Be patient and when things don't get better, which has been the case with Y&R to many, then what?

That's the problem with pollyannas and apologists, they keep excusing badly written crap and when things don't get better, they make up more excuses for why it's not happening to justify the crappy condition of the show. They can't admit when something is broken, and live in utter denial about the circumstances.

So anyway, "Colleen" will be dying when she drowns next week or so....

so again, why do we need another death? Also, why did they have to kill off a girl whose father they killed off similarly earlier in the year? We saw that there was NO AFTERMATH or ramifications from Brad's death. So, the question remains, why this this hack regime like killing off characters constantly? Doesn't anyone leave town anymore?

They seem to be killing their net generation anyway. No one can come of with lame excuses for why "Colleen" had to die, regardless of the actress. The character has many ties on the show and could have been a vital part of it.The role could have also been recast.

Will there be any real ramifications from Colleen's death? If Brad's death showed us anything and knowing how this writing regime of hacks like to skip over everything, I seriously doubt it.

alphanguy74, didn't you say you were going to be very upset if they killed Colleen off?

Be patient and when things don't get better, which has been the case with Y&R to many, then what?

That's the problem with pollyannas and apologists, they keep excusing badly written crap and when things don't get better, they make up more excuses for why it's not happening to justify the crappy condition of the show. They can't admit when something is broken, and live in utter denial about the circumstances.

I just said 2/3 of the show is shitty SL's, how is that apologist? And how patient do you be? For me, being patient in the soap world is waiting a year or two, not a few weeks, like you seem to think. There where that instant gratification thing comes in. When the reliquary was going on, I suffered through it, and things got better again. Now things are in a bad place OVERALL, but there are still things to enjoy on a day to day basis. But I'm not one to throw the whole apple away because of a bruise, I trim it off, and eat the rest.

Waiting a year or two for things to get better? LOL

Again, how many times have we been fed this give it time excuse with writer after writer when NOTHING gets better?

Y&R and daytime soaps might not have 5 years left, so a year or two of waiting is too much to ask for in THIS CLIMATE.

Y'all two....

It's like the Hatfields and McCoys up in here, boys! But entertaining as all get-out.

Be patient and when things don't get better, which has been the case with Y&R to many, then what?

That's the problem with pollyannas and apologists, they keep excusing badly written crap and when things don't get better, they make up more excuses for why it's not happening to justify the crappy condition of the show. They can't admit when something is broken, and live in utter denial about the circumstances.

Edited September 2, 200916 yr by DeeeDee

Wow. Just wow.

Your ignorance is astonishing.

Sounds like you in the Adam/Rafe/Phillip threads.

:lol: :lol:

In the words of Rodney King, can't we all just get along

Here's the problem. TIIC at this show should NOT have to sacrifice telling one type of minority story in order to tell another. A talented writer could tell Sharon's baby drama story at the same time as peeling back the layers of Rafe's life AND writing the Winters clan with dignity and respect. There's no need to put one minority on backburner for another. At all.

I truly sincerely hope that no one believes that crack is solely an addiction for black people. If so, that's just sad. And infuriating.

I SO agree with this post!! Y&R doesn't know how to write for minority characters, period; perhaps they should take some lessons from OLTL in this instance.

FYI: I've never associated any drug as a black, white or gay drug of choice however there are such a thing as a rich man's drug of choice and the poor man's drug of choice. I do agree with alphanguy74 though, anyone, regardless of race, that trades sex for drugs are the crack ho's or what have you!

I SO agree with this post!! Y&R doesn't know how to write for minority characters, period; perhaps they should take some lessons from OLTL in this instance.

