underground drag balls for "Vogue." Except Madonna wasn't accused of ripping off these artists; she was paying homage. Gaga, who is only 24, grew up watching Madonna and is now honoring her inspiration in "Alejandro," which also pays a debt to Madge's "La Isla Bonita." Is Madonna upset about any of this? No. She likes Gaga, and the two have already done a send-up of their tabloid created rivalry on Saturday Night Live. Expect a collaboration in the near future. Gaga is unabashed pop. The music she makes is ear candy. Many people hate it. I get it. However, unlike Britney, Katy, Ke$ha and Miley, Gaga can actually sing, write her own songs and play multiple instruments. I've yet to hear her lip sync, which means her high-energy live performances usually leave her vocals strained or breathy. Gaga can also give a coherent, intelligent interview on a variety of subjects. She's a vocal supporter of civil rights for the GLBT community and says her gay fans are the ones who elevated her fame. This makes Gaga a threat on many fronts. She's a smart woman with an opinion; she pushes cultural and societal buttons; she wields an amazing amount of influence; she flaunts her fame and (bi)sexuality. Mousy-haired coffee house singer Stefani Germanotta's rise to global superstardom in less than five years is one of the most calculated artistic reinventions in music history. I say, good for her. The Internet is full of singers, songwriters and performers playing guitar and keyboards in poorly-lit bedrooms hoping they'll be the next Gaga or Justin Bieber. Cutting through the web's non-stop noise is a miracle in itself. Luckily, Gaga has real musical talent to back it up. Anyone who's heard her sing a cappella or accompany herself on piano cannot deny the woman can sing. But it's the image and the media frenzy that seems to be causing the backlash. Remember when Madonna delivered her own one-two-punch in 1992 with the Erotica album and the next day the release of the Sex coffee table book? The album was poorly received and the book, which was heavily influenced by Andy Warhol, was a step too far even for the masses who embraced her. She was overexposed, self-indulgent and musical tastes were changing. Soon, grunge and rap would overtake the airwaves. The media obsession reached fever pitch then imploded, and Madge's music career (along with a string of shitty movies) went fallow, the consensus her career was in decline. It would take five years and embracing the burgeoning electronica scene on the Ray of Light album to put her back on top. I first took notice of Gaga in the summer of 2008 when she performed "Just Dance" on So You Think You Can Dance. I was hooked immediately. It seemed after that performance that Gaga was everywhere. You couldn't surf to a website, pick up a magazine or turn on the television without seeing or hearing Gaga. She sucked the oxygen out of the room. Not quite a year after the release of her debut album The Fame, came an EP called Fame Monster, followed by the shock and awe of the "Bad Romance" video. How would she top herself? She hasn't...yet. The "Telephone" video was fun, but overblown. The decision to release "Alejandro," Fame Monster's weakest track, and pair it with a beautifully filmed, but overly-serious set of images that seem to have no correlation to the song, despite Gaga's message that the video was a tribute to her gay fans, was also a miscalculation. And, yet, for all the accusations of "Alejandro" being a Madonna rip-off it's still one of the most compelling, talked about music videos to come along in years. The most bizarre backlash is from gay men. Today on Facebook, I read a number of comments from gay men who have referred to her as a "tranny," "Lady Caca" and one who said she only appealed to "shallow fags who like shiny things." This isn't the first time I've heard derision from the gay community about Gaga. I have a friend who DJs at a local gay club here in Atlanta, isn't a fan and hates having to play her music in his sets. He's never been able to articulate exactly why he hates her, because his music collection is filled with more disposable pop than you can shake a disco stick at. Of course, I'm not saying that every gay man should like Lady Gaga, but I think many have shunned her because they are expected to like her, just like every 'mo is supposed to worship Judy Garland, Bette Davis, Joan Crawford and Madonna. The need to break out of the stereotype and not have gay culture assimilated and consumed is a strong motivator. I totally get it. What I don't get is the vitriol and just plain nastiness that comes from the gay community as they slag her off. It's poor form, gentlemen, especially as the LGBT community continues to fight for civil rights and promote tolerance. Whether you like Gaga or not, she is an invaluable voice and, I believe, a sincere friend of the GLBT community. She supports gay marriage, raises money for HIV/AIDS organizations and is outspoken in interviews about the need for tolerance in America and around the world. Elton John cashed a check for $1 million this week for playing virulent homophobe Rush Limbaugh's wedding reception, but that story was lost in the white noise once "Alejandro" hit YouTube. Without a doubt, Lady Gaga is overexposed. Maybe she hasn't realized it yet, but she will. She's too talented, intelligent and driven to be one of Warhol's "15 minute" types. She'll take a break soon, but like Bowie and Madonna, she'll reinvent herself with a new sound and image. And the hullabaloo will start afresh all over again. