San Cristobel was when the show had officially past go and couldn't turn arond and fix itself. Yet a bunch of new characters that we were stuck with for years (Edmund, Olivia) and just a vehicle to feature Reva.. when her time as main character was well and done. Shame no one with enough backbone and balls didn't just backburner the character and/or fire Zimmer (who I find to be almost a bully)

36 minutes ago, alwaysAMC said:

LOL at the bolded part. I agree with you here. Sure, it's her brother, but Blake really takes the cake with lying and hurting people. Sure, not physically, but absolutely emotionally and mentally.

It's part of the problem after watching for a long period of time, you know where everyone's skeletons are buried. It's part of the reason I got so fed up with Reva by the end. (well, long before the end, but at the end, I couldn't watch her without going out of my mind. She does crap to Lizzie (long story), but then everyone's supposed to feel sorry for the fact she's briefly considered a murder suspect thanks to Dinah (a longer story).)

6 minutes ago, Soaplovers said:

San Cristobel was when the show had officially past go and couldn't turn arond and fix itself. Yet a bunch of new characters that we were stuck with for years (Edmund, Olivia) and just a vehicle to feature Reva.. when her time as main character was well and done. Shame no one with enough backbone and balls didn't just backburner the character and/or fire Zimmer (who I find to be almost a bully)

I don't think SC was the end - the show had some real signs of recovery in late 2002. I think if there was an end it was down to the show having no set identity and just flinging itself around too much based on the writer or producer at the time. I think that was an issue with GL for so many years. No show can be sustained with such whiplash.

10 minutes ago, P.J. said:

It's part of the problem after watching for a long period of time, you know where everyone's skeletons are buried. It's part of the reason I got so fed up with Reva by the end. (well, long before the end, but at the end, I couldn't watch her without going out of my mind. She does crap to Lizzie (long story), but then everyone's supposed to feel sorry for the fact she's briefly considered a murder suspect thanks to Dinah (a longer story).)

Ohh the intrigue now! Sounds like Dinah is still a schemer when she returns, and I sort of love that she's going against Reva. She did slightly during Dinah/Annie's friendship during Alan/Annie's wedding and all that drama, and I liked it.

@alwaysAMC yeah, David kreizman basically reset Dinah to how she was when WM started in the role.

Could so.eone refresh my memory on the murder plot? I started to lose interest when they began those wednesday "inside the light" episodes.

2002 was a brief glimmer of hope which was all dashed by ConJob. Taggart/Culliton had three stories lined up..

1. Marah connecting with reva's stalker who was going to be revealed as jonathan.

2. A business storyline with Holly and Josh teaming to take over Spaulding. Blake rejoined SE and the PR biz. Ben (and Marina?) started working at Spaulding.

3. Gus being revealed to be Alan's son instead of Miguel Santos and Selina's son. ConJo. Kept this one but put their own spin with Alex drugging Alan and gaslighting.

4. Also, Holly was helping Ed from adjusting to home life and dealing with a hinted traumatic experience in Africa. Bill/Michelle were paired. Danny was paired with Cassie. The island and mob stuff was clearly being phased out after Prince Richard died and Carmen was put into an endless coma. Also the ex-wives club with Joan Collins Alex felt like old-gl. Mindy and India briefly returned.

To me the beginning of the end was ConJob. After that their was the first few months of Wheeler/ Kreizman then it all went to heck with the dragged out (nearly a year!) Harley on the run for murder and Alan putting hits on people who could exonerate her. Then the aftermath of that plot was even worse with a certain character as an off-screen bogey man pulling all the strings behind the scenes.

Edited 1 hour ago1 hr by Spoon

@Spoon spoiler

there's a lot I skip through, so I miss the finer points. but basically at the end, Edmund plots to regain his grandson (Shayne's son) who Mallet and Marina have adopted thanks to Dinah. He threatens Colin (Reva's kid) and Dinah kills a guy who she thinks is Edmund (I think he had paid someone to impersonate him as a diversion). Reva is held/questioned, I guess, I'm not exactly sure how far it goes. Suspicion ultimately lands on Marina, and Dinah finds this out right after marrying Shayne. Dinah confesses to Mallet, just before he's about to arrest his wife. Frank overhears, and is going to arrest Dinah. Mallet arranges for her to skip town. She tells Shayne what she did, which pisses him off because of the Reva connection and that she didn't trust him. She leaves him. The only other person she tells what she did is Vanessa, who tells her she understands and that she's glad she's running.

unless you mean Harley, then nevermind. I don't remember.

@alwaysAMC yeah, Dinah pretty much picks up where WM left off. But more unlikeable. Or less motivated and heavily plot-pointed.

Edited 48 minutes ago48 min by P.J.

I thought GT's Dinah felt more layered, nuanced. I think she won two EMMYS for the role, not that that means anything. When Dinah got shot in the head and was dealing with mental impairment, those scenes were excellent. Tognoni's Dinah wanted to be a somewhat better person, but she had that lingering jealousy of Cassie that held her back. I forget the excuse they had for why Dinah was mad at Vanessa when she ca.e back after all the lengths she took to help her evade the authorities.