That's a very high-and-mighty way of looking at the soap fan. Because someone completely dissects the flaws within the written structure of the show or someone's performance(something that movie critics and TV critics like Matt Roush do on a daily basis), there's this assumption that that they have "no life"? Which, feel free to correct me if I am wrong, but that kind of quote(along with your status update) is open for such interpretation.

I guess it's only fair to say fans that love EVERYTHING about a soap or another type of TV show are the ones who are exempt from this kind of lashing.

If that's the case, then [Hillary]Shame on you brimike![/Hillary]

Woah, woah, woah. I wasn't saying they had no life. I was making a statement on how much energy is channeled into negativity and anger more than I was saying they didn't have a life.

I've got 2900 posts on here. I'm the last person who should judge people on a message board having no life. LOL! I just try and vary it up a bit. A little humor, a little bitterness, a little positivity, a little negativity.

Edited July 3, 200916 yr by brimike

Yeah, soaps were created to sell detergent to housewives who enjoyed voyeurism, but with anything that is presented to an audience, it will be judged.

Wow. I can't believe you wrote that! I agree with your perspective on all of this.

Check out the last 20 seconds of this clip. while Walton, Cast, Cooper, even Goffard and Khalil are trying to sell this nonsensical and crappy storyline, in comes Thom Bierdz who thinks he's doing some parody on soap acting. It's F.UCKING HILARIOUS, he totally throws everything off in his one line. If his bad acting is all I can take from this absurd storyline, well, at least I get something to laugh at, even if it's not intentional from the show.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIXM54MNM_4

This is still my show, and I view this is a fairly rapid and recent drift--since May. Thus, I imagine things will correct almost as quickly. Unlike others, I do have confiidence that this team can self-correct. If they don't, I imagine then there will be some navel-gazing.

Good for you, but future spoilers don't make me optimistic, they make me very worried. Y&R will never recover unless a better HW is in there and these three are gone, but that's just me.

But anyway, if ratings and demos continue to thread downwards, who knows what will happen. Will CBS/Sony be content that their #1 and flagship soap is going down in households/viewers/demos? And you know they don't make that much out of online streaming.

But BY ALL THAT IS HOLY, please "bless the beasts and children" (and veterans). NO MORE DEATH FOR A LONG TIME...please, please, please.

The death of an animal does count, right?

This show has a fascination with murder anyway, especially this regime. So really, who can rule that out?

Check out the last 20 seconds of this clip. while Walton, Cast, Cooper, even Goffard and Khalil are trying to sell this nonsensical and crappy storyline, in comes Thom Bierdz who thinks he's doing some parody on soap acting. It's F.UCKING HILARIOUS, he totally throws everything off in his one line. If his bad acting is all I can take from this absurd storyline, well, at least I get something to laugh at, even if it's not intentional from the show.

They should have payed McTavish to write the big reveal!

Good for you, but future spoilers don't make me optimistic, they make me very worried. Y&R will never recover unless a better HW is in there and these three are gone, but that's just me.

But anyway, if ratings and demos continue to thread downwards, who knows what will happen. Will CBS/Sony be content that their #1 and flagship soap is going down in households/viewers/demos? And you know they don't make that much out of online streaming.

The death of an animal does count, right?

This show has a fascination with murder anyway, especially this regime. So really, who can rule that out?

The death of an animal counts MAJORLY. Especially a little guy we saw from puppyhood, and who helped Victor during his darkest days. I know folks say "should we care more about animals than humans?" and all that...but the difference between an animal and a human on a soap is that the animal is pure innocence.

You know what I don't get? It seems to me that certain posters are way more generous to this show than with other soaps they watch or have watched. Like they'll excuse big holes in the storylines on Y&R, and say they're watching for the scenes and individual episodes or whatever, yet they aren't as kind to others shows. I may be wrong, but do some really want to like this show that badly?

I hate judging soaps in comparison to others. Y&R by itself is doing exactly what all the other soaps are being accused of, yet it somehow gets a free pass from some. I don't get it, and I ever will.

Edited July 3, 200916 yr by Y&RWorldTurner

You know what I don't get? It seems to me that certain posters are way more generous to this show than with other soaps they watch or have watched. Like they'll excuse big holes in the storylines on Y&R, and say they're watching for the scenes and individual episodes or whatever, yet they aren't as kind to others shows. I may be wrong, but do some really want to like this show that badly?

I hate judging soaps in comparison to others. Y&R by itself is doing exactly what all the other soaps are being accused of, yet it somehow gets a free pass from some. I don't get it, and I ever will.

