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Edited October 25, 200916 yr by Sylph

JackPeyton, what records of Gaga's does Ke$ha keep breaking exactly?? I honestly think she's pretty much everything bad about Gaga, isolated and multiplied. Just awful, and an awful live performer.

most airplays in a single week and most digital downloads in a single weak were both set by Gaga but Kesha came along and beat it. For sales Gaga's number was at 419,000 (the most for a female) and kesha's came in at 610,000.

There are a few other ones i seen but i dont remember. I also know that her album sold far over what they were expecting.

I like kesha. I like her i dont care attitude and the fact that she isnt using some far out sicfi gimmick thats annoying. Shes all about getting drunk and hookin up and having a good time. I am all for that.

Edited February 4, 201015 yr by JackPeyton

To me her trashy "be drunk all the time and sleep around" is as much a gimmick as anything Gaga does, if not more so. It's a put on. Trust me I'm all for drinking, and fooling around--that's nothat puts me off. I's just how contrived it feels (yeah I get this is how many feel about Gaga but I think she has the talent to pull it off). The only track I kinda like on Ke$ha's album is Dancing with Tears in My Eyes (not the old Ultravox song) which vocally she can't even pull off on album (I doubt she'd ever try live) and while it was produced and co written by my fave Greg Kurstin he has said he never even met Ke$ha it was a track he did for another project. At any rate a sincere ballad even an electro ne, like that doesn't fit her image or persona at all. (I admit what there is to enjoy on her album is typically solid production work on some of the better tracks by Dr Luke)

I didn't know her hit was QUITE that huge--kudos to her though I didn't hear anything on the album that sounded like a radio followup (I'm sure I'll be eating my words lol). I just find her [!@#$%^&*] cynical, another thing I never did with Gaga, in a commercial way (the fact that she did a duet with 3OH!3 speaks *volumes*).

And of course it's at least as much an act as Gaga claiming to be an outcast was--Ke$ha has been around, writing and singing on Paris Hilton's album (which is why she was at her house when she threw up in her closet, a story she likes to tell way too much), or for the Veronicas, for Britney, for a good 5 years now. She comes from a family of songwriters, and was studying to get her psych major so she knows what she's doing--so I guess I should applaud her for doing that the way Gaga does. But, like I said, I just find her so cynical (just like crap like 3OH!3 and LMFAO, groups she loves) and lowest common denominator. I LOVE disposable, catchy, fun pop that celebrates partying and hooking up--but I like it to do so with a sense of fun and even, yes, joy. And call me hypocritical but I don't liek that party fun to be marred by people endlessly singing about "gross" things (Ke$ha's fave lyrical word) like vomiting from too much drinking, or talking about how slutty and whorish the girl you're looking to get a BJ from is... Crazy, I know.

Sylph, Gaga she's doing a full on album (not a 9 track EP or whatever) set for release this Fall. She originally wanted to do it sooner with Fame Monster being more of a stop gap but her label (obviously) want to let this one play out more.

Edited February 4, 201015 yr by EricMontreal22

To me her trashy "be drunk all the time and sleep around" is as much a gimmick as anything Gaga does, if not more so. It's a put on. Trust me I'm all for drinking, and fooling around--that's nothat puts me off. I's just how contrived it feels (yeah I get this is how many feel about Gaga but I think she has the talent to pull it off). The only track I kinda like on Ke$ha's album is Dancing with Tears in My Eyes (not the old Ultravox song) which vocally she can't even pull off on album (I doubt she'd ever try live) and while it was produced and co written by my fave Greg Kurstin he has said he never even met Ke$ha it was a track he did for another project. At any rate a sincere ballad even an electro ne, like that doesn't fit her image or persona at all. (I admit what there is to enjoy on her album is typically solid production work on some of the better tracks by Dr Luke)

I didn't know her hit was QUITE that huge--kudos to her though I didn't hear anything on the album that sounded like a radio followup (I'm sure I'll be eating my words lol). I just find her [!@#$%^&*] cynical, another thing I never did with Gaga, in a commercial way (the fact that she did a duet with 3OH!3 speaks *volumes*).

And of course it's at least as much an act as Gaga claiming to be an outcast was--Ke$ha has been around, writing and singing on Paris Hilton's album (which is why she was at her house when she threw up in her closet, a story she likes to tell way too much), or for the Veronicas, for Britney, for a good 5 years now. She comes from a family of songwriters, and was studying to get her psych major so she knows what she's doing--so I guess I should applaud her for doing that the way Gaga does. But, like I said, I just find her so cynical (just like crap like 3OH!3 and LMFAO, groups she loves) and lowest common denominator. I LOVE disposable, catchy, fun pop that celebrates partying and hooking up--but I like it to do so with a sense of fun and even, yes, joy. And call me hypocritical but I don't liek that party fun to be marred by people endlessly singing about "gross" things (Ke$ha's fave lyrical word) like vomiting from too much drinking, or talking about how slutty and whorish the girl you're looking to get a BJ from is... Crazy, I know.

