43 minutes ago, Spoon said:

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TPIR- GL themed Showcase, 1985

How awesome, thanks for sharing! Hopefully someone won the showcase and got on an episode :) More evidence here showing how popular Lujack and Beth were :)

4 hours ago, Mitch64 said:

I love what soaps think of being a "cad" is dating a lot (I will ignore the "take Marah's virginity thing as that was just...nasty on the writers part") but other characters who do the same are seen as romantic alpha males(nasty Jeffery who was a male Petri dish..I always wanted GL to be the first soap to explore a STD break out with Jeffery at the center,,,but it would have those weird Cole hausfrau fans screaming "Giving me chlamydia Jeffery") If I looked like Ben/Boomer, I woulda screwed my way through that whole town (leaving each person happier then when I met them) Not that it was past Conwest but Boomer/Garret together would have been hot and Holly needed some younger man time to get out of her "Im sorry I was a stalker" phase.

A Ben/Holly fling would have been interesting and definitely got tongues wagging. More than Beth/Bill ever did.

11 minutes ago, DRW50 said:

A Ben/Holly fling would have been interesting and definitely got tongues wagging. More than Beth/Bill ever did.

Yes...its not as if she was his stepmom for long..they shipped him off someplace, and a one nights stand makes Holly guilty, but Ben keeps pursuing her (my rugby mates would see me watching GL and were all hot for MG/Holly, so she could get it from younger guys.) and then Holly, actually getting into it and finding her sexuality and loving it (better then Liv/Holly..sorry, with all respect to MG, I can't see Holly as a lesbian.) I'd love to see Blake shocked and appalled at her Mom's sexual hijinks for once and Holly to tell her to get over it.

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5 hours ago, Soaplovers said:

I think had Ann Hamilton been cast after Krista instead of after Simms, her Mindy wouldn't have been so jarring. Since Hamilton couldn't be sensual/sexy like Simms was (but very few could be), she seemed to try to portray Mindy as a 90s version of Annie Oakley.. and it just seemed to not land.

Although when Eve started to terrorize and gaslight her, I thought Hamilton did well with that and how she responded to the threats and taunts lodged at her.

I also give a bit of credit that the writers remembered that Mindy was friends with Harley and Mallet during that time since by the time Crampton had taken over as Mindy.. no mention had been made that she had been friends with Harley or Mallet.

The show only seemed to remember some connections Mindy had depending on which actress was playing her. When Simms was playing Mindy, I don't recall any mention of her and Frank dating was ever bought up but anytime Krista was playing Mindy.. mention was made of Frank/Mindy formerly dating (and I have to say I wouldn't have been opposed to having Frank/Mindy being end game at the end of the show instead of Rick/Mindy or Blake/Frank).

I agree, at least in part. Kimberly Simms shifted the character of Mindy. Krista's Mindy, while not strictly a tomboy, always acted like a girl that Billy had raised. She was physical, never afraid to get in a fight, and often referenced a more outdoorsy upbringing, like having hunted and riding horseback.

Kimberly's Mindy was more concerned about fashion. She didn't dance, didn't ride and was all girly. Hamilton didn't really seem to quite fit either mold, although she only had months.

5 hours ago, DRW50 said:

A Ben/Holly fling would have been interesting and definitely got tongues wagging. More than Beth/Bill ever did.

I strongly agree with all of this. Guiding Light was THE soap to explore a city-wide STD breakout. I've always thought that Reva should at the center of an STD breakout, as having the slut be embarrassed in her own wheelhouse, and subsequently harangued by her middle-aged would make for a great story. (Can you imagine Vanessa ripping into Reva about the former's STD?!) Yet, I'm going to defer to your judgement re: Jeffrey. I didn't watch during Cole's tenure. The idea, tho, of bands of middle-aged hausfrau viewers being all upset makes your idea immediately sellable. LOL

Yes also to a Holly/Ben fling. Make it all hot and steamy, of course. Add to it the idea of Holly truly finding herself and (mostly) forgetting Roger being a part of it. It would be fascinating to see what the writers could do with it....with young, naive, sexually-charged Ben as Holly's "Savior" instead of Ed, Ross or Fletcher. The reactions (and implications) of Ed, Ross and Fletcher to Ben's unintended success in "recentering" Holly is a very novel idea. Thanks, Mitch.

Sorry about the incorrect citing above - meant to cite Mitch's post.

BTW, Mitch - having Ross realize his failure to serve as Savior could be the impetus for pushing Ross into the role as patriarch of Springfield. An attorney (of all people) who finds he is not The Savior would provide Ross with the wisdom and perspective needed to serve as patriarch.

5 minutes ago, Speed Racer said:

I strongly agree with all of this. Guiding Light was THE soap to explore a city-wide STD breakout. I've always thought that Reva should at the center of an STD breakout, as having the slut be embarrassed in her own wheelhouse, and subsequently harangued by her middle-aged would make for a great story. (Can you imagine Vanessa ripping into Reva about the former's STD?!) Yet, I'm going to defer to your judgement re: Jeffrey. I didn't watch during Cole's tenure. The idea, tho, of bands of middle-aged hausfrau viewers being all upset makes your idea immediately sellable. LOL

Yes also to a Holly/Ben fling. Make it all hot and steamy, of course. Add to it the idea of Holly truly finding herself and (mostly) forgetting Roger being a part of it. It would be fascinating to see what the writers could do with it....with young, naive, sexually-charged Ben as Holly's "Savior" instead of Ed, Ross or Fletcher. The reactions (and implications) of Ed, Ross and Fletcher to Ben's unintended success in "recentering" Holly is a very novel idea. Thanks, Mitch.

5 minutes ago, Speed Racer said:

Ben can’t also end up a killer in this scenario because the Daniel St John story was bad enough. (and totally okay with dropping that).

