Jump to content

On Soaps Suicide Is Rarely Painless--Even If You Are OLTL's Todd


Recommended Posts

  • Members

"Suicides by major characters are very, very rare (on soaps) and even attempted suicides don’t happen all that often. I theorize that the reason suicide is done so rarely on soaps is because the whole subject might be a little too close to home for an audience that characteristically spends hours and hours a day in their houses watching soaps....."

http://www.marlenadelacroix.com

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Replies 7
  • Created
  • Last Reply
  • Members

Emily Stewart's attempted suicide a few years ago was gut-wrenching to watch. She broke down completely for about a week leading up to it, and the last show was her on a cliff imagining everyone she'd wronged calling her on her actions, her son not knowing her and losing everyone she loved. When Paul tried to keep her from jumping, she said she'd never forgive herself if she trusted him again and just...jumped. She was pretty close to death (Meg even wanted to call it at one point) but Paul ended up reviving her.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Members

I think all TV shows are still leery of suicide. On TV if someone attempts it they are rarely successful and like Marlena said they are all most always a tertiary or transitory character. I think that people are still afraid of the appearance that they are endorsing suicide as an option. Let's face it, no actor or writer wants to get the letter with the sentence "By the time you get this I'll be gone." or "I've been thinking about this for a long time but if Todd Manning could do it then so can I." Even if they don't feel a moral/ethical imperative you can bet there are plenty of lawyers counseling these shows to stay away from the topic for fear of getting sued.

It unfortunate because suicidal ideation is far more common than most people want to admit. And anybody touched by the subject knows that avoiding the subject doesn't work.

As for OLTL - I say this as a fan of the character of Todd Manning - I can't think of a character on soaps who is a better candidate for suicide. Todd has always hated himself. The only truly pure, affirmative thing in his life has been his relationship with Starr. (At least until Ron took a plot driven hatchet to it.) Now that Starr's "gone" I could easily see Todd choosing to end his life.

It's sad. There are SO many great stories possible for the character of Todd, yet he's languished in an ocean of couple-based, plot point idiocy. Todd Manning is a Showtime character trapped on daytime TV.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Members

I remember when Nina from Y&R tried to kill herself. She didn't think Ryan loved her anymore and felt her home falling apart. He returned home from work only to find her pointing a gun at him and blaming him for the mess that was their marriage and their life. After begging her not to shoot him she confessed the gun was loaded for herself and shot herself.

I don't imagine there's much social responsibility to show for a crime committed by the victim- Victimless crime so to speak. The best one could do is by accounting for all perspectives involved.

A story line about mental illness (depression) usually has a good buildup and a poetic aftermath. Their depression is usually miraculously healed through some miracle of love. I'm not quite sure I would label that as a lack of responsibility. More that the writers don't want to box their characters in. Daytime usually tries to drive the dramatic points home in contrived ways in order to deliver some payoff for the story, but I think that's why people have turned to reality television.

Shows like A&E's Intervention deliver raw and real experiences of people dealing with substance abuse, depression, all the while presenting the family dynamic in an honest way that daytime is incapable of doing. They can then offer help.

But in embracing daytime, I would argue daytime will never be reality television, and the best they can do is present the miracles that can occur in the darkest of moments. Those little moments you get when you watch a family team together instead of blaming one another. But these days dark equals real, and positive payoff comes only from vengeance and scorn delivered day by day in the actor's performances and dialogue. Schadenfreude.

In hooking one's audience, that's what you're suppose to do. Deliver the drug that makes the viewers life seem less complicated in comparison. Perhaps that's a show's brilliance. It's not the most virtuous of television hours, or the most informative. But these days soaps are still struggling to be entertaining let alone socially relative and responsible.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.



  • Recent Posts

    • “Gender is who you are, and sexuality is who you want.” — C.N. Lester, “Trans Like Me: A Journey for All of Us” St. Pete bridge lit for Pride

      Please register in order to view this content

    • In case it is of interest to anyone here, I have digital copies (computer files, mp4 etc.) of all of the episodes. And, besides having the files they are all up on my usual video hosting site, acct name: shallotpeel, channel it is in: Primetime Soaps and file names like  Flamingo Road S1E15 Hurricane Flamingo Road was a primetime soap on NBC by Lorimar Productions. 2 seasons. 1980-1982. Morgan Fairchild, Barbara Rush. Developed by Rita Lakin.   
    • Arguably DAYS OF OUR LIVES has been brilliant lately & definitely was last week. But, here I am with nitpick & technicalities. This was the only misstep but it was just a stupid thing that should have been caught. Deidre Hall as Marlena has this one problematic line, "It didn't matter how many identities you had, I always knew exactly who you were, you were the man who saved my life." - Marlena, DAYS, 6-2-25 Unfortunately the flashback closest to it was when Marlena was on the phone, terrified because she thought he was Stefano. Yes, it's true that the line is not accurate. There were many times when she did not feel the way she is claiming because of whatever was going on in story with his 'retconned to hell & back' identity & origin story. Does it keep the whole week from being called excellent? Nope.  
    • The Vault has been down all night.
    • Notable: Glendale is not exactly a progressive enclave.

      Please register in order to view this content

      Newsom is a craven opportunist, but his comments today were exactly how better people need to handle Trump.
    • Please register in order to view this content

       
    • I decided this primetime soap deserved it's own thread as the Primetime soaps thread is very cluttered and why shouldn't NBC's Lorimar soap mot have a chance to shine? In doing a deeper dive into the second season ratings I was surprised to see that FR actually had an uptick in the ratings when NBC moved it to 9pm Tuesdays beginning March 82. I'd always assumed this move was a desperate one as NBC were running short of programming and had given up on the show,deciding to let the final episodes play out and be hammered by 3's Company  and CBS Movie. But the numbers paint a different story. In it's 10pm slot up against Hart to Hart, which regularly finished in the Top 20, FL premiered in 53rd place and placed in the 40's and 50's as the season continued. But come January 82 the numbers surged a little now moving into the 40's hitting #43 in Feb. Hart to