GL now joins some illustrious company in the cancelled soap thread.

Let's share memories and ask questions here.

49 minutes ago, Mona Kane Croft said:

Yes, Beverlee did have a slight accent which didn't really fit the character who had been raised in Manhattan and in boarding-schools in Europe.  But still, it worked.  And I doubt most casual fans even noticed it.  

Oh, I not only think it was noticed, but fans really liked it. Fans to this day speak favorably about her distinct pronunciation of Daddeeeeee.

Edited February 19Feb 19 by Contessa Donatella

4 hours ago, Soaplovers said:

Perhaps maybe there was a more pronounced accent back in the 80s in Oklahoma/Texas.

I am from Central Illinois, where presumably Oakdale and Springfield (fictional) existed (the farms, etc)..and there are actually Southern accents there..it wasn't until I moved to Chicago and people kept commenting on my accent...that I noticed it..( I won't go into the Southside Chicago accent that I was accosted with..I would always say, ..."I have an accent???" ) I think the issue is..that the Reva and the Lewis' have a "stage" accent..like they were doing regional Tennessee Williams,  that is very cartoonish..(again, they had poor Larry Gates say "Ya-HEWWW" before he entered every scene..and they dressed him like Boss Hogg..) H.B. and Billy, I can see having more of an accent..with Josh and Trish having less..but it was nice that they let it go past Kobe and they all talked in a more "normal" way..(Josh and Billy using "Darling"..but I think Gates got it best..with a slight twinge.)

 

5 hours ago, Vee said:

Precisely. There was no need for that. Phillip had been gone for years so whatever he did to the house was no longer relevant by 2008, and I sure don't remember seeing Harley living in a construction site before Peapack

Exactley..it was down rent Wheeler..who even without the budget had a down rent vision for the show...(who the hell wants to see a convenience store set??) The set was lazy (we don't have the finish the walls and save 130 bucks..and say it reflects their unfinished relatinship, but lets hang pictures up which no one in their right mind would do..) and the backyard was just an atrocity. I still think that Wheeler and the network thought the only people were watching were trailer trash..and I think by that time...

 

 

 

 

40 minutes ago, Contessa Donatella said:

Oh, I not only think it was noticed, but fans really liked it.

I think that worked for upper crust Alex..who was raised in the midwest...though I it didn't work for Bernua who always sounded like he came from an East Coast Boarding School. I do think the one thing that RR and Marj had going is that they did "seem" more Midwestern.

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6 hours ago, Contessa Donatella said:

Thanks. I understand, though, why they changed that.

Why it matters is obvious at least to me. Phillip destroyed Harley's house & if that was the beginning of its ramshackleness, then, you see?

Can't edit. #%#@ Apparently he did this very late in the 90s, so it would not pertain to this other conversation. Since no one chose to reply, I looked it up.

47 minutes ago, Mitch64 said:

 

(who the hell wants to see a convenience store set??)

 

47 minutes ago, Mitch64 said:

I am from Central Illinois, where presumably Oakdale and Springfield (fictional) existed (the farms, etc)..and there are actually Southern accents there..it wasn't until I moved to Chicago and people kept commenting on my accent...that I noticed it..( I won't go into the Southside Chicago accent that I was accosted with..I would always say, ..."I have an accent???" ) I think the issue is..that the Reva and the Lewis' have a "stage" accent..like they were doing regional Tennessee Williams,  that is very cartoonish..(again, they had poor Larry Gates say "Ya-HEWWW" before he entered every scene..and they dressed him like Boss Hogg..) H.B. and Billy, I can see having more of an accent..with Josh and Trish having less..but it was nice that they let it go past Kobe and they all talked in a more "normal" way..(Josh and Billy using "Darling"..but I think Gates got it best..with a slight twinge.)

 

(who the hell wants to see a convenience store set??)

That was down to 2 things.

1. Wheeler doggedly set out to prove you could support product within the show.

2. P&G gave no money for it, at all.

47 minutes ago, Mitch64 said:

I still think that Wheeler and the network thought the only people were watching were trailer trash..and I think by that time...

Is this you actually being serious?!!! Guess we're left with agree/to disagree, which is fine. 

47 minutes ago, Mitch64 said:

I think that worked for upper crust Alex..who was raised in the midwest...though I it didn't work for Bernua who always sounded like he came from an East Coast Boarding School. I do think the one thing that RR and Marj had going is that they did "seem" more Midwestern.

Never thought about it but I see what you mean about Marj. Not sure it applies to Ron. Ron was just so operatic or bombastic. Also see your point about Alexandra.