Holly/AM hooking up at the Journal wouldn’t have made me mad-she’d be making a little strike at Blake and also Ed who basically chose Eve over her. (How he cheats on Maureen then has women battling for him….

I increasingly think even if imperfect they could’ve at least somewhat improved two mid 90s issues by just casting Marcy Walker as Mindy. I think she could’ve been good as a more hardened version of Krista Simms’ Mindy and then there’s no Tangie. Plus one of the only people Tangie had decent chemistry with was Nick.

7 hours ago, Soaplovers said:

I think had Ann Hamilton been cast after Krista instead of after Simms, her Mindy wouldn't have been so jarring. Since Hamilton couldn't be sensual/sexy like Simms was (but very few could be), she seemed to try to portray Mindy as a 90s version of Annie Oakley.. and it just seemed to not land.

Although when Eve started to terrorize and gaslight her, I thought Hamilton did well with that and how she responded to the threats and taunts lodged at her.

I also give a bit of credit that the writers remembered that Mindy was friends with Harley and Mallet during that time since by the time Crampton had taken over as Mindy.. no mention had been made that she had been friends with Harley or Mallet.

The show only seemed to remember some connections Mindy had depending on which actress was playing her. When Simms was playing Mindy, I don't recall any mention of her and Frank dating was ever bought up but anytime Krista was playing Mindy.. mention was made of Frank/Mindy formerly dating (and I have to say I wouldn't have been opposed to having Frank/Mindy being end game at the end of the show instead of Rick/Mindy or Blake/Frank).

Ann Hamilton was shafted, possibly dreams shattered by the experience. I've always felt a bit bad for her. In no way was she going to succeed following Simms. Both JFP and Crampton screwed her over. JFP's tenure at GL was very good for a while, then after McKinsey split, she acted like a woman scorned.

Hamilton may have been successful in another role - unfortunately, she was never given the chance.

BTW, what was Betty Rea's specific tenure (not years, but dates) as casting director at GL? Anyone know?

You guys almost make me want to go back and watch early 1993 again but that whole period, along with a good portion of the back half of 1992, broke my heart at the time. I'm not sure how far I'd get going through it all again.

Looking back, I do think Ann Hamilton should have had a little more time in the role. A part of me wonders if she was cast to fail so that viewers would support Barbara Crampton. This...did not work.

21 minutes ago, GL95 said:

Ben can’t also end up a killer in this scenario because the Daniel St John story was bad enough. (and totally okay with dropping that).

Holly/AM hooking up at the Journal wouldn’t have made me mad-she’d be making a little strike at Blake and also Ed who basically chose Eve over her. (How he cheats on Maureen then has women battling for him….

I increasingly think even if imperfect they could’ve at least somewhat improved two mid 90s issues by just casting Marcy Walker as Mindy. I think she could’ve been good as a more hardened version of Krista Simms’ Mindy and then there’s no Tangie. Plus one of the only people Tangie had decent chemistry with was Nick.

You're on target. Interestingly, there IS some development of an Eve/Holly/Blake dynamic coming up during the second half of 1993 (after Eve exits the mental institution). It's a logical development, especially since by then, Holly has solidly befriended/mentored Michelle after Maureen's death - which no doubt you've seen the beginning of in your current viewing. Holly longing to be with Ed. Blake wants to protect Ed from Eve. It's a passable story and a decent idea, but not fully realized. By that time, GL spends too much time and attention towards amping up Buzz, the Coopers and Lucy's intro. (An aside, there's a relatively decent, semi-frontburner David/Kat story coming your way by summer 1993. Monti Sharp is given an opportunity to step on the gas.)

It's Kimberley Simms, btw. When you say Krista Simms, I'm thinking Krista Tesreau, the first Mindy.

Marcy Walker as Mindy would be doable - I'd be curious if Walker could continue Simms' sex kitten aura, and whom Walker would have chemistry with as Mindy. What would a Marcy Walker/Jordan Clarke chemistry look like? Hmmm....

4 minutes ago, DRW50 said:

You guys almost make me want to go back and watch early 1993 again but that whole period, along with a good portion of the back half of 1992, broke my heart at the time. I'm not sure how far I'd get going through it all again.

Looking back, I do think Ann Hamilton should have had a little more time in the role. A part of me wonders if she was cast to fail so that viewers would support Barbara Crampton. This...did not work.

When Crampton was originally offered the role of Mindy by JFP, she turned it down. The role then was offered to Hamilton. A few months later, Crampton changed her mind, called JFP, and Hamilton was let go. What a lousy thing to do to Hamilton.

Just now, Speed Racer said:

When Crampton was originally offered the role of Mindy by JFP, she turned it down. The role then was offered to Hamilton. A few months later, Crampton changed her mind, called JFP, and Hamilton was let go. What a lousy thing to do to Hamilton.

A shame. IIRC, Crampton never did audition, which was a real mistake.

19 minutes ago, DRW50 said:

You guys almost make me want to go back and watch early 1993 again but that whole period, along with a good portion of the back half of 1992, broke my heart at the time. I'm not sure how far I'd get going through it all again.

Looking back, I do think Ann Hamilton should have had a little more time in the role. A part of me wonders if she was cast to fail so that viewers would support Barbara Crampton. This...did not work.

I'm planning to do some of that, but I'm waiting until AlwaysAMC starts viewing the Curlee era. AlwaysAMC provides details, and it's those details that will prompt me to view Curlee as time allows.

11 minutes ago, DRW50 said:

A shame. IIRC, Crampton never did audition, which was a real mistake.

Yep. Hence, my question re: Betty Rae's tenure. I very much doubt Rae would recommend Hamilton or Crampton for the role. Rae rarely misfired as casting director.