26 minutes ago, Contessa Donatella said:

#NATAS #theemmysorg #DaytimeEmmys #BeverleeMcKinsey

Today I have received an email reply from the President & CEO of NATAS. That is the Daytime Emmys organization. Adam Sharp apologized for not replying sooner & cited their busy season. As we know the Daytime Emmy presentation was just the other day. He acknowledged that Beverlee McKinsey's contributions to our industry were indeed vast.

As it turns out NATAS has a policy against awarding Posthumous Emmys.

He ended by saying

Thank you nonetheless for your efforts to shine a light on Beverlee's career & for your celebration of the soap community more broadly.

Wow, Contessa!  That is a very nice response for your efforts.  And he gives you quite a compliment at the end: "& for your celebration of the soap community more broadly."

I will agree, you certainly do celebrate the soap community broadly! You have reason to be proud, Contessa Donatella.  

11 hours ago, Mona Kane Croft said:

I agree with you.  I had forgotten much of that happened during the strike.  So it probably originated in Lemay's storyline projections.  Also, even the name "Evan Bates" must have been created by a writer who wanted to use the show's history, and a writer who already knew Evan was Janice's son -- because the spelling of Bates is close to Battess, which was a man (Howard Battess) Janice had an affair with off camera pre-1978.  Too bad the scab writers misunderstood Frame family history, and moved the Frame farm to Bay City.  I wonder what Lemay thought about that when he saw it playing out during the strike.  What a blunder!!  I'm surprised Victoria Wyndham didn't take a red pen and fix those scripts, since she most certainly would have realized they were not consistent with the show's history.  

Did they ever say who was supposed to be taking care of Baby Evan when Janice was in Bay City? 

41 minutes ago, Mona Kane Croft said:

Wow, Contessa!  That is a very nice response for your efforts.  And he gives you quite a compliment at the end: "& for your celebration of the soap community more broadly."

I will agree, you certainly do celebrate the soap community broadly! You have reason to be proud, Contessa Donatella.  

Thanks for noticing & saying so. I was pleased, both that he did reply & with what he said. Of course, I am disappointed, too, but if there's a policy, that is just the way the system works. 

59 minutes ago, Contessa Donatella said:

Thanks for noticing & saying so. I was pleased, both that he did reply & with what he said. Of course, I am disappointed, too, but if there's a policy, that is just the way the system works. 

Yes, a policy against awarding posthumous Emmys seems strange.  I'm surprised they haven't come-up with some way to recognize deceased persons who have contributed to the daytime genre -- especially since the Daytime Emmys only began around 1972-73 (is that correct?) -- and soap-operas were flourishing so many decades before that.   So Irna Phillips will never receive an Emmy?  Santos Ortega will never receive an Emmy?   Charita Bauer will never receive an Emmy? Beverlee McKinsey will never receive an Emmy?  Jeeze-Louise!  Something needs to be done about that. . .

4 minutes ago, Mona Kane Croft said:

Yes, a policy against awarding posthumous Emmys seems strange.  I'm surprised they haven't come-up with some way to recognize deceased persons who have contributed to the daytime genre -- especially since the Daytime Emmys only began around 1972-73 (is that correct?) -- and soap-operas were flourishing so many decades before that.   So Irna Phillips will never receive an Emmy?  Santos Ortega will never receive an Emmy?   Charita Bauer will never receive an Emmy? Beverlee McKinsey will never receive an Emmy?  Jeeze-Louise!  Something needs to be done about that. . .

He said that there is an exception & that is when the person dies between the time the decision is made & the award presented. Charita Bauer does have a Posthumous Emmy & that must be what happened in her case. 

You know Agnes got every award that can be given & Bill Bell did okay, too, but Irna basically has nothing. I think there's a street named after. Otherwise, bupkus.

And, I believe the first Daytime Emmy was in '74 but I could be wrong. I'm not looking it up. I do know it was THE DOCTORS. 

48 minutes ago, Mona Kane Croft said:

Yes, a policy against awarding posthumous Emmys seems strange.

I was wondering if that meant that a performer could not be nominated for an award the same year that they died.  For example, Douglas Watson was nominated for the 16th annual Daytime Emmys, which were broadcast in June 1989, although he died in May 1989.

But, the awards were for episodes produced between March 1988 and March 1989.  So, I guess he couldn't have been nominated for his final episode on 5/10/1989 the next year?

At the same time, any award show is meant to be a promotional opportunity, (rather than a legitimate acknowledgment of talent).  So, I understand the desire to highlight shows and actors that are still on air. 

Edited June 19, 20241 yr by j swift

Eddie Drueding's uploads have now covered pretty much all of Crystal Gayle's appearances. Still one of the most fascinating celebrity guest stints on a soap for me. She was never an actress, yet she agreed to do a whole week of episodes that involved violence and high drama. Given how devout she was, I'm surprised she was OK with the material, but it was certainly great promotion for her at a time when her mainstream career was winding down. Due to her status she probably ends up being the toughest opponent the Sin Stalker ever faced.

Speaking of the Sin Stalker, I'm not sure if I'd feel that way if I didn't know he passed away a few years later, but David O'Brien looks so frail to me. It makes the story even more difficult to believe. 

Petronia Paley really sparkles in those last days of Quinn's romance with Zack. I think the worst part for me is knowing none of that story would have even happened if they weren't killing Quinn off.

I hadn't realized just how heavily they went into grand passion and romance for Michael and Donna after Philece's debut - it feels much more Harlequin than Anna's Donna and Michael ever did. I guess they were hoping to capitalize on Philece's DAYS popularity but it's all so generic. 