This reminds me of David Letterman. They say the closest naturally occurring accent for broadcast is midwestern & his was supposed to be some kind of ideal. Seems strange. Everyone else who wants to succeed as a broadcaster is supposed to take lessons to lose their accents. Did you know Letterman was a meteorologist in Indiana?

 

Edited February 19Feb 19 by Contessa Donatella

Our favorite Classics uploader has posted 1979 GL goodies. I don't remember seeing the scenes of Alan berating Jackie about her short hairstyle and later giving her the orchid. 

On 2/18/2025 at 7:39 PM, Mitch64 said:

I think the issue is..that the Reva and the Lewis' have a "stage" accent..like they were doing regional Tennessee Williams,  that is very cartoonish..(again, they had poor Larry Gates say "Ya-HEWWW" before he entered every scene..and they dressed him like Boss Hogg..

fwiw: larry gates did play the doctor in the film version of ‘cat on a hot tin roof.’ 

19 hours ago, SoapDope said:

Our favorite Classics uploader has posted 1979 GL goodies. I don't remember seeing the scenes of Alan berating Jackie about her short hairstyle and later giving her the orchid. 

Some more popped up today. One after Holly shot Roger!

Man--two things. Ross was evil. And I'm surprised Adam supported Roger as much as he did. 

Kim's back on Locher Room, with Paul Fitzgerald (who played Reva's doctor in the show's last few years).

 

Did everyone see the 2 hours of TGL from 1966, posted yesterday?

Man, the acting was soooo good  I was especially impressed by Fran Myers  Young Don Scardino was a bit syrupy, and he was still considered “young” two decades later on AW!  The hallucinating by Bill of Ed, Papa and Maggie was well done.  And it’s a little creepy to see Dr. Joe Werner hitting up Leslie Rogers!  No Gillian Spencer as Robin, sadly  

Let’s discuss.

 

2 hours ago, P.J. said:

Some more popped up today. One after Holly shot Roger!

Man--two things. Ross was evil. And I'm surprised Adam supported Roger as much as he did. 

Ross was a dirt bag. I remember the extreme tension between him and Holly when she returned to the show in the late 80's.

Yes, Adam really did take fatherly love and obligation to the extreme with Roger.  

Christopher Bernau was so good as Alan. He was the Alan I grew up with in the 80's. It's a shame he died so young. I would have loved to have seen his version of Alan and Roger tangle again. Maybe Lezlie Dalton could have been persuaded to return too.

Someone posted on youtube that Marland did not want to write for the Elizabeth character and wanted her off the show when he took over. I think he hated that entire storyline. All the actors/characters( with the exception of Phillip) that were involved in that late 70's storyline were gone by 1984. Alan did return in 1986. 

1 hour ago, anthonymolchan said:

Did everyone see the 2 hours of TGL from 1966, posted yesterday?

Man, the acting was soooo good  I was especially impressed by Fran Myers  Young Don Scardino was a bit syrupy, and he was still considered “young” two decades later on AW!  The hallucinating by Bill of Ed, Papa and Maggie was well done.  And it’s a little creepy to see Dr. Joe Werner hitting up Leslie Rogers!  No Gillian Spencer as Robin, sadly  

Let’s discuss.

 

Wasn't Robin already gone by this time?  Wasn't she Peggy's mother?  And why was Leslie's last name Rogers, rather than Jackson?   

I'm assuming these episodes are during the period that Mike Bauer was appearing on Another World.  And GL was in the slow transition from Selby Flats in southern California to Springfield, USA.  Am I correct about any of this?    

16 minutes ago, Mona Kane Croft said:

Wasn't Robin already gone by this time?  Wasn't she Peggy's mother?  And why was Leslie's last name Rogers, rather than Jackson?   

I'm assuming these episodes are during the period that Mike Bauer was appearing on Another World.  And GL was in the slow transition from Selby Flats in southern California to Springfield, USA.  Am I correct about any of this?    

Robin is married to Paul Fletcher at this time, but does not appear in these episodes. 
 

Peggy’s mother is Maggie Scott, Bill’s mistress, who appears in these episodes.

 

The location is unnamed but Cedars Hospital is mentioned and Papa Bauer has just returned from New York where he was living temporarily with Meta and Bruce. Papa speaks as if this has always been his home.

 

The fact is the show stopped mentioning its California location for sometime and then when the location was mentioned again, it was now Springfield.  Soap historians who say that every character on the show moved from California to Springfield are mistaken; they are just trying to fill in a plug in the show’s history when it was merely one of the first retcons on soaps.  Springfield was suddenly always the home of the show.  Meta mentions Five Points decades later as being a community nearby.  And while we saw Alan Spaulding move to Springfield and buy his house, a few years later the Spauldings  had always lived in Springfield and the house was now a mansion.