What an amazing post.

See, i agree with you. However i add Gaga to the Kesha, 3OH!3, LMFAO group. The music has a good beat, ok at best vocals.

As for Kesha's lyrics, i love them. But i relate to them. I dont think her entire thing is all gimmick either, im sure its taken up a few notches, but from what i know the girl partys hard. She lived that hollywood street lifestyle for a bit and what she sings about is that lifestyle. Some people may not like it... but getting drunk and throwing up and random hookups are very much a part of that lifestyle.. and i love it. Dancing with Tears in my Eyes is my fave on the album too, along with Stephen and BlahBlahBlah (her next single). I also had no ide Kesha was the girl on Flo Ridas Right Round. When i heard that song i wondered who she was.

But again, this is the music i plat from a car stereo when we are playing beer pong out of a pickup truck on a hilltop. I dont much care for greatness. When i need more i turn to my Carly Simon/Fleetwood Mac/Joe Cocker mix.

But i really dont find Gaga to be anything amazing. Her songs are good, the lyrics are good, the beat is good, the production is amazing and she has an it factor. She reminds me a lot of Pink but with a different image, just as fake none the less.

But i really dont find Gaga to be anything amazing. Her songs are good, the lyrics are good, the beat is good, the production is amazing and she has an it factor. She reminds me a lot of Pink but with a different image, just as fake none the less.

When I first saw her on TV, I thought she was a German transvestite. A typical European one-hit wonder, which appears every 7 years or so, who somehow ended on MTV Top 10, or whatever. Then it all started getting crazy.

Edited February 4, 201015 yr by Sylph

HAH Thanks JP--I actusally get what you're saying and I apologize if I made it sound personal--it's not at all, we share a lot of the same taste. I'm not sure why I find Ke$ha more off putting...

Sylph I felt kinda the same actually--I was thrilled to have a modern day Amanda Lear on N America radio but I didn;'t think i would last

Even though I find GaGa's music to be cheap garbage, I'd like to see what she & Timbaland would come up with.

Even though I find GaGa's music to be cheap garbage, I'd like to see what she & Timbaland would come up with.

Because we need even more of Timbaland's recycled beats on radio? At least his production seems have gone out of style in recent months...

Words cannot explain the disdain I have for Timbaland.

Though, I'd like to see how well she'd mix with someone like Nellee Hooper...

Hi 5! I dunno, if someone complains the RedOne sound is getting old, I'll just direct them to any of Timbaland's latest collaborations. There's been no growth for a while now (I do think his older classic stuff is brilliant, don't get me wrong, but how much of it can one take?) And if one has to compare Madonna and Gaga that's a good example of Timbaland's style not really adding much of all.

Because we need even more of Timbaland's recycled beats on radio? At least his production seems have gone out of style in recent months...

Words cannot explain the disdain I have for Timbaland.

Though, I'd like to see how well she'd mix with someone like Nellee Hooper...

Yes. And I was just waiting for Eric to eat his words, those when he said how GaGa brings the best in people. And WHAM! it happened.

Edited February 6, 201015 yr by Sylph

I do think Red One owes a lot to Lady Gaga. Now he's referred to by other acts as "Lady Gaga's producer" and beyond her has had limited hits and tons of flops. I look at the high profile work he recently did with the Sugababes and how awful it was. About A Girl was decent, but the Sean Kingston (really?) collaboration Miss Everything is terrible. Sounds like 2006 in a bad way. I can't wait till the Red One fad is over. I see Kylie is working with him which worries me.

On a positive note, the songs he did for Pixie Lott were pretty good. Shame she didn't release them.

Here's a recent interview with RedOne:

http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2010/01/28/the-man-behind-lady-gaga/

Lady GaGa's "weird" behaviour at photoshoot increases speculation she is finding life in the spotlight difficult to deal with

The woman who invented Lady GaGa

I do think Red One owes a lot to Lady Gaga. Now he's referred to by other acts as "Lady Gaga's producer" and beyond her has had limited hits and tons of flops. I look at the high profile work he recently did with the Sugababes and how awful it was. About A Girl was decent, but the Sean Kingston (really?) collaboration Miss Everything is terrible. Sounds like 2006 in a bad way. I can't wait till the Red One fad is over. I see Kylie is working with him which worries me.

On a positive note, the songs he did for Pixie Lott were pretty good. Shame she didn't release them.

Kylie and him apparantly parted ways (partly I guess cuz to sound more cohesive Stuart Price is producing her full album...)

Good news! I do worry about Kylie's album. I like the diversity of her last two efforts although I do feel there are too many cooks in the kitchen. She just had too many good songs to choose from. Just thankful that RedOne won't be screwing things up.

Agreed with those thoughts 100% (tho8ugh I'll miss her not having a collaboration with Biffco--not major producers but they've done most of my fave tracks for Kylie from her Parlophone era)