I can do that for ya!

LOL

I can almost hear Alvin standing up and cheering right now.

It's a good thing I get over anger really quickly!

Life's been quite sh!tty lately, so Y&R is probably getting some deflected frustration too.

The World is about to fall... Wake up, Maria Arena! If your biggest fan ever in the world of all time has problems with your show, you must consider quitting!

As a matter of fact I want triangles etc to last as long as possible. I want the show to commit to them for many years and always find new ways to keep them interesting. Lucas/Sami/Austin/Carrie and Billie/Bo/Hope were great soap stories, if someone likes the JERDAYS style. Brooke/Ridge/Taylor kept B&B interesting for at least ten years, while Lucas/Leslie/Lance/Lori (which I have never watched) also lasted several years.

The problem with the Y&R Quad is that these four people don't belong in a romantic story. Jack was always like a father to Nick and all characters have been ruined in the process for several reasons. The Quad doesn't bring anything to any of them.

The QUAD should have been a small part of the bigger story/picture for all 4 characters in order to move them on in other directions. These are characters that I love just for being the characters that they are. They are multi-dimension, they are flawed, unique, intelligent and strong in their own ways. To now make them only about this stupid plot (quad/wtd/musical beds/idiots) takes away all of those qualities in which I as a viewer love. There is nothing to love anymore. Being in this quad is not THE story for all these intricate characters when is TPTB going to realize that? There is more to each of them. The plots and individual character actions cannot be rational for the average intelligent viewer watching this story play out. The funny thing is they seemingly think they have so many miles ahead for this story but it is having the opposite effect for me as a viewer. I never want to see these four together again at this point (for me to enjoy the story as well as the characters). To me it is more obvious to have these characters branch out and play their dynamics with each other more subtle until it's reached the ultimate climax then wrap it up and call it a day. Now I don't care what the ultimate climax is I just want to not have to see what these characters each have been reduced to and are being kept as for the sake and purposes of this plot.

The QUAD should have been a small part of the bigger story/picture for all 4 characters in order to move them on in other directions. These are characters that I love just for being the characters that they are. They are multi-dimension, they are flawed, unique, intelligent and strong in their own ways. To now make them only about this stupid plot (quad/wtd/musical beds/idiots) takes away all of those qualities in which I as a viewer love. There is nothing to love anymore. Being in this quad is not THE story for all these intricate characters when is TPTB going to realize that? There is more to each of them. The plots and individual character actions cannot be rational for the average intelligent viewer watching this story play out. The funny thing is they seemingly think they have so many miles ahead for this story but it is having the opposite effect for me as a viewer. I never want to see these four together again at this point (for me to enjoy the story as well as the characters). To me it is more obvious to have these characters branch out and play their dynamics with each other more subtle until it's reached the ultimate climax then wrap it up and call it a day. Now I don't care what the ultimate climax is I just want to not have to see what these characters each have been reduced to and are being kept as for the sake and purposes of this plot.

Very much like Victor/Nikki/Ashley was for years. Even when their storylines weren't necessarily about "The Triangle", they were always ABOUT "The Triangle". Y'know?

Very much like Victor/Nikki/Ashley was for years. Even when their storylines weren't necessarily about "The Triangle", they were always ABOUT "The Triangle". Y'know?

So, I guess we could argue that the original tale was also "the quad", because Jack was in it (too).

The compelling dynamic is that we could see with Victor with both Nikki and Ashley, and saw the "love" in both directions. I guess Nick-Phyllis-Sharon could be the same...except that (and I say this with great respect), Nicholas is no Victor.

Now Morrow can be really sexy and engaging...but he's not being that right now. I CAREFULLY compared his emotions yesterday with Summer to the Cassie arc (using Youtube to aid comparison). He is not into this storyline, and it shows.

In both quads, Jack was the "spoiler". For Nikki, as with Sharon, he was the supportive man. I don't believe Nikki ever really loved him like a wife should love her husband. But Jack had other reasons to be in the story. His desire to protect Ashley. His desire to screw with Victor.

In the current quad, Jack's participation makes much less sense. Okay, maybe he loves the damaged Sharon--in part because she is damaged. And I guess he has this "baby hunger", but it plays so flat since he is utterly disregarding his two sons. His feelings to Nick are far more conflicted--including the "stepfather" dynamic--which makes it all a little ickier. And the fact that Bergman is old enough to be the 'daddy'--and HAS been--really screws this up.