But of course, Y&R has known how to write for them for 25 years... it's just this regime in the last year that has struggled. My defense is of the motivation behind it, and not the lack of SL. I'm not ready to say the show is racist because of a "burp" in the presence of black SL over a 25 year period. I honestly see them as not really knowing what to DO WITH THESE black characters. In the Winters family, the two main characters that drove story ar GONE, Dru, and Malcolm. And both actors were NOT fired, they left of their own volition. Shemar is willing to come back, but only for a little bit... and while that might be nice for some, it doesn't do the long term black SL any real service, and with Rowell gone as well, your'e left with Lily, who is an anoying character, played by an equally annoying actress, and Neil and Olivia, who are both reactionary fuddy-duddies. All your spark is gone, and it's hard to know what to do with what's left. I think Neil leaving Victor and hooking up with Kay was an attempt at that. I also think Olivia being involved in the early parts of Ashley's gaslight SL are ALSO an attempt at that. I just think they are struggling at what to do with them, and they havne't figure dit out yet. I don't see it as some racist KKK soap opera conspiracy theory that some do. The major complaint I have in this department right NOW, is the absence of Kristoff, that just doens't make any kind of sense, no matter HOW you slice it. It almost smells like they are "punishing" him for some backstage whatever that we don't know about... which might explain his terse interview a couple weeks ago.

Edited September 2, 200916 yr by alphanguy74

Blacks aren't the only "minority" characters, people have also been upset with the writing for women and the horrible representation of gays on Y&R over the past year or so...

I SO agree with this post!! Y&R doesn't know how to write for minority characters, period; perhaps they should take some lessons from OLTL in this instance.

FYI: I've never associated any drug as a black, white or gay drug of choice however there are such a thing as a rich man's drug of choice and the poor man's drug of choice. I do agree with alphanguy74 though, anyone, regardless of race, that trades sex for drugs are the crack ho's or what have you!

So might, some usually steal from family memebers. Money or other things to sell on the street to get the money. If things get to deep. They will ask a family memeber to help them out of a jam. I guess if you love that family memeber you'll pay it off for them. Some get the cash from their welfare card. When I was 8 to 10 my brother use to play this game with his younger siblings. 5 would get you 10. 10 would get you 20.

Didn't Crack Ho Yolanda ask Devon for money? Didn't she also went to the Winters house a stole some stuff.

Edited September 2, 200916 yr by MoTheGreat

Blacks aren't the only "minority" characters, people have also been upset with the writing for women and the horrible representation of gays on Y&R over the past year or so...

What happen to Phylis she get a Newman pipe & she done a lost her damn mind & backbone. I never thought that CkLily was strong so no commit. Mac had her convictions but what they have done to her right now is very wrong. I think that's why I like Chloe.

Edited September 2, 200916 yr by MoTheGreat

Blacks aren't the only "minority" characters, people have also been upset with the writing for women and the horrible representation of gays on Y&R over the past year or so...

Pretty much.

But of course, Y&R has known how to write for them for 25 years... it's just this regime in the last year that has struggled. My defense is of the motivation behind it, and not the lack of SL. I'm not ready to say the show is racist because of a "burp" in the presence of black SL over a 25 year period. I honestly see them as not really knowing what to DO WITH THESE black characters. In the Winters family, the two main characters that drove story ar GONE, Dru, and Malcolm. And both actors were NOT fired, they left of their own volition. Shemar is willing to come back, but only for a little bit... and while that might be nice for some, it doesn't do the long term black SL any real service, and with Rowell gone as well, your'e left with Lily, who is an anoying character, played by an equally annoying actress, and Neil and Olivia, who are both reactionary fuddy-duddies. All your spark is gone, and it's hard to know what to do with what's left. I think Neil leaving Victor and hooking up with Kay was an attempt at that. I also think Olivia being involved in the early parts of Ashley's gaslight SL are ALSO an attempt at that. I just think they are struggling at what to do with them, and they havne't figure dit out yet. I don't see it as some racist KKK soap opera conspiracy theory that some do. The major complaint I have in this department right NOW, is the absence of Kristoff, that just doens't make any kind of sense, no matter HOW you slice it. It almost smells like they are "punishing" him for some backstage whatever that we don't know about... which might explain his terse interview a couple weeks ago.

That's just it, the Winters family needs their Dru back since she was the backbone and fire of the family. Neil is too boring of a character to fulfill that role and CK's Lily is just as bland. Could Rauch's influence be the blame here even though MAB claims that it's HER vision or is it equal distribution of fault?

Blacks aren't the only "minority" characters, people have also been upset with the writing for women and the horrible representation of gays on Y&R over the past year or so...

I agree and that was my intention of the minorities comment. The women are one of my biggest gripes right now. They are either so out of character (as in Mac sleeping with a married Billy), bitchy, weak or insignificant (Colleen).