Yeah... That's nice.

I'm glad you think so. Now go drink another glass of tedium.

And you have just reminded me why I couldn't deal with MMT at either GH or AMC. Reading your post, I actually felt a familiar surge of anger. The worst is when they used to have Bianca as Saintly Voice of Reason, foghorning the Babe-is-Love hymn at full volume. This was after the Bess/Miranda mess was revealed. Damn, Bianca really got the horn for Babe. But when the subject turned to JR, it was all "JR pushed me off a balcony and prevented me from getting my baby back." Um, NO, you bimbo, YOU slipped after an argument with JR. And BABE and KWAK were the ones responsable for keeping your baby from you. For TWO YEARS. While letting you believe the baby was dead. MMT would always bring up JR as the "reason" behind the kidnapping, as if he'd spirited Bess/Miranda away with his own hands.

Re: Alden. I think she is much more subtle about showing the audience who is "good" and who is "bad." On Y&R, she wrote (or helped to write) a character called Tricia who was batshitcrazy but in a "human" or relatable way, thanks to Sabryn Genet's portrayal and the writing which never completely condemned Tricia as Da EVUL while never shying away from absolving her of her crimes.

And that's the conversation I was trying to have concerning the quote.

And that's the conversation I was trying to have concerning the quote.

I was trying to have this conversation with some of you guys upthread a few days ago.

Alden has good and bad points. Bad = B&B. Good = some of her writing of women on Y&R. Side-by-side with a fragile, vulnerable and psychotic character like Tricia or a shaky Ashley, there was Jill at her most Bitch-Queenly and Victoria at her most headstrong.

There was something about her writing, though, which had me tuning out for a while. Not something I can really put my finger on. I will say that some plots did deliver with big pay-off scenes but a lot of plots were also very much of a slow burn. Like, it took a while to get to the pay-off! It could contrast quite sharply with, say, GH's Click-Boom era around the same time.

And that's the conversation I was trying to have concerning the quote.

The quote is crap. What else can I say? Absolute, inimitable, meaningless crap. Academic debate... Shut up, Kay Alden!

The quote is crap. What else can I say? Absolute, inimitable, meaningless crap. Academic debate... Shut up, Kay Alden!

No confrontation here. A serious question.

"Debate", "rationalizing"...these seem to be bad words to you. But "feeling"...the kinds of transcendent moments you described above, these seem to be good things to you.

Could it be that the writers who work best for you are those who inspire grand emotion (i.e., the "opera" in soap opera)? Could it be that Alden writes more from mind than gut? "What is his perspective? What is her perspective? What is the sum of these perspectives?"

That said, I cannot defend Kay Alden. I enjoyed her early HW run on Y&R, but by the time we were drowning in Dennisons I was quite willing to embrace Jack Smith. And I cannot detect ANY positive influence on B&B. The latter show has become more fundamentally bankrupt now than it was when she was not there.

No, Mark, you mistranslated again. I have no problem with debate & reason. And debate & reason & emotion can go hand in hand.

I have a problem with that quote of hers. Academic debate makes her see things from all sorts of perspectives? Yeah, right, it sure showed on shows she wrote.

The quote is crap. What else can I say? Absolute, inimitable, meaningless crap. Academic debate... Shut up, Kay Alden!

Veronica Sandbridge.

No, Mark, you mistranslated again. I have no problem with debate & reason. And debate & reason & emotion can go hand in hand.

I have a problem with that quote of hers. Academic debate makes her see things from all sorts of perspectives? Yeah, right, it sure showed on shows she wrote.

Actually, if you read my post to you, I asked questions. I did not offer a translation.

But you have now stated, apparently, the nature of your objection to that quote. "Yeah, right, it sure showed on shows she wrote." You disbelieve her in that statement. Now I understand. Thank you for clarifying.

But you have now stated, apparently, the nature of your objection to that quote. "Yeah, right, it sure showed on shows she wrote." You disbelieve her in that statement. Now I understand. Thank you for clarifying.

Lord help us... Newsflash: that was irony.

Lord help us... Newsflash: that was irony.

That was one baaad irony, Sylph!

Yeah. I have to say that never in my life have I thought that a smiley can be so misplaced as it always in your recent ones. It just seems like: I'm going to put it 'cause everyone around here does or I am actually really, really p!ssed and I have to humiliate the other person so I'm going to laugh his/her post off... Translation: I don't think you're laughing. You've never used them before - except the veiled insult - and you've never ever used formatting, instead choosing Usenet *, capitals etc. But who cares, right? Never mind me and my "interpretation".

But I have to say that I am startled than no one answered Sinclair's question. Not a single soul. Never mind me, there are others who could've, but didn't.

Oh, for the love of God, I don't even care anymore.

Oh, for the love of God, I don't even care anymore.

Good for you. That's what I wanted to achieve.

And I have to add that I did expect brimike, for example, to talk about Alden and her stories specifically and not to spin and divert the discourse into something else.

And I have to add that I did expect brimike, for example, to talk about Alden and her stories specifically and not to spin and divert the discourse into something else.

Why me? I don't have a clue what Alden's plans for AMC were.

And how did I divert anything? I haven't even been posting in this topic.

Eh. Whatever. I stopped paying attention to this thread two pages ago.

Edited May 28, 200916 yr by brimike