Members lmfan Posted May 21, 2009 Members Share Posted May 21, 2009 Yes, but then she is going to have to fill in an awful lot of blanks for people. Again, I have no problem with this although the Cane/Philip III story from the get go has huge holes to fill. I guess my point is that if she can come up with story for characters who have been of the canvas for 10 and 20 years, then why not come up with some story for characters who have been on the canvas all along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members cara mia Posted May 21, 2009 Members Share Posted May 21, 2009 15 years ago, I was a faithful AMC viewer and occasional Y&R viewer. When I really got into Y&R, I went on youtube to see older clips. I don't even know how to address with you without sounding like a know-it-all but KAY & JILL are [!@#$%^&*] legends. They, along with Jack, Victor, Nikki and Ashley are the HEART & SOUL of Y&R. The Kay & Jill feud put Y&R on the map and helped drive its #1 place in the ratings. The three most important relationships in the history of Y&R are Kay & Jill, Jack & Victor, and Victor & Nikki. Everything else is just commentary. Any writer who is STUPID enough to backburner Kay & Jill is a hack and an idiot and has no [!@#$%^&*] business writing Y&R. I like Michael & Lauren. I want to see them go to Monte Carlo and have an adventure and look all sexy. They're fun to watch. But I would NEVER dare to compare Michael & Lauren with the iconic game-changing relationship of Kay & Jill. PIII matters because he is a BIG reason why Kay & Jill are at odds. Just as Ashley matters because Jack can't stand that she's with Victor, and Nikki can't stand it either. Some characters matter more than others. They are not all equal. Is Horatio equal to Ophelia? Of course not. She's more important. Is Ophelia equal to Hamlet? Of course not, he's more important. It's not a [!@#$%^&*] democracy, it's a drama with characters of varying degrees of importance to the canvas. There's a reason everyone knows Erica Kane, fewer know Bianca Montgomery and very few know Simone Torres. Y&R needs to keep Kay, Jill, Victor, Jack, Nikki, and Ashley front and center. My #1 complaint against MAB is that Nikki doesn't have a proper story but I hope that's being fixed soon. And Y&R needs to develop the next generation of these six central characters. Luckily they have Billy and Adam to be a younger version of Jack & Victor but I don't see the future Kay or Ashley on canvas and that's a HUGE problem. Mac ain't no Kay Junior, that's for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members lmfan Posted May 21, 2009 Members Share Posted May 21, 2009 I am fully aware of the history of the show and when I started watching regularly in 96, I looked through the history of the show on the boards and read the Y& R books. I became a fan of Nikki and Victor, but Lauren and Michael also became favorites as individual characters and later as a couple. I actually started watching in 96 because I remember watching as a kid, with my grandmother because Y&R was her show, and what stuck with me from the 80s was Nikki, Victor and bitchy Lauren and they are characters that still interest me. Michael also became a favorite. You don't seem to get my point. I am not equating Michael and Lauren with Kay and Jill. I don't expect them to get the type of story that the top tier actors get. But I do expect them to get some story beyond propping Kevin and Gloria and their family for three years. I wouldn't mind seeing them only twice a week, but I do have a problem when Tracey Bregman is written off for all of March and start of April and is seen in two episodes in May and one in June and that's it. That is a waste of a talented actress and a character that has been with the show since the mid 80s. And for me the show is not as enjoyable without her presence. I frankly don't get why people have such a problem with these characters getting some story. I get they may not be favorites of the people on this board, but they are proven favorites with the general audience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cashton Posted May 21, 2009 Members Share Posted May 21, 2009 The history is so fuzzy about what happened with Danny. I have heard that she went on to Danny, but then I heard she didn't. I think when she left though she wasn't in a good place. It's also a secret that Patty shot Jack and it never came out - only ash, Jack, John, Paul and Carl knew (again from what I can read online), which lends it some relevance. I'm glad that we get to feel for her before she starts really going off the deep-end. But the execution for her s/l is so far is perfect. You have to give MAB credit - no other soap could put on a mystery character (she debuted back in February!)like this and keep us on the "edge" of our seats without saying - 'C'mon, get to it already". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Juliajms Posted May 21, 2009 Members Share Posted May 21, 2009 I agree with you there. They are going to have to figure out who to cut first. Then hopefully they will give some of the other people left standing more story. I really don't know who I want to go at this point, but someone needs to make the tough decisions soon because having the cast this large is causing issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Paul Raven Posted May 21, 2009 Members Share Posted May 21, 2009 Kinda weird how they explicitly state that Cassie's death was 4 years ago,because that would make Noah 12 when it happened and isn't Summer about 4 now? Why not just call it the anniversary without an exact date?It just emphasises the screwed up timelines. Mac was much improved today. Sharon was telling the doctor how Doris finding info on line and giving it to her,but we never saw any of that. Sounding like a broken record but we need to see Noah at this point,or have some explanation of where he is.Couldn't he be on a school trip of some sort? For once Reckless Style didn't annoyme-we got the feeling work was being done without the usual trumped up crises. Same when Phyllis phoned Nick.He was at GCAC doing business-it was only with an extra,but the point was made. One thing I have noticed recently,is that the direction has gone back to a more standard style.Less of the interesting angles-does anyone else agree? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members lmfan Posted May 21, 2009 Members Share Posted May 21, 2009 I agree. It has been developed well. I like when "new" characters are integrated and developed slowly and not shoved down our throats. I didn't watch back then either, but obviously something must have driven Patty from her family and Genoa City for over two decades. I remember a scene earlier this decade where Mary or Paul talked about losing touch with Patty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Y&RWorldTurner Posted May 21, 2009 Author Members Share Posted May 21, 2009 No offense, but you bring this same point up to the same posters here over and over again. Most probably don't care for them here and will probably never change their views on them. It's easy if you don't care for a certain character or couple that's on the backburner to not mind that character/couple being on the backburner. I venture to say they didn't test very well in those Nielsen surveys, hence their lack of a storyline. But I don't know, I don't know the true feelings of the "general audience." I do however know most of Michael and Lauren's most popular storylines were when they weren't even together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Juliajms Posted May 21, 2009 Members Share Posted May 21, 2009 Unlike the rest of us who never repeat ourselves and keep the convo fresh and exciting? There are many of us guilty of repetition on these boards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Y&RWorldTurner Posted May 21, 2009 Author Members Share Posted May 21, 2009 I agree, but what's not to understand? Posters will never change their opinions and we end up in the same posting situations over and over again. At least the speculation talks and the talk about the flaws in the writing can take different directions in discussion. If posters don't care for a certain couple/character, that type of discussion doesn't spin-off to anything new, and is likely to just stay the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members lmfan Posted May 21, 2009 Members Share Posted May 21, 2009 Well, I don't know how you don't take offense to that, but you're probably right and you are also probably right that Lauren will be written off the show shortly, so maybe I should take your advice. If the writers really do look at this site, I guess the clear message to them is that characters like Michael and Lauren are unnecesary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members cara mia Posted May 21, 2009 Members Share Posted May 21, 2009 I have no problem with Michael/Lauren. My problem is with anyone seeing the return of P3 as less than awesome. This is exactly the kind of story that will help Y&R build on its momentum. I am sure there are Likey fans, but we have no evidence that they ever spiked ratings, etc. We do know that Jill & Kay have a historical appeal. Will P3 make the ratings go up? I don't know. But it's worth a shot. If done right, the return of P3 will provide some serious mileage for the Kay/Jill feud. P3 coming back is awesome but I agree we don't need old-timers coming back if they don't have a purpose. I don't see the point of Mac or Mac/Billy because they were never that big of a couple. They worked mainly because they served Kay/Jill and the original actors had chemistry. Billy is a grown ass man now. The forbidden nature of the romance (Kay's granddaughter with Jill's son) doesn't work any more. Now they are "forbidden" because Billy is a married to woman who he actually has chemistry with! There's nothing in the return of Mac that serves the larger story of Kay/Jill. And without any chemistry with Billy, there's just no point at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Y&RWorldTurner Posted May 21, 2009 Author Members Share Posted May 21, 2009 It's like the Tammin discussions, lots of people hate the actress here and the conversations end up being the same thing over and over again. As for Lauren being written out, I don't know. If they intended to do that, I'm sure they'd give her something resembling an exit story. I can't see her vanishing off the canvas just like that. I don't think they're invested in Michael/Lauren, and if we're stuck with this writing regime, they might as well cut their losses and either write off couples/characters they don't like, or attempt to write for them. If no one knows how to write for them, maybe it's time to just write those characters off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cashton Posted May 21, 2009 Members Share Posted May 21, 2009 Yep! MAB should teach a master class on how to create/integrate a "new" or technically, a returning character. Murphy, MJ, Rafe, and Aunt Virginia are good examples of this. I have no problem with her mining the history of this show to create new stories - if GL had done this, I think they'd still be in business. All the soaps really should entice lapsed vieweres with another chapter of their favorite storyline and make them relevent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Juliajms Posted May 21, 2009 Members Share Posted May 21, 2009 Personally, I don't believe the writers look at this board consistently. No way they have the time for that. But Michael had a lot of story under LML. I think CLB is popular and I think Michael and Lauren are popular, maybe not so much on this board, but that doesn't prove a whole lot. They are also happily married though and that is always hard to write for. Sure, but this isn't just about Michael and Lauren. It's about balancing the different tiers of stories, something Y&R has traditionally been very good at. Right now even aspects of the A stories are falling through the cracks because the cast is too big. I hate seeing characters go, but it's clear some people have to be written off for a period. Which serves the useful purpose of letting them develop a past off screen that will one day come back to haunt them in GC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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