 

Yes, Leslie is Jackson, not Rogers. My bad. 
 

Springfield was occasionally mentioned on AW as being within driving distance of Bay City. Oakdale was nearby too. All of the P&G soaps either took place in the same state or across state lines.

Edited February 21Feb 21 by anthonymolchan
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8 minutes ago, anthonymolchan said:

Robin is married to Paul Fletcher at this time, but does not appear in these episodes. 
 

Peggy’s mother is Maggie Scott, Bill’s mistress, who appears in these episodes.

 

The location is unnamed but Cedars Hospital is mentioned and Papa Bauer has just returned from New York where he was living temporarily with Meta and Bruce. Papa speaks as if this has always been his home.

 

The fact is the show stopped mentioning its California location for sometime and then when the location was mentioned again, it was now Springfield.  Soap historians who say that every character on the show moved from California to Springfield are mistaken; they are just trying to fill in a plug in the show’s history when it was merely one of the first retcons on soaps.  Springfield was suddenly always the home of the show.  Meta mentions Five Points decades later as being a community nearby.  And while we saw Alan Spaulding move to Springfield and buy his house, a few years later the Spauldings  had always lived in Springfield and the house was now a mansion.

 

Yes, Leslie is Jackson, not Rogers. My bad. 
 

Springfield was occasionally mentioned on AW as being within driving distance of Bay City. Oakdale was nearby too. All of the P&G soaps either took place in the same state or across state lines.

2 hours ago, SoapDope said:

Ross was a dirt bag. I remember the extreme tension between him and Holly when she returned to the show in the late 80's.

Yes, Adam really did take fatherly love and obligation to the extreme with Roger.  

In the back of my head, I knew Ross was manipulative and cutthroat, but it's different seeing it in action. 

I remember Adam and Roger always having this fraught relationship, I just would've thought that by that time, Adam would've had a clearer image of Roger's manipulations.

And it's always a joy to see more of Cindy Pickett.

Edited February 21Feb 21 by P.J.

Is the new '66 stuff today material that was already up? I've already been revisiting that recently, a few people seem to have posted it over the years. I guess it can't be, since spooky Robin (Gillian Spencer) is in the material I'm watching.

Don Scardino's Johnny is a classic example of the poor little (sometimes rich) adolescent boy Agnes Nixon returned to so often - all the way down to Eric Nelsen's A.J. Chandler on AMC 2.0. And he's adorable. It's odd for me, knowing him best from Cruising.

I think it was such a huge blunder for GL to kill off Bill Bauer so casually (twice). Both incarnations I've seen, Ed Bryce and Lyle Sudrow's equally weak, boyish version, are fascinatingly flawed patriarchs.

2 hours ago, SoapDope said:

Someone posted on youtube that Marland did not want to write for the Elizabeth character and wanted her off the show when he took over. I think he hated that entire storyline. 

More fool him, if so. Lezlie Dalton was fascinating to me. I will say the big scenes where she leaves Phillip to Jackie at the end of '80? '81? are absolutely shattering, even with the recast Jackie instead of Cindy Pickett. Just beautiful work by everyone.

I had forgotten Mike Bauer was on AW. What did he get up to over there?

Edited February 21Feb 21 by Vee

5 minutes ago, Vee said:

Is the new '66 stuff today material that was already up? I've already been revisiting that recently, a few people seem to have posted it over the years. I guess it can't be, since spooky Robin (Gillian Spencer) is in the material I'm watching.

Don Scardino's Johnny is a classic example of the poor little (sometimes rich) adolescent boy Agnes Nixon returned to so often - all the way down to Eric Nelsen's A.J. Chandler on AMC 2.0. And he's adorable. It's odd for me, knowing him best from Cruising.

I think it was such a huge blunder for GL to kill off Bill Bauer so casually (twice). Both incarnations I've seen, Ed Bryce and Lyle Sudrow's equally weak, boyish version, are fascinatingly flawed patriarchs.

More fool him, if so. Lezlie Dalton was fascinating to me. I will say the big scenes where she leaves Phillip to Jackie at the end of '80? '81? are absolutely shattering, even with the recast Jackie instead of Cindy Pickett. Just beautiful work by everyone.

I had forgotten Mike Bauer was on AW. What did he get up to over there?

Mike worked with John Randolph and flirted with John’s wife, Pat.