4 minutes ago, Tisy-Lish said:

Thank you for looking this up.  Now, the question is -- did AW secure permission to use this footage? Or did Paul Rauch just pirate the footage somehow?  If I'm not mistaken, The Mod Squad was broadcast on ABC.  So Another World (broadcast on NBC and owned by P&G Productions) likely had no legal, network, or business connection to The Mod Squad. Why would the producers of The Mod Squad agree to allow AW to use footage from one of their episodes?   I realize there is likely no sure answer, but I'm just bringing up the question. . .

Possibly, The Mod Squad had used the footage before AW, but had taken it from a stock-footage company, which would allow any interested producers to use their material.

According to Google: "Some scenes (of TMS) were filmed with the actors, while others, particularly car chases and other large-scale action sequences, were sometimes augmented or even entirely replaced with stock footage. This was a common practice in television production at the time to save on costs and production time."

Walter Curtin's crash crash being generic stock footage, available to anyone, would explain AW being able to get it easily instead of having to barter for rights with TMS and ABC.

15 minutes ago, Contessa Donatella said:

Now, St. Croix, I have very vivid memories of the big drama there but not other visits. My memory says that the sky was so blue it was almost surreal, and same with the blue water. Then, all the rest of my mental capacity is full to the brim with worry over Mac as I honestly thought maybe he was going to die & he looked like death warmed over!! Plus, he was so very weak. Janice & Rachel & their fight, into the water, Janice produces a knife, they struggle for control of the knife & Janice ends up getting fatally stuck! Whew. Then, Mitch who we have only known as this evil guy helping Janice poison Mac does a one-eighty "about face" turn & begins to help Rachel get Mac to a hospital, which absolutely saves his life. Mitch confused me for years!!!

I think you have brought up a completely different "St Croix era".   Mac, Janice, and Rachel's drama in St Croix was shot on location in 1979.  But previously, Steve and Alice had been visiting Steve's house in St Croix since the Agnes Nixon days, and continued until Steve died in 1975, while Lemay was writing.  

None of the Steve/Alice St Croix stuff was ever shot on location on the island.   It was all done on a studio set with a green-screened beach in the background.  And during those years, they also used a lot of filmed footage showing different views around the island to establish the location.  So all that had a completely different look from the Mac/Rachel/Janice location shot in 1979.   

AW was still using stock footage as late as 1984.  At the 41:45 mark, Ross the hitman drives the police vehicle with Catlin inside off a cliff.

 

6 minutes ago, vetsoapfan said:

Possibly, The Mod Squad had used the footage before AW, but had taken it from a stock-footage company, which would allow any interested producers to use their material.

According to Google: "Some scenes (of TMS) were filmed with the actors, while others, particularly car chases and other large-scale action sequences, were sometimes augmented or even entirely replaced with stock footage. This was a common practice in television production at the time to save on costs and production time."

Walter Curtin's crash crash being generic stock footage, available to anyone, would explain AW being able to get it easily instead of having to barter for rights with TMS and ABC.

Then that probably explains it. Great research on your part. Thank you!   

29 minutes ago, vetsoapfan said:

I wonder if, 50 years from now, soap fans will be reminiscing about anything that took place on any daytime drama in 2025!🤔😬

Unless there is some drastic change, I bet they will. We were online talking about soaps as early as 1985. If my math is correct, that's 40 years.

25 minutes ago, Tisy-Lish said:

25 minutes ago, Tisy-Lish said:

I think you have brought up a completely different "St Croix era".   Mac, Janice, and Rachel's drama in St Croix was shot on location in 1979.  But previously, Steve and Alice had been visiting Steve's house in St Croix since the Agnes Nixon days, and continued until Steve died in 1975, while Lemay was writing.  

None of the Steve/Alice St Croix stuff was ever shot on location on the island.   It was all done on a studio set with a green-screened beach in the background.  And during those years, they also used a lot of filmed footage showing different views around the island to establish the location.  So all that had a completely different look from the Mac/Rachel/Janice location shot in 1979.   

Of course I did & in fact I said so. It is true that I did not know any details of other visits, although I did know that the remote was a bid deal & also totally new. Maybe now this will all be more clear to you. At any rate, there is no problem here. 

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33 minutes ago, vetsoapfan said:

Possibly, The Mod Squad had used the footage before AW, but had taken it from a stock-footage company, which would allow any interested producers to use their material.

According to Google: "Some scenes (of TMS) were filmed with the actors, while others, particularly car chases and other large-scale action sequences, were sometimes augmented or even entirely replaced with stock footage. This was a common practice in television production at the time to save on costs and production time."

Walter Curtin's crash crash being generic stock footage, available to anyone, would explain AW being able to get it easily instead of having to barter for rights with TMS and ABC.