I also didn't know Landry's Nicole never even got an exit. Peter and Nicole never got the respect or exploration they could have had as characters.

4 minutes ago, DRW50 said:

I also didn't know Landry's Nicole never even got an exit. Peter and Nicole never got the respect or exploration they could have had as characters.

It seemed, a little, like they were trying to do a Michael/Nicole pairing at that time.

6 minutes ago, DRW50 said:

Speaking of the Sin Stalker, I'm not sure if I'd feel that way if I didn't know he passed away a few years later, but David O'Brien looks so frail to me. It makes the story even more difficult to believe. 

Remind me what year he died, of AIDS, of course. 

8 minutes ago, DRW50 said:

also didn't know Landry's Nicole never even got an exit.

Was she the tall, skinny cocaine Nicole? 

19 minutes ago, Contessa Donatella said:

Remind me what year he died, of AIDS, of course. 

Was she the tall, skinny cocaine Nicole? 

June 1989.

That was Kim Morgan Greene. Landry was the singing Nicole - tall, brunette, a bit matronly.

22 minutes ago, AbcNbc247 said:

It seemed, a little, like they were trying to do a Michael/Nicole pairing at that time.

I should probably try to watch more of the late '86 episodes to see how far they went.

On 6/18/2024 at 7:01 AM, Mona Kane Croft said:

I agree with you.  I had forgotten much of that happened during the strike.  So it probably originated in Lemay's storyline projections.  Also, even the name "Evan Bates" must have been created by a writer who wanted to use the show's history, and a writer who already knew Evan was Janice's son -- because the spelling of Bates is close to Battess, which was a man (Howard Battess) Janice had an affair with off camera pre-1978.  Too bad the scab writers misunderstood Frame family history, and moved the Frame farm to Bay City.  I wonder what Lemay thought about that when he saw it playing out during the strike.  What a blunder!!  I'm surprised Victoria Wyndham didn't take a red pen and fix those scripts, since she most certainly would have realized they were not consistent with the show's history.  

I often wondered that too.  VW probably thought, hey this is not my job to work as a consultant to ensure the history is written.  Who knows, maybe she does not even remember some of the history.  She may not be a die hard fan history person like we are.  She is there just to portray her role.  I have seen interviews on some podcasts with multiple actors from tv shows when they talk about the history of episodes they can't recall facts such as characters or sometimes who the actor even was.  Fans know though.  

22 hours ago, AbcNbc247 said:

Did they ever say who was supposed to be taking care of Baby Evan when Janice was in Bay City? 

He was in foster care and then eventually went to go live with Gwen & Willis in Australia. 

On 6/18/2024 at 3:48 PM, j swift said:

I believe you, as you have always been a valuable source of being historic accuracy.  But, back when Willis, Vince, and the other Frames were in Bay City, didn't one of them buy a farm?  Or maybe I'm just remembering the kitchen being decorated in a farmhouse style.

I don't recall any Frames living on a farm in BC.  The historical Frame home in BC is the house Steve built for Alice.  There was talk when Jason came back that Emma owned the Frame farm and Jamie talked to Lisa about all his relatives being there but it was just poor writing history.  Suddenly Chadwell was BC

4 hours ago, DRW50 said:

June 1989.

Thanks. At least by that time they had begun to know how a little bit about how to deal medically with the victims of our dam*ed plague. 

4 hours ago, DRW50 said:

That was Kim Morgan Greene. Landry was the singing Nicole - tall, brunette, a bit matronly.

I get it now. She's the Nicole I cannot remember! My bad. 

On 6/17/2024 at 8:42 PM, Mona Kane Croft said:

Lemay's hiring was announced by the soap press just before the strike began.  So AW was still airing scripts that had been written by the head writer that Lemay was to replace when the strike began.  Of course Lemay refused to submit any scripts during the strike, although he may have already submitted his storyline projections. That is unknown, because nothing written by the scabs during the strike seemed particularly Lemay-ish.  When the strike ended, Lemay began to submit his scripts and AW began to produce episodes written by Lemay and his team.  But according to Lemay, before any of his scripts were aired, he was informed that he was fired.  Nobody really knows exactly why TPTB hired Swajeski.  Perhaps they liked her writing style better than Lemay's; or perhaps they had never really wanted to hire Lemay in the first place (a la Jacquie Courtney in 1985); or maybe they wanted to punish Lemay for not crossing the picket line during the strike; or maybe they hired her because she had been an NBC employee; or it could have been something else altogether.   

I didn't mean to imply that you were arguing.  I just meant that I did not want to engage in an argument about it, with both parties repeating, back and forth, what we believe to  be the truth.  I prefer to say what I believe and leave it at that (if possible), without either person needing to repeat his/her story, just to get the upper-hand.  And I'm not implying you were doing that either.  I just do not want to do it.  When I say I don't intend to argue, I'm referencing myself.  Not anyone else.

Makes sense.  I think they wanted Swajeski as she would possibly attract a different vision.  Younger people.  AW at that time was so low in the ratings but I thought or remembered even reading when Michael Liasbon (spelling) was hired as EP, his premise was to bring the show back to its roots and even stating back to the basics and referring the Frames and the Corys which would have made sense bringing Lemay into the scope. It was nearing the 25th anniversary and they were digging back into the past.  Of course the EP words can only go so much as what the network and NBC really wanted. I do also suspect the Lemay may have been a bit difficult to work with.  He's a talented great writer but also seems to have a bit of an ego

11 hours ago, denzo30 said:

He was in foster care and then eventually went to go live with Gwen & Willis in Australia. 

Thanks!