Members Y&RWorldTurner Posted July 8, 2009 Author Members Share Posted July 8, 2009 But his death drove that feud for years, and existed before and after his alleged existence on earth. It's the terrible writing for Jill and Kay as to why their dynamic is no longer interesting and is totally convoluted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members alphanguy74 Posted July 8, 2009 Members Share Posted July 8, 2009 And why? You've said your'e not going to watch past August, so why would you even care if he stays around? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Y&RWorldTurner Posted July 8, 2009 Author Members Share Posted July 8, 2009 Because sooner or later, I'm going to want to watch again, and if he's there, that means I'm less likely to enjoy the show again. But, I don't have the same faith as you all that he will last past 6 months. I think this "gay" thing is purely for "hype" reasons and Maria has no intention of exploring that aspect of any character in detail. You all see how the kisses and "sex" between Adam and Rafe are being done on this show - off screen or staged in the most fake of ways. I think they're using it to drum up some sort of attention and hype from the gay community/supporters of the gay community. They must have seen the type of mainstream attention that horrendous Nuke pairing has gotten on ATWT. And btw, didn't you call this thread a "swirling vortex of negative energy?" Why are you still posting in it again then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members alphanguy74 Posted July 8, 2009 Members Share Posted July 8, 2009 Because I feel the need to brighten up the place. Everyone kept naggin her to come up with something unique, creative, something that's never been done before... and that's what she did. I don't think any soap character has ever faked his own death cause he was gay. So she got the idea from meeting with Bierdz, it's a heck of alot better than Alden getting the idea for the Kay/Joanne SL from an article in COSMO! (I STILL roll my eyes at THAT one) I just don't get what it is you WANT from Bierdz as an actor. Do you want him to act out of character and be all expressive and weepy? Do you have problems with ANY character who is awkward and uncomfortable expressing themselves? (Such as ASHBASH's Mac)? And I also don't understand why your'e so convinced that MAB is not gonna follow through on a meaningful gay SL, none of us has a crystal ball, she might, she might not. But you seem so sure, even before it's really gotten off the ground, and why? Because we didn't get a man/man kiss in the first week? Kind of flimsy evidence if you ask me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Y&RWorldTurner Posted July 8, 2009 Author Members Share Posted July 8, 2009 But do you have faith they'll portray the gay aspect of this storyline realistically and effectively, alphanguy74? Does the off camera sex and fake stage kisses between Adam and Rafe really give you anything to hope for? I happened to enjoy AshBash's Mac, she might not have been the best actor, but she acted out exactly what was written for her and she did an OK job. With Bierdz, all I'm seeing an epic fail on all accounts thus far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Y&RWorldTurner Posted July 8, 2009 Author Members Share Posted July 8, 2009 Why are the "straight" couples allowed to kiss and have sex on screen, yet their first gay sex scene and kiss is done OFF screen? That seems pretty fishy to me. Maria claimed she was going to be doing this realistically and give it equal treatment, yet that hasn't been done thus far. You're telling me that we couldn't have at least seen Adam and Rafe cuddle after their first encounter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members alphanguy74 Posted July 8, 2009 Members Share Posted July 8, 2009 Oh, he's not an epic failure and you know it. You want to see epic failure, look at ATWT , and squarely at an actor like Silbermann... now THERE is epic failure. And I DO have faith, because you have a gay actor at the center of it. You don't have a bunch of straight people sitting around with nobody to guide them. Whether she'll spend the time to develop it, it TRULY don't know. It's a crapshoot. But I'm not ready to say she's NOT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Y&RWorldTurner Posted July 8, 2009 Author Members Share Posted July 8, 2009 The way she's treating the sexual aspect of this Adam and Rafe storyline, and with Nelson apparently saying it was her choice not to show any love scene between them on screen, not CBS, doesn't give me much faith on just how far she's willing to push things or if she's willing to push things at all, regardless if a gay actor is in the center of it all or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members alphanguy74 Posted July 8, 2009 Members Share Posted July 8, 2009 I think your'e expecting her to give the gay SL equal treatment right out of the gate. I know this makes many viewers uncomfortable, and in an environment of low ratings for all of daytime, it makes sense for her to EASE into it, and THEN treat it normally. I wish it wasn't that way, but I've accepted it as reality. Of course, Branco seems to think she's not showing the "loving" aspects of Adam/Rafe cause it's not based in love, and that's not the message she wants to send. Possible. Who knows. But I'll enjoy watching it play out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members alphanguy74 Posted July 8, 2009 Members Share Posted July 8, 2009 But on the other hand, having Adam burn a fetus in the fireplace and Patty Jane poison a child tells me she DOES have intentions of pushing the envelope. But it might not be in a GOOD way, but it MIGHT. I'm just not one to condemn until it's played out, that's all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Y&RWorldTurner Posted July 8, 2009 Author Members Share Posted July 8, 2009 Nelson said it was her/the show's choice not to show the love scene on screen. I mean if she had the option to do it, at lest ONE time, why did she not take it? If it's fear, then why is she pursuing this storyline at all? The fear and lack of confidence will obviously hinder her storytelling and if she's not willing to push the envelope a bit, then it seems highly manipulative, as if she's just doing it to get attention, especially from the gay community. We'll see if she ever gives us a full on gay sex scene no matter how tame it is, but who knows if we'll ever get to see one play out on screen anyway. Y&R hardly ever develops any romance for its straight couples anymore anyway. You've said so yourself that Y&R currently lacks a lot of romance. Who knows if they can properly handle any gay romance story should Phillip III ever find a lover if they can't do it for straight couples. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DRW50 Posted July 8, 2009 Members Share Posted July 8, 2009 If the show is committed to actually making Katherine and Jill equally at fault in a story, then he could be a part of their feud, but it's only going to have limited impact if the result is scene after scene of Jill shrieking that Katherine drove Phillip away from her as everyone else stands beside Katherine and tells Jill she's a nut. I'd rather see Phillip bring Jill and Katherine into more of an understanding. I think he would be best served as a character who appears for a few months to tie up his relationships, and atone, if he can, for the unforgiveable thing he did to his son (not even mentioning everyone else). Then perhaps he could become like Brock, and appear for special occasions. One thing I hope they won't do is kill him off again. The dramatic irony stuff is not usually as clever in reality as it is in the head of the writer. That would just be an anticlimax. I hope whatever happens to him he leaves the canvas alive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members y&r_fan Posted July 8, 2009 Members Share Posted July 8, 2009 Brad Bell's WORST MISTAKE EVER. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DRW50 Posted July 8, 2009 Members Share Posted July 8, 2009 I was thinking about Phillip on GL, but Macy is one of the most depressing and accurate examples. Poor Macy She was too good for what that show became in the past decade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members classicmoment Posted July 8, 2009 Members Share Posted July 8, 2009 So I'm down to reading the epis online again. Not intrigued anymore. nope! No energy or effort to watch in real time nor any to watch online or record and ff through all the nonsense. Too plot driven. When the good epis hit I'll catch it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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