Tell us your PHYLLIS MUST DIE storyline again, Sylphy.

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And if they are, people tend not to like them much. Or at least that's the case with CF so far.

I like CF because she is so different than Colleen, Chloe, Amber, Lily and Jana. I couldn't stand the other Mackenzies though.

Soaps could use a Bridget Jones type heroine. None of them has ever tried that.

Tell us your PHYLLIS MUST DIE storyline again, Sylphy.

Well, annoying repetitiveness seems to be the key topic here (Morrow sucks, No he doesn't, Stafford improved, Stafford sucks, no nuance, all one-note comments etc.)!!!

So I just might!

Nobody is a heroine anymore

Do soaps have any really great under-30 heroines? Where are the Genie Francises and Missy Reeveses and Cady McClains of today? None of the under-30s on Y&R, B&B or GL do it for me. ATWT did have Maddie but they stupidly fired Alexandra Chando. Liberty might grow into a great heroine. AMC had Eden Riegl and we know how they treated her. I guess GH (Liz, Robin) and OLTL (Langston, Starr) are probably the best off. I just don't understand why Y&R, with its budget, is so lacking in this area. Who is the next Sharon Case?

Well, annoying repetitiveness seems to be the key topic here (Morrow sucks, No he doesn't, Stafford improved, Stafford sucks, no nuance, all one-note comments etc.)!!!

So I just might!

Take you time to "tweak" some things.

Do soaps have any really great under-30 heroines? Where are the Genie Francises and Missy Reeveses and Cady McClains of today? None of the under-30s on Y&R, B&B or GL do it for me. ATWT did have Maddie but they stupidly fired Alexandra Chando. Liberty might grow into a great heroine. AMC had Eden Riegl and we know how they treated her. I guess GH (Liz, Robin) and OLTL (Langston, Starr) are probably the best off. I just don't understand why Y&R, with its budget, is so lacking in this area. Who is the next Sharon Case?

....... Lily is supposed to be Y&R's young heroine. She is African American, the daughter of an iconic character and she just married a member (?) of the prominent Chancellor family, who might be lying about his identity. I have to say, it looks good in paper.

Nobody is a heroine anymore

It's true. I mean, maybe that just better reflects the reality of our lives too. No one is a true "hero" or "villain" in life, either.

Soaps could use a Bridget Jones type heroine. None of them has ever tried that.

That is a terrific idea. I think that syncs a little with Ann_SS comment, about the witty heroine.

Do soaps have any really great under-30 heroines? Where are the Genie Francises and Missy Reeveses and Cady McClains of today? None of the under-30s on Y&R, B&B or GL do it for me. ATWT did have Maddie but they stupidly fired Alexandra Chando. Liberty might grow into a great heroine. AMC had Eden Riegl and we know how they treated her. I guess GH (Liz, Robin) and OLTL (Langston, Starr) are probably the best off. I just don't understand why Y&R, with its budget, is so lacking in this area. Who is the next Sharon Case?

Good point.

But Sharon Case, from the beginning, has not been a classic soap "heroine" (by which I mean: always good and noble choices, never intentionally harms anyone, pure victim). I don't think that version of "heroine" exists anymore. And if she did, I think most of us wouldn't like her...because she has no basis in reality.

Putting aside the CK-Lily issue, I think that character (as presently written) would earn a lot of hatred regardless..because she is not written to have any flaws, or any self-awareness of them.

Putting aside the CK-Lily issue, I think that character (as presently written) would earn a lot of hatred regardless..because she is not written to have any flaws, or any self-awareness of them.

ICAM! Sometimes I feel that TPTB hate Lily more than some viewers and they make her so one-dimensional on purpose.

It's definitely going to take me time to accept nu-Adam. He and Engen couldn't look any different if they tried...He looks a bit older too...I guess we'll see if he can sell the material..Just a really awkward time for a recast..

Michael Muhney has a resemblance to Signy Coleman (Hope). He can definitely pass as Hope's son with Victor.

Michael Muhney has a resemblance to Signy Coleman (Hope). He can definitely pass as Hope's son with Victor.

It's just going to be hard adapting to him being Adam.

He is soooo Lamb to me.

This just goes to prove nobody is irreplaceable, at least with the actors that are in the role for a shorter amount of time.

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It's just going to be hard adapting to him being Adam.

He is soooo Lamb to me.

With me, since Engen hasn't been there for that long, I can look past it. I never really cared for Engen and since he's only been there a little over a year, I have no emotional attachment to him.

This just goes to prove nobody is irreplaceable.

Yeah, and really, they had no choice anyway. Engen quit in the middle of a frontburner storyline, they couldn't possibly re-write everything at this point.

Muhney doesn't resemble EB much but he looks a lot like Josh Morrow. They should make great brothers. I hope that with the recast, the writers will be savvy enough to tweak the character of Adam to suit the new actor. MM is quite a talent but I don't think he's as inherently sympathetic on-screen as Engen, so TPTB should take the opportunity of the

Rafe/Adam

story to actually redeem Adam somewhat. I am sure Muhney will be delightfully villainous but more in the love to hate school (judging by his Lamb) than in the can't help but love him anyway (which was a special talent of Engen's). If Adam is redeemed by

Rafe then we have the makings of a solid P3/Rafe/Adam triangle.

It's definitely going to take me time to accept nu-Adam. He and Engen couldn't look any different if they tried...He looks a bit older too...I guess we'll see if he can sell the material..Just a really awkward time for a recast..

I have really liked Engen's Adam, but I'm going to be over it in a flash. Basically the second nu-Adam walks out. Even if you ignore all the hype, it seems clear that Engen and the show were not happy with each other -- for whatever reason. So, if this is a healthy parting of the ways, then I'm actually going to assume that a "better energy" will lead to a better on-screen product.

It's just going to be hard adapting to him being Adam.

He is soooo Lamb to me.

I never watched that show, and I will have to watch those clips.

But was Lamb a good guy? Several folks have said he was snarky? Can you imagine some of his Lamb-like characteristics working for Adam? Or are the characters, in your mind, too different?

Muhney doesn't resemble EB much but he looks a lot like Josh Morrow. They should make great brothers. I hope that with the recast, the writers will be savvy enough to tweak the character of Adam to suit the new actor. MM is quite a talent but I don't think he's as inherently sympathetic on-screen as Engen, so TPTB should take the opportunity of the

Rafe/Adam

story to actually redeem Adam somewhat. I am sure Muhney will be delightfully villainous but more in the love to hate school (judging by his Lamb) than in the can't help but love him anyway (which was a special talent of Engen's). If Adam is redeemed by

Rafe then we have the makings of a solid P3/Rafe/Adam triangle.

Oh, interesting. That's the opposite of what I was thinking, but you're so insightful and reasoned, I find this very persuasive.

What if they went further in the other direction, and made Adam less redeemable. In other words, made him a more clearly defined bad guy (for now)? His redemption arc could follow in the future, much as Michael Baldwin's years ago.

I have a hard time (suspending belief, though) imagining Adam is remotely gay. As it has evolved, I think he's just USING Rafe's vulnerability. I think Rafe will get his heart broken, and then, maybe, he'll find a more genuine relationship with a truly gay/bi character. That's how I am imagining it now.