1 hour ago, GL95 said:

There was also the hot minute they had Dylan dating Eleni and appeared to be setting up the phenomenally boring triangle of Eleni/Dylan/Frank when they were still toying with A-M/Harley/Blake. What was funny is that Harley mentioning Daisy was why Eleni couldn't be with Dylan because of his values or something, but she then doesn't seem particularly fazed by A-M's two divorces in three years.

Other random observation from my current viewing: I am amused by Eleni/A-M living at the Spaulding mansion in the same bedroom where he was living with Blake and they kept the same set for when he was living there with Lucy.

Or the fact he had an affair with his brother's wife.

3 hours ago, P.J. said:

True re: just throwing Frank/Chelsea/Fletch in a story to use up their guarantees. They even had Fletch switch careers and go into business with Hamp and run the Blue Moon.

That era is where I first saw Fletcher. In his white jacket, pining over Chelsea.

Jay Hammer always did pining and the everyday moments and a bit of humor so well, I couldn't help liking Fletcher, even if his sanctimony annoyed me.

48 minutes ago, DRW50 said:

That era is where I first saw Fletcher. In his white jacket, pining over Chelsea.

Jay Hammer always did pining and the everyday moments and a bit of humor so well, I couldn't help liking Fletcher, even if his sanctimony annoyed me.

As I had completely forgotten about his involvement with Vanessa, I guess he didn't always annoy me. :)

26 minutes ago, P.J. said:

As I had completely forgotten about his involvement with Vanessa, I guess he didn't always annoy me. :)

I zoned most of that out too, oddly. I think because I was struggling to care around that point.

10 hours ago, DRW50 said:

I zoned most of that out too, oddly. I think because I was struggling to care around that point.

It's such a brief involvement (even though i cringed through most of it on rewatch and it seems like FOREVER) and it doesn't really impact any further story. So it's easily forgotten.

If only the same were true of *****.

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Fletcher/Vanessa seemed designed as a rebound of sorts for the two of them.. and also to wake Billy up to the fact that he still cared/loved his ex-wife. Had Ross not been entangled with Blake/Holly during that period, I would have preferred that Ross/Vanessa make another go of it.... alas.. not to be.

7 hours ago, Soaplovers said:

Fletcher/Vanessa seemed designed as a rebound of sorts for the two of them.. and also to wake Billy up to the fact that he still cared/loved his ex-wife. Had Ross not been entangled with Blake/Holly during that period, I would have preferred that Ross/Vanessa make another go of it.... alas.. not to be.

Oh, definitely they were a rebound relationship. It's just painful watching such a forced pairing. There's literally no one else on the canvas for either of them, and they really don't have anything in common other than having children the same age.

The natural pivot would've been to Ross, but as you say, they were building to Ross/Blake. I think it would've been harder for Billy to see Ross as a threat, because he knew they'd tried, more than once and they just couldn't make it work. In that way, Fletcher works, because Billy's confused by it and can't as easily dismiss the relationship.

I shouldn't complain as much, as it throws Billy and Van into some of my favorite tropes, (exes who can't stay away from each other, and who fight like there's no one else in the room). I think Jordan's sudden exit in '93 just makes me melancholy for the time lost in dealing with also rans like Nadine and Fletch.

21 minutes ago, P.J. said:

I shouldn't complain as much, as it throws Billy and Van into some of my favorite tropes, (exes who can't stay away from each other, and who fight like there's no one else in the room). I think Jordan's sudden exit in '93 just makes me melancholy for the time lost in dealing with also rans like Nadine and Fletch.

I wonder what stories Billy and Vanessa had planned - the custody battle, obviously, but I wonder if there were any others in the works.

27 minutes ago, DRW50 said:

I wonder what stories Billy and Vanessa had planned - the custody battle, obviously, but I wonder if there were any others in the works.

The what ifs are endless. I think the custody trial would've been pretty much the same, with some kind of shared custody between Billy/Van and Bridget. But, would Dinah have come back to Springfield? (Oh, imagine round 4 of Billy vs Roger over his involvement with Dinah.) Would Josh have come home, and if there's no Josh, does Reva return? If there's no Reva, there's no San Cristohell....sigh.

If I recall, Dinah was mentioned during the custody story in 1993/1994. There was a small arc where Dinah was preparing to come for a visit to see Ross while Blake was nervous to meet Dinah, but at the last second, Dinah wasn't on the plane. As it later turned out, Vanessa had asked Dinah not to come because she feared that if Dinah came to visit while she was in the custody battle with Bridget.. that it would reflect poorly on her.

I recall Ross was upset with Vanessa for doing that... but it would explain why Dinah seemed to have a chip on her shoulder about Vanessa when she did finally blow into town in early 1995.

So Wendy Moniz had shared that she was hired as Dinah in Fall '93 (Sydney Penny had tested but went to AMC) but Leonard Staab's accident postponed those plans and then when they decided to bring her back was in Feb. 95 (she was a GL fan and was watching when Dinah was brought up in conversation between Vanessa and Ross in'94 and was worried that they may have hired someone else -but it was a red herring). So, when Dinah did come back the plans were always to bring back Hart as well to pair them together

50 minutes ago, Robluvthebeach said:

So Wendy Moniz had shared that she was hired as Dinah in Fall '93 (Sydney Penny had tested but went to AMC) but Leonard Staab's accident postponed those plans and then when they decided to bring her back was in Feb. 95 (she was a GL fan and was watching when Dinah was brought up in conversation between Vanessa and Ross in'94 and was worried that they may have hired someone else -but it was a red herring). So, when Dinah did come back the plans were always to bring back Hart as well to pair them together

I never knew that. They had such long-range plans for her and actually stuck to them. I wonder if Julie ended up getting the bitch material intended for Dinah.