Members cara mia Posted June 7, 2009 Members Share Posted June 7, 2009 The Quad really needs to broken up for a while, even if means putting all 4 in new pairings. Jack with Mary Jane, Sharon with Billy, Phyllis with Michael, Nick with Jana or whatever. It would be a nice breather for the fans to see the four of them spun off a new direction. Or just stop the flip-flopping. Go with Shick and Phack and put their love issues on the backburner while they focus on other matters, like the corporate intrigue or what have you. The constant bed-hopping has turned all four characters into cheap shallow whores who lack any emotional depth. Why should I care if Phyllis has an emotional breakdown when it's over Nick, of all people? That's like a John crying because his favorite hooker won't make him her exclusive client. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DRW50 Posted June 7, 2009 Members Share Posted June 7, 2009 I don't know if any rivalry for Billy will work until they figure more out about who the character is and what he's going to be. He's part slut, part brat, part romantic hero. Every time they have tried to put him in some kind of rivalry, whether with Cane or now Jack, the confusing motivations for his character weigh him down. I think that's become such a big problem with the character, figuring out exactly what he's supposed to be. They already put an adolescent in Victor's life, Abby I mean, even severing all her ties to the father who raised her, and they never do anything with her. I keep hoping they are going to come up with something eventually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Juliajms Posted June 7, 2009 Members Share Posted June 7, 2009 This is exactly how I feel, especially the part I highlighted. The love lives of these characters needs to go on the backburner ASAP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members cara mia Posted June 7, 2009 Members Share Posted June 7, 2009 Since Abby is a test-tube baby, wouldn't it be hilarious if she were really Jack's kid? Billy Abbott is a hot mess of a character, so often not even worth a discussion. Any value the character has is due to BM's natural charm and talent, though he's been a bit off of late. PB & EH have taken him to school these last few weeks. Though it's probably easier to play righteous rage than smarmy guilt. If TPTB ever cast a Colleen who isn't off filming all the time, a Billy/Colleen rivalry would be a natural story and a way to get the Abbotts back into the office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Y&RWorldTurner Posted June 7, 2009 Members Share Posted June 7, 2009 Eh, as I said before, Sharon's kid is really Zapato's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members cara mia Posted June 7, 2009 Members Share Posted June 7, 2009 Poor Zapato. It was just that one time with Sharon! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Aback Posted June 7, 2009 Members Share Posted June 7, 2009 I haven't had the time to read the previous pages, yet, so forgive me if I'm repeating something that's already been said, but--- am I the only one who thinks that Friday's ending was painfully ridicoulus, and the montage was ant-climatic and horrendously paced? Adam wearing Sabrina's dress and a wig was disturbing, and not in a scary way. It was hilarious. The whole storyline has been fulfilled with crappy storylines: Daniel's art story (uh?!), the Quad (I'm starting to hate all of them) and last but not least this Sabrina crap. I understand Hogan is working hard. I'm also disliking SC's acting more and more. She was not this bad a few years ago. Actually, she was a brilliant actress IMO. Now she's all about histrionics, wimpy mannerisms (I hate how she constantly moves her hands). I wonder why she's become like this. Maybe Rauch is not a good influence on her? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members cara mia Posted June 7, 2009 Members Share Posted June 7, 2009 Hotness, if you read the posts, I think many people liked Friday. I personally raved about it. Sharon Case has been very solid, IMO. She's got quite a challenge as an actor and I feel like she's been pulling it off. Exactly what does Paul Rauch do on a day to day basis? Is he producing or is he directing? I will say this for the LML era -- the acting was generally better than it is right now. GR, CLB, DG, MG and many others were noticeably better back then. Though that might be a function of the writing. While MAB's long-term stories are far better than LML's, the character arcs were better defined in LML's era. I had a strong sense of who Kevin, for example, was at any given moment and I certainly don't have that right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Y&RWorldTurner Posted June 7, 2009 Members Share Posted June 7, 2009 Just oversees production and talks to the actors. The production has gotten a lot better since he's been there. I disagree, I thought the acting during the Latham era was horrible. She stippled the actors of their rehearsal time, which has since been brought back. Michelle Stafford, and a lot of the younger actors lacked any sort of direction with their acting during that time. Most of the actors were phoning in stuff everyday when she was there, and it didn't help that she didn't see much use for rehearsal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members cara mia Posted June 7, 2009 Members Share Posted June 7, 2009 You are right about MS. She's better now than she was back then. I really was thinking about the 4 actors I mentioned -- DG, MG, GR and CLB. I enjoyed their performances much more back in the day than I do now. I do still think that character arcs rolled out better back then. Just compare LML Nick to MAB Nick. I've been tough on JM as an actor but I fully understand that it's much more challenging to make sense and play Nick's constant flip-flopping than what he played before -- an overwhelming passion of Phyllis that meant more to him than his steady love for Sharon. Nick was an adulterer back then but I had a sense of who he was as a character and why he was doing what he did. Today's Nick is just utterly confused and confusing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Y&RWorldTurner Posted June 7, 2009 Members Share Posted June 7, 2009 Latham gave Rikaart really light and comedic stuff to play for the most part, nothing really big, same with Michael Grazedei. A lot of their serious stuff turned into jokes about money stealing cartoon villains and what not. CLB's over the top antics really started during this time too, and since then I could hardly watch him. Daniel Goddard has always sucked to me, so I don't know how much worse he's gotten. I've always found Morrow to be an inconsistent actor that really has no training. He's really on and off, but mostly off. But yeah, Nick was a lot more grounded, for the most part, back then. But that whole memoury mess that Latham started was totally confusing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members cara mia Posted June 7, 2009 Members Share Posted June 7, 2009 The difference between then & now is that back then I actually gave a darn about Michael, Kevin, Daniel and even Cane. Now, it's an effort to pay attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Y&RWorldTurner Posted June 7, 2009 Members Share Posted June 7, 2009 You actually gave a damn about Cane at one point? LOL! Wow, I've always considered him a cancer to this show. The Bladwins-Fishers really started to annoy me by the end of Jack Smith's tenure, and from that point on, I didn't care for them at all, and they've gotten worse to me with each writing regime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members cara mia Posted June 7, 2009 Members Share Posted June 7, 2009 I liked Cane a lot when he was this shady dude, and then with Amber. I even forgave the Phillip 3 retcon at the time because I thought the Chancellors needed to be rebuilt -- though I knew this was not the best route, still I was willing to give it a chance. I even liked Cane & Lily the first time. It was really when Chloe and then Billy entered the scene that I really started to loathe Cane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members sheilaforever Posted June 7, 2009 Members Share Posted June 7, 2009 Sharon/Nick/Jack/Phyllis is a re-hash of the classic Jack/Nikki/Victor/Ashley-story from the 80s. The pacing is slightly faster now and instead of the annoying throw-ins of family members to complicate the squad (back in the day Nikki's sister Casey and Vic's brother Matt kept mengling and unnerving the heck out of everyone) we have this flip-flopping of the characters but in general this squad is by the (soap) books. MAB's take on it is fabulous but we need a break every once in a while... I just came back from Amsterdam and am anxiously catching up with the past week of episodes but Daniel's ART STORY is alraedy getting on my nerves. Seriously. And I like both Emily O'Brian and Graz a lot! If there is one mention of a Koons egg in the future I'm gonna scream... Ashley's haunting on the other hand is creepy-licious. But what's up with Tonya Lee Williams? Her looks are kinda strange and different from 90s/early 2000s... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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