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Y&RWorldTurner Posted June 12, 2010 Members Share Posted June 12, 2010 (edited) The video is just wholly uncreative and trying too hard to make some sort of statement. I don't even think it's downfalls are in the Madonna or 1930's Germany homages, it's just another one of her videos where she creatively chews off more than she can handle. It's a video that tries too hard to be provocative, yet it's strangely not and just looks like too many different things happening at once, which makes it a bit of a clusterfuck. I find something very funny about Gaga though. She's not a media obsession like Madonna or even the puppet Britney were. The tabloids aren't all crazy over her or her fashion. She has commercial success, but she's not quite a pop culture entity or force where everyone is following her every move, like her and her management wish to believe she is. Her personal life isn't quite the topic of random tabloid reports to the extent Madonna and Britney have had it. I don't know if I can say she's overexposed media-wise, maybe musically, but not with the media. Edited June 12, 2010 by Y&RWorldTurner 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members EricMontreal22 Posted June 12, 2010 Members Share Posted June 12, 2010 That's true, but I think she has made more of a social impact than most current popstars, even including Beyonce. You read articles in the New Yorker that will randomly call something "Gaga-esque". I think the video's ok--it's interesting to watch at least, which is something few modern videos are, even if I agree it's all over the place without really a clear message. Not sure that bothers me though. The tabloids do post pictures of her as she lands in each new country--particularly the UK, less so here. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Sylph Posted June 12, 2010 Members Share Posted June 12, 2010 So, Eric, you think she can talk intelligently on a variety of topics? And that she isn't a — fraud? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members EricMontreal22 Posted June 12, 2010 Members Share Posted June 12, 2010 I don't care if she can talk intelligently on various topics. But she did OK on the Larry King interview--more than I'd expect of Perry (who said that her song You're So Gay--which suggests, as a joke of course, that the person in the song hang himself with his H&M cscarf--was a homage to her gay fans). Is she a fraud? Depends what you expect of her I suppose? I don't think she's any more a fraud than anyone else--she's managed to present herself in a way that, it's true, lotsa people seem t think she's the second coming--that's rather brilliant. I don't for a second think she believes in her hype. Maybe that's cynical, but far less than I've heard from Perry. Yes she used to do more singer/songwriting material before she got big--but she knows her dance music background and obviously did grow up with it on some level. And yes she's horrifically overated. But you don't read the London Times calling someone "Beyonce" in a headline and get what you would when they've used Gaga. (Yeah I'm more replying to Katy's problems with her than what you say--but you didn't give me much to reply to ). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Sylph Posted June 12, 2010 Members Share Posted June 12, 2010 No kiddin'. One wouldn't be able to get a reply even if the fate of the world depended on it. It's that either you don't reply (the most common thing), you reply late (because you visit the board every 54 days) or you reply in one sentence, annoyingly. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members EricMontreal22 Posted June 12, 2010 Members Share Posted June 12, 2010 LOL hey I gave you a paragraph above! (Yes, I owe you a number of replies ) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Sylph Posted July 3, 2010 Members Share Posted July 3, 2010 (edited) Edited July 3, 2010 by Sylph 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Sylph Posted July 4, 2010 Members Share Posted July 4, 2010 I'm reading these original analyses and... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members EricMontreal22 Posted July 7, 2010 Members Share Posted July 7, 2010 I dunno. I think she just thinks the imagery's cool looking. LOL 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Sylph Posted July 7, 2010 Members Share Posted July 7, 2010 Finally, someone replied! I dunno either. How about that eye thing? Or the pose with those pigeons? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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