Y&R: Episodes discussion., Week of June 29,2009

[MarkH]

We gotta get that into the spoiler thread.

[DRW50]

It's just being bandied around so far, hopefully it's not true.

[loveshery&r]

This needs mention too:

SORRY I CANNOT FIGURE OUT HOW TO POST A SPOILER!!

[DRW50]

Try the [ and then spoiler and then ] put in your text then [/ and spoiler and then ]

[Y&RWorldTurner]

NOT

!!!!

Don't TPTB know how universally loved he is?

[loveshery&r]

The Scoobies need him for when they get that van... who said that I forget sorry but so funny!

[Y&RWorldTurner]

Don't they have a pet in Gloria already?

[MTSRocks]

Re. Jill/Katherine.

At first I disliked the fall out but now it's understandable. What more can they do? You can't just erase the fact that they were mother/daughter for a couple of years and formed a bond. Viewers want to see them back clawing each others eyes out, but what's the point, really? The fact that their not mother/daughter anymore should be satisfying enough, and I don't find the writing anymore insulting for either character than it was during the later Jack Smith days, and especially the LML days. These two characters are better off than they have been in years. As well, I'm thankful that they didn't rush them into the "okay, I have to find my REAL mother/daughter now." I like that Katherine seems to be over the feud, yet, I do admit Jill's tantrum is getting old. Plus, I'm sure they're trying not to go over Jess/Jeanne episode guarantees.

[cara mia]

YES! Finally a spoiler I like

. So far no one has actually made Victor suffer yet. This will really upset him! I've been so ticked off as stupid Adam for messing with Ashley when he should have been targeting Victor directly. The first thing that boy should have done was

to Victor & Jack! Thank goodness

knows how to bring the hurt.

I believe that was me, but surely we were all thinking it!

[MTSRocks]

Letting a man believe he's the father of your baby and then freaking out at him when he's trying to do good by you is much worse. Sharon is the ultimate martyr. Jack was good to that bitch. Too good. Yet, Sharon kept yearning for Nick. Jack never stood a chance. Yes, he lied to her. But even when he wasn't lying and being good to her, Sharon always had to remind him how much of an ass he is. I liked Sharon/Jack, but Case never sold it, so it was hard to commit to that couple.

[DRW50]

I'm not even sure how many viewers care about seeing them claw each other's eyes out. I think they just want them to share the complicated dynamic they did for years. Instead, they've reduced them to old contrived yarns like Jill overhears at the wrong time, or Jill refuses to believe Katherine is actually ill. Their scenes are always about dragging out the same note as often as possible. It's like they don't even want to write for the characters together. They have this new life for Katherine, a new husband, while Jill is there for viewers to look down on.

[Juliajms]

I like her a lot too.

I hope they do. Soaps so rarely have full siblings. It won't make any difference to the recasting of Victoria. It either will or won't happen. I think they may give AH the opportunity to save face by taking an indefinite maternity leave and recasting.

I hope so. Even though I've liked aspects of their relationship this should be the straw that breaks the camels back. Jack did a lot of lying to Sharon, but he never F*cked her sibling or let her think she had a baby she desperately wanted when she didn't. In my book, that's one of the worst things you could do to a person, and in this case, it doesn't even make sense that Sharon would go down this ridiculous road.

[cara mia]

The age difference is a problem with Sharon & Jack because she's such a needy child and he's so controlling, so it comes off as ick. I have zero problems with a couple with an age difference as long as both characters are on the same wavelength. Chloe's younger than Sharon but I would rather see her with Jack than Sharon. I could imagine Chloe & Jack having a level of honesty and respect that is not there between Sharon & Jack. This is another reason I hate this Quad. Nick, Sharon and Phyllis are all aimless immature Gen-eXers. They should be in the same romantic triangle. Jack is a boomer though, a Vietnam vet, a titan who has gone mano a mano with Victor Newman. He should either be with a woman who is his equal (Jill before her collapse) or a sharp sexy thing who adores him unconditionally (potentially Chloe or -- if they could act, Heather or Tyra). Men like Jack do not chase women like Sharon. No [!@#$%^&*] way. She gives him nothing intellectually and whatever she does him for him sexually, he can get somewhere else with a lot less trouble. A much more believable Quad would have Cane replacing Jack. Whatever fanbase Cane & Lily have surely cannot compare to the rabid fanbase that Sharon & Cane and/or Phyllis & Cane would create. If we're going to have a quad, do it right! Make all 4 possible permutations credible -- that is the key to making them all red hot.

[Juliajms]

[Y&RWorldTurner]

I just don't want another pregnancy or miscarriage on this show. There's been so many over the last year.