Members Skin Posted January 13, 2009 Members Share Posted January 13, 2009 I hate this show. I hate this show so much. Pratt destroyed this show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SteveFrame Posted January 13, 2009 Members Share Posted January 13, 2009 It is one of those cases where MMT and B&E made too many mistakes with him. He is a good actor and much better than many of them, but the mistakes have hindered fans from accepting him in any way for the most part. First the rewrite of history has pushed some fans not to take him serious. Then you had them push him as an interloper in the JR/Babe story and that made that fan base hate him. And to me they just kept bouncing him back and forth so much that they never fully defined him and brought him into his own. I mean how many professions did he have in such a short time on the show. It just seemed like they bounced him around as to what story they needed him in. Josh just stirs up so many memories of how misguided and misdirected the show has been the last few years. There have been so many rewrites of history, things undone, things left unsettled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JackPeyton Posted January 13, 2009 Members Share Posted January 13, 2009 You know where Josh did fit? With Greenlee. They so shoulda hookedup and teamed up to take on Pine Valley! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cheap21 Posted January 13, 2009 Members Share Posted January 13, 2009 oh yeah, he only lasted a few months after she came back. Juan Pablo was connected to the mob and they followed him to PV. They tried to kill Greenlee in order to get to him by running her over. Carlos saw the car and threw himself in front of it. She survived but he suffered serious injuries. JP wanted to move him out of PV bc it wasnt safe. It was too late though bc he was later murdered by the hospital and died while Simone was visiting him IA that they should have given Josh, Aidan's material. I really thought they were going to put him with Greenlee when SB recasted the role but they dropped that in favor of that horrendous Aidan/Greenlee pairing. They had another chance when Josh had a ONS with Greenlee a few months ago, but that went nowhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SteveFrame Posted January 14, 2009 Members Share Posted January 14, 2009 I think they should have given Josh that material too, but as I said before they just made too many missteps with Josh. And they set him up to be hated by too many fans and that is what I think lead to him not being as used as much. A lady that I know on another board who has written scripts for some of the shows back in the late 70's and early 80's still has friends on some of the network shows. She told me that up until a few months ago AMC was still getting lots of mail wishing Josh would just go away. It was a big mistake and it just all set up Josh for failure. And then to turn around and put him in the middle of the Jabe relationship too even brought him more enemies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Kylie Posted January 14, 2009 Members Share Posted January 14, 2009 Good, it's nice to know that there are others like me who refused to accept him. It's just such a shame that they chose a cop out to get rid of him rather then actually righting their wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SteveFrame Posted January 14, 2009 Members Share Posted January 14, 2009 I look at it as a case of moving forward instead of moving backwards. To me to waste months trying to right something that mcTavish and Frons did wrong is goind backwards. With this story they can move forward and do this right. To me sorry if it offends but to undo it and spend months on a character that is not wanted is not what is in the best interest of the show. It is only in the interest of trying to smooth feathers for a the fans out there that didn't like this and have not come to terms with it. And to me that is just as bad as stepping backwards and undoing something to appease a fan base. I am just trying to think of what is best for the show at this point and this is a quick way to wrap up the story, get rid of a character that the a huge portion of the audience doesn't want, and get the most story potential and drama out of it. If it is done right Erica can get some good material. And this could propel story for many months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Kylie Posted January 14, 2009 Members Share Posted January 14, 2009 ^How do you figure it would take months to fix it? It could have been done at the end of all of this. Oh, by the way, Josh wasn't ever your son Erica. Simple blood test done at the hospital, and it would have all come together that it was a con. A week, tops, I could do it and do it convincingly in a couple of days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SteveFrame Posted January 14, 2009 Members Share Posted January 14, 2009 Yes but that right there serves absolutely no purpose. To do it right it would take months. That right there is just a rewrite to satisfy and that is the only purpose. It is a bigger cop out than the death to do it that way. And it would totally erase any of the emotion in the scenes. I would absolutely hate that if it was done and it would really aggravate the [!