Bergman is solid gold! But it is thankless that he's in this story. He was never the right fit for it.

Your comment makes me wonder if the original "triangle" could still work in this day and age.

The World is about to fall... Wake up, Maria Arena! If your biggest fan ever in the world of all time has problems with your show, you must consider quitting!

This story is centered on Sharon, which is the main reason I think the story has been floundering, because Sharon's actions are all plot-based. It's getting to the point where "lovers" or "haters" no longer see a character, but see the gears winding. That's a precarious place for the show to go, because if people stop believing, they stop caring.

I'm not asking this to be argumentative (I swear!), and I preface it by saying I loved the Kay/Marge story from beginning to end, thought it was fantastic. But let's face it - the Kay/Marge story was pretty plot-driven as well. Bringing Marge back for a week or two before the car crash, then the crash. Presumed dead. Kay with amnesia. Falls for the stranger taking care of her. Gets memory back. Reclaims life. I mean, it doesn't get more soap cliche than that. (Again, I loved it - so I'm not putting it down)

So I'm curious what people thought was different about the Kay/Marge story that they find missing now from the show.

People liked that storyline until it got really stupid. It took what seemed like forever to get Kay's dna, then they added the cartoon villians, and then that lead to the chipmunk storyline.

People liked that storyline until it got really stupid. It took what seemed like forever to get Kay's dna, then they added the cartoon villians (now you couldn't possibly be referring to Roger/Annie/Clint, could you??/), and then that lead to the chipmunk storyline.

Hmmmmmmmm....

Proof that we should not put Kay-Marge on too high a pedestal .

Honestly, I think it was the funeral. And I think it was Murphy. Those two elements gave Y&R something really special. We FELT again. The stunt episode (Marge's farewell narration) was also amazing.

I can do that for ya!

LOL!

Sylph is love.

Let's not kid ourselves here people, the Katherine/Marge storyline WAS NOT good from state to finish. Need I mention the cartoon kidnapping and Maria and company not knowing when to end and how to properly pace a storyline?

The beginning and middle were great, but as usual, they got lost somewhere in the ridiculousness of it all and it all faltered.

How can we forget it led directly into the silver chipmunk fiasco too...

I have to say that after today... Seeing all those spoiler... Buckets of absolute crap, all unloaded at once on this poor, poor show. The insane amount of idiotic storytelling is puzzling. To say the least.

I have to say that after today... Seeing all those spoiler... Buckets of absolute crap, all unloaded at once on this poor, poor show. The insane amount of idiotic storytelling is puzzling. To say the least.

I think this smiley is the most befitting of Y&R in its current state:

This story is centered on Sharon, which is the main reason I think the story has been floundering, because Sharon's actions are all plot-based. It's getting to the point where "lovers" or "haters" no longer see a character, but see the gears winding. That's a precarious place for the show to go, because if people stop believing, they stop caring.

Maybe I'm wrong because I think Nick is the center. Causing both Sharon and Phyllis to act like doofuses because of something they are trying to build this character to be. The character, as currently interpreted, is no Victor and that's fine I think that's the way it should be only certain things here and there should have Victor likeness. That is how the character has turned out after all this time why try to change it if it works?; Jack seems to be the afterthought throughout this story. PB just sells his material

Okay, but here is a testament to the power of negative threads.

I'm on the bus. I'm p!ssed off. I can't defend/rationalize another second. You all picked and picked at my defenses, and now they have crumbled.

Adam-Rafe...what RUINATION yesterday was. No emotional resonance, and not even any skin!

Mary Jane...now a child poisoner who will apparently frame the mother???? This is not the Patty I remember and love. And with no Williams in town who love her or interact with her...why should I care??.

P3. Well...the jury is out, but phrases like "retcon of a retcon" are starting to make me feel very uncomfortable about this story. But I will have an open mind on this.

The quad. Yes. Sharon-Jack NEVER had any romantic rooting value. And Sharon-Nick have been exposed as selfish and rooted in the past (much like Billy is with Mac). I loved Phick...truly...but it all seems like cinders now.

So many characters I loved (Nikki-Paul, Lauren-Michael, JT) all withering on the vine.

Now, I would have ignored these things forever...but you all keep putting them in my face. And now I'm angry with the show.

I'll always have this post as a reminder of when the shell finally cracked or when you try to rationalize any of the above stories you criticized in this post, Mark.

Thanks for this, it really made my day.