BTW, Google can be magnificently wrong. I'm not saying they are here. It's just that it adds up. Sources you cannot be sure of: wikipedia, imdb, Google, Soap Opera Central. I'm sure there are more, this is not intended as an exhaustive list.

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38 minutes ago, Contessa Donatella said:

Now, St. Croix, I have very vivid memories of the big drama there but not other visits. 

I stand corrected. I thought your statement meant you remembered the 1979 location scenes (Mac/Janice/Rachel) on St Croix, but had no memory of other previous visits by other characters.   

Edited July 24Jul 24 by Tisy-Lish

1 hour ago, Tisy-Lish said:

I stand corrected. I thought your statement meant you remembered the 1979 location scenes (Mac/Janice/Rachel) on St Croix, but had no memory of other previous visits by other characters.   

Weeelll, in a way, you were right but also I just meant to indicate, you know, hopeless ignorance on those other occasions. 🙃🤪🤣👌🤯😃 I figure when you don't know, you just don't know.

4 hours ago, watson71 said:

AW was still using stock footage as late as 1984.  At the 41:45 mark, Ross the hitman drives the police vehicle with Catlin inside off a cliff.

 

Thanks! I remember loving the drama of Catlin lying to Sally that he had never loved her, and Ada telling him not to be such a dolt, and then everyone believing he was dead for a couple of weeks or so. 

I had not remembered that Cecile also went to the hypnotist and "proved" that she loved Peter and Cass equally and could not possibly choose between them.

Ben must have met Marley at the party right after this since when they first met she believed he was rich (not that it mattered to her, but Donna would not have accepted him if she had realized he was not from the upper crust). 

Nancy was shallow and mostly interested in Perry for his money.

Nice to see Quinn and Thomasina together. And Donna on good terms with Carl for a change, but mostly thinking about Peter. It was really key to Donna's character in those days that she thought she was doing what was best for her family even as she spoiled their happiness.

On the subject of Laura Malone, I saw this interesting tidbit in the comments -- a variation on the baby weight story that suggests the way it played out actually suited her.

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As a former lowly dialog writer for AW let me give you the old scoop. Judy was hired for the role until Laura gave birth. When she returned P & G gave her X number of weeks to lose the baby weight. That didn't sit well with most people connected to the show but especially Laura. She purposely kept the weight and when fired she took some of her savings from her AW $ and did what she'd always planned anyway. She returned to school and became an attorney.

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4 hours ago, vetsoapfan said:

I wonder if, 50 years from now, soap fans will be reminiscing about anything that took place on any daytime drama in 2025!🤔😬

Quite possibly, but I wonder if they will have to do quite so much archaeology and reconstruction to fill in gaps! If the modern shows are more easily preserved and archived it will be much easier to check the primary sources. (But if they are copy-protected so that viewers can't preserve their own copies maybe they won't be accessible enough anyway.)

8 hours ago, Xanthe said:

Thanks! I remember loving the drama of Catlin lying to Sally that he had never loved her, and Ada telling him not to be such a dolt, and then everyone believing he was dead for a couple of weeks or so. 

Ada was so wise!

8 hours ago, Xanthe said:

I had not remembered that Cecile also went to the hypnotist and "proved" that she loved Peter and Cass equally and could not possibly choose between them.

Me either! What in the world is wrong with our brains?!

Slight disagree. Yes, she was shallow but I really think she was fond of Perry, everyone was!!

Quinn, etc. YES!!!

 

 

8 hours ago, Xanthe said:

Quite possibly, but I wonder if they will have to do quite so much archaeology and reconstruction to fill in gaps! If the modern shows are more easily preserved and archived it will be much easier to check the primary sources. (But if they are copy-protected so that viewers can't preserve their own copies maybe they won't be accessible enough anyway.)

Well, as of now, anyway, it's still quite easy to download and keep copies of current soaps on DVD-Rs, flashdrives, your HDD, etc., since there's they are not copy-protected. I just have to wonder, if fans today find anything on the modern soaps worth keeping, or intriguing enough to warrant review and discussion decades into the future. 

If you ask me, soap fans talk about soaps, period. Always have, always will. I mean, if a diminishment of overall quality meant that soap fans just stopped talking about soaps, then, I ask you, what in the hell are we doing here & now? I'll wait, This answer would seem to be crucial. 

 

Does anyone remember, in 1982 when David Canary and Linda Borgeson were playing Steve and Alice, there was a recreated flashback of the couple at Steve's house in St Croix?  And rather than shoot on location, they used the studio set and green-screen ocean in the background.  This was a couple of years after the big location shots with Mac, Janice, and Rachel on St Croix.  So although it was fun to see that flashback, it was a little off-putting to see the out-dated special effects, since we had not seen Steve's St Croix house since Mary Matthews died there in 1975.  

Edited July 25Jul 25 by Tisy-Lish