@#$%^&*] out of me if they did it that way. If you are going to do it that way make it worth the last 3 years and not just a hey he wasn't your son. That is a bigger insult for me than anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SteveFrame Posted January 14, 2009 Members Share Posted January 14, 2009 Kylie, I forgot to say that I understand or trying to understand your hatred for the unabortion because I hafve been there. But it's been there for 3 years now. If they had undone it soon afterward I would have no problem with it. But it is something that is on the pallate now. It is part of the AMC history and to just undo it lightly I have a big problem with. Daytime soap writers today have taken so many of those easy outs in the last few years. They do it constantly to appease fans, to make stories work the way they want them too. It is just done to overkill status and I for one am tired of it. And I know many other fans are too. It is another thing that has lead to all the viewer unrest these days as people just don't want to invest in the shows, the stories or the characters anymore because it just doesn't mean anything anymore - because any writer can come along at any point and just wipe it all away as if it was nothing. I think Hogan Sheffer rewrote Tony DiMera's history and undid almost 10 years of story in one hour. What happened to that 10 years of faithful viewership that those people put in? It meant nothing. Same with this. Many people have worked through this, dealt with it, and to have it treated so lightly would just be overkill or making a bad situation worse. The only way I would accept it is if was part of a story that lasted several months and took some time for Erica and all the parties to deal with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Kylie Posted January 14, 2009 Members Share Posted January 14, 2009 I'm the absolute opposite. Does it make Dixie's death okay, now that people have accepted it and moved on? Is it not everyday that there is some kind of something (maybe not here, but elsewhere) about bringing Dixie back? I just don't see how fixing something is a rewrite. It would be have been something that would have given this whole thing a bit of context at least. Josh is just dying now. Kendall will bitch and moan, shed a few tears for him, and be over it in a few weeks. Erica will re-POD herself and most likely end up back with Jack. It'll all before in no time, and like it never happened. I just don't see how this solves anything. It's a whitewash. That's not to say I don't understand why you feel the way you do, SteveFrame, and I don't completely disagree, I just don't believe for a second that making him not her son would have been worse then this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SteveFrame Posted January 14, 2009 Members Share Posted January 14, 2009 But the idea of fixing something can apply to anything. Hell even McTavish could have used that same argument in that she was fixing Erica's abortion. And believe me that was even used by a pro-lifer on another board I am a member of. She said that she applauded McTavish for fixing a mistake Erica made. To me anything that happens on the soap becomes part of the history of the soap and the characters. It is a reality after it is done. And you are in essence no matter what you do are rewriting history. And I am tired of it. Deal with what is there and quit trying to in the minds of some fix things. To me now as much as I hate it Dixie is dead. Deal with it and let her stay dead. Another rise from the dead is too much for me. Josh is Erica's son now - just deal with it and go on. I cried for Dixie. I got mad at the rewrite. But I have dealt with it. Don't go negating all those feelings by "fixing" it now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Adam Posted January 14, 2009 Members Share Posted January 14, 2009 I sort of agree with this, but even though I am not outraged by the handling of this Josh thing, I totally can get where Kylie is coming from because Dixie's death is my unabortion..... I want that thing fixed..... nothing more broke my spirit in this show..... and the show has never looked the same to me since..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Kylie Posted January 14, 2009 Members Share Posted January 14, 2009 And the only way to fix it would to be to bring her back. I get that. And I wish that it was this simple with me and this whole Josh thing. I get that he's gone. I get that in a few weeks it'll be like he never happened at all. I get that. And I know why they picked this route, but it doesn't change anything. It doesn't mean he wasn't here. That he didn't exist. That he piece of [!@#$%^&*] sci-fi storyline that brought him suddenly is non-existent. What do those of you who accepted him get from this? Nothing. You get nothing. You get him dead and forgotten soon. What do those of us who wanted this fixed get? Nothing. We get nothing. He's dead and soon forgotten but still happened. Erica won't get any meaty material out of this, at least not more then a few weeks. Kendall will whine and moan, then move on to the Gabby drama. It'll all be for nothing come sweeps. I'm just saying that that at least his not being her son would have given the show back a little something. Would have showed that someone who has the power to save the show, still cared enough to try and do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Skin Posted January 14, 2009 Members Share Posted January 14, 2009 Retconning Josh into not being apart of the Kane family would take even more away from this show then the unaboriton did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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