Cary Tye was so hot. I remember an early episode where he and Harley are in bed and he's wearing tennis shorts and well....let's say practice and standards forgot to look closely. I loved Rick Hearst but Carl brought an earthy, sexy, rogue appeal even though his NYC accent flew in the face of the boarding school story.

1 hour ago, DeeVee said:

Putting Blake and AM together simply makes sense in a--I don't want to say in a Romeo & Juliet way, but something LIKE that--just because their family members hated each other. If they had a child that was a Spaulding/Thorpe/Bauer/Norris, that would be a lot of conflict! Soaps need conflict!

Once Holly got over Blake seducing Ross away from her, there wasn't much there there. They had to come up with crazy stuff like twins that might have been fathered by two men, yadda, yadda.

But a grandchild that forced all these people who hated each other to deal with each other? Seems like a no-brainer.

(Poor, Liz. It's tough to come in after someone like Sherry. I grew to like her, but I did not like what they did to Blake).

Yeah, this is my thinking. Couples that have more natural external conflict can actually be your better long-term couples in a soap IMO because you don’t have to jump through a bunch of crazy hoops to create drama. (See Reva/Josh.) Just the grandfather drama alone between Roger/Alan and the kid’s chosen grandfather Ed is interesting-and Ed/Holly/Roger basically sharing a grandkid? (I know Ed is not the actual grandfather but given his father figure role to both AM/Blake he’d be a de facto grandpa-if Ed/Holly started acting like primary grandparents together it would make Roger apoplectic.)

I know I’m in in the minority, and this probably comes from viewing Liz’s Blake first, but I think Liz/Rick had potential chemistry to be a long-term romantic pairing. There was a lot of mutual affection in their scenes of two people who know each other well/get each other with the little underlying resentment from the past simmering up here and there.

I’d have put them on some path to grow closer as friends who still have a spark-of course my unwritten fan fiction forever is AM working for Roger as his heir apparent alongside Blake. I know AM had lots of reason to hate Roger but Roger also understands AM’s motivations far better than his own family. (Maybe Hart decides he actually wants part of it but AM is now the son Roger always wanted and AM is the Phillip to Hart’s AM in that dynamic.)

I definitely agree Rick and Liz had chemistry---but it was a gentler chemistry, not the raw edgy chem that SS had with him.

Came across another 1989 episodes-September 1. There was a lot of interesting things happening. First, for maybe the first (?) but certainly not last time, Holly is visiting Blake in the hospital (not clear why she's there) telling her to let Phillip know she knows that Beth is alive and warning her that the lie will likely blow up in her face. A lesson Blake will not learn at any point in the future. Blake of course lies to him and convinces him that she will help him find Beth but he can't hide anything from her, which is some real masterwork.

Reva/Josh talk about her past sexual abuse and the rape when she was 14 I believe she's lying about which is actually her sleeping with Billy to conceive Dylan. (Have seen snatches on this but don't know the whole story.). Reva "has a feeling" she is pregnant (which she likely is with Shayne) and she blows off Josh's concerns about her having another child after her post-Marah coma. If she had listened we'd have no Amish Reva, island people, or Jonathan haha

Dylan/Harley have a conversation about Daisy/Susan. Dylan got himself a job doing the Lemays lawncare-Harley tells him AM has promised he'll get Susan/Daisy back for her using the Spaulding power but Dylan talks her out of try because Susan is happy. Dylan also has arranged for Sam to babysit and invites Harley to meet her just once-and after that the two of them agree to not see her again. (We know how that goes.)

1 hour ago, GL95 said:

Reva/Josh talk about her past sexual abuse and the rape when she was 14 I believe she's lying about which is actually her sleeping with Billy to conceive Dylan.

It's not a lie about her being SA when she was 13 or 14. In fact, Josh and Reva are referring to the scene where she confronts the man who did it to her. It's probably in an episode or two before this one. (Hate to sound like a cynic, but it came across as an obvious bid for an Emmy). Being the late 80s, of course they skirted around the issue (you notice she says he DIDN'T rape her, but she was a minor, so yeah, he actually did). It sounds like what the man was doing was grooming her.

Besides, I really can't imagine Billy having sex with a 14 year old. She must have been older than that, I think it happened after Josh broke with her. (The timeline with all this is weird, because then Billy marries Mindy's mother, THEN marries Reva).

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23 minutes ago, DeeVee said:

It's not a lie about her being SA when she was 13 or 14. In fact, Josh and Reva are referring to the scene where she confronts the man who did it to her. It's probably in an episode or two before this one. (Hate to sound like a cynic, but it came across as an obvious bid for an Emmy). Being the late 80s, of course they skirted around the issue (you notice she says he DIDN'T rape her, but she was a minor, so yeah, he actually did). It sounds like what the man was doing was grooming her.

Besides, I really can't imagine Billy having sex with a 14 year old. She must have been older than that, I think it happened after Josh broke with her. (The timeline with all this is weird, because then Billy marries Mindy's mother, THEN marries Reva).

I wonder if this is the same abuse Josh threw in her face when she returned in 1995 (which disgusted me).

11 minutes ago, DRW50 said:

I wonder if this is the same abuse Josh threw in her face when she returned in 1995 (which disgusted me).

In this conversation he basically asks why she let it happen when she was twelve-she said she enjoyed the attention basically and he asked didn’t she have enough love attention from Sarah/HB etc. He eventually concedes it wasn’t her fault.

16 minutes ago, GL95 said:

In this conversation he basically asks why she let it happen when she was twelve-she said she enjoyed the attention basically and he asked didn’t she have enough love attention from Sarah/HB etc. He eventually concedes it wasn’t her fault.

Thanks. I can't say I would have been able to stomach those scenes.

HB being mentioned just makes their later marriage even more offputting.

34 minutes ago, DeeVee said:

Besides, I really can't imagine Billy having sex with a 14 year old. She must have been older than that, I think it happened after Josh broke with her. (The timeline with all this is weird, because then Billy marries Mindy's mother, THEN marries Reva).

Yes, it's two separate incidents. Pharo's SA happened when she was around twelve.

Reva got pregnant at 17, when she had sex with Billy. Mindy's mother had died, and Josh went off to college at Berkley. I've never heard a direct reference to the gap between Billy, Trish and Josh. But from the way Josh occasionally referenced their childhood (watching Billy in high school football games, while he ran up and down the sidelines for example), I'd say there's supposed to be at least six years between Billy and Josh. Reva's at least a year younger, since Josh was going to college and she got pregnant at 17. I can't stomach the scenes around Dylan's conception (Reva is just ticking me off in the present as she remembers the past and having concocted the rape story for Sarah's benefit), but I think she may be talking about how Josh didn't come back to Oklahoma the summer after his first year at college.

One of the few references to Mindy's mother happens when Billy tells Phillip that he had gotten Mindy's mother pregnant and they'd had to get married. It sounded like that was during his college years.

And IIRC, Blake had a minor car accident when she was chasing after Phillip. She was afraid he'd found out that Beth was alive, I think. Phillip was being gaslit that Beth was alive, and tried to convince Lillian to exhume Beth's grave to verify if her body was in it.

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