I have a feeling I'm not one of those posters you have in mind but, I can honestly say that Y&R is still acceptable and sometimes riveting to me because of the incredible actors on the show. In just about every storyline, there are a handful of gifted, talented, seasoned actors. The fact that they can pull off a lot of the malarkey that goes on in Y&R is laudable.

I stopped watching OLTL because of the resolution of the inane Todd/Marty mental re-rape whatever mess. And it wasn't that TSJ and Haskell were bad but DePaiva and Easton are. If the same exact gaslighting plot were retold on OLTL, with all the craptastic actors on that show, it'd be impossible to watch IMO.

I saw some old clips of Thom Bierdz. To me he was always bad. They didn't have to bring him back to undo Cane is not Philip 3rd.

You know what I don't get? It seems to me that certain posters are way more generous to this show than with other soaps they watch or have watched. Like they'll excuse big holes in the storylines on Y&R, and say they're watching for the scenes and individual episodes or whatever, yet they aren't as kind to others shows. I may be wrong, but do some really want to like this show that badly?

A blatant call-out: MarkH & GH. Whereas completely forgiving and soaked in joy over Y&R, he is completely dismissive and nasty when it comes to GH.

Edited July 3, 200916 yr by Sylph

I have a feeling I'm not one of those posters you have in mind but, I can honestly say that Y&R is still acceptable and sometimes riveting to me because of the incredible actors on the show. In just about every storyline, there are a handful of gifted, talented, seasoned actors. The fact that they can pull off a lot of the malarkey that goes on in Y&R is laudable.

I stopped watching OLTL because of the resolution of the inane Todd/Marty mental re-rape whatever mess. And it wasn't that TSJ and Haskell were bad but DePaiva and Easton are. If the same exact gaslighting plot were retold on OLTL, with all the craptastic actors on that show, it'd be impossible to watch IMO.

I thought TSJ was bad. Kassie DePaiva is one of the only reasons I'm sticking with OLTL.

People still want to believe Y&R is going to save daytime. I can understand that. Hogan also tends to be seen as a savior when he joins a soap, so that attitude is also out there. Add in the fawning coverage MAB has gotten, and it makes sense.

People still want to believe Y&R is going to save daytime.

And that's the biggest problem of all. It's not. Nothing is. We are in The End of Days. It's sad. But Y&R isn't going to save anything. These shows will be gone in a few years. Yes, even Y&R.

Edited July 3, 200916 yr by brimike

And that's the biggest problem of all. It's not. Nothing is. We are in The End of Days. It's sad. But Y&R isn't going to save anything. These shows will be gone in a few years. Yes, even Y&R.

You're probably right (I think some may last another 5-10 years), but even this will have some type of appeal. There's always a big market for the "why don't people understand this show's brilliance like I do," type of show. I think that kept Buffy and Angel on the air several years after the shows stopped being all that magnificent. In daytime, we saw this quite a bit with OLTL last year.

A blatant call-out: MarkH & GH. Whereas completely forgiving and soaked in joy over Y&R, he is completely dismissive and nasty when it comes to GH.

I'm sorry if I seem dismissive and nasty. I'm a terrible person to judge from.

I watched GH from childhood (as early as I could remember...at least since 1970) through Luke and Laura (specifically, I'd guess, when Laura walked off into the fog and disappeared). I continued to monitor through the 80s, but by the time of the 90s (the Labine/Riche rebirth) I never watched.

With the advent of Soapnet, I have tried to watch again. I do not care for what I am watching...nothing about it engages me. I do like many of the performances, I like the humor (SpinMax). But I tuned in, for example, during the MetroCourt hostage taking. I was horrified to watch Alan (whom I loved as a villain in the Monty days) slowly and agonizingly dying over days. I found that disgusting, disrespectful, and hard to watch. I'd feel no differently if Catherine Chancellor were offed in the same way.

But apparently I have offended, for which I will apologize. I just can't get back into the show, but I haven't given it a lot of time and effort either. What I do like about the show is how they have trimmed their cast down to a core. I think Y&R should do the same.

You know what I don't get? It seems to me that certain posters are way more generous to this show than with other soaps they watch or have watched. Like they'll excuse big holes in the storylines on Y&R, and say they're watching for the scenes and individual episodes or whatever, yet they aren't as kind to others shows. I may be wrong, but do some really want to like this show that badly?

I hate judging soaps in comparison to others. Y&R by itself is doing exactly what all the other soaps are being accused of, yet it somehow gets a free pass from some. I don't get it, and I ever will.

Why do you think we've dropped the other soaps? Obviously we (or speaking for myself) I, still find enjoyment in Y&R. I can't say the same thing about any other soap at the moment. I find most of the criticism on here to be redundant, juvenile, and petty comments anyway. Well, the ones that fail to provide any constructive arguments.

Edited July 3, 200916 yr by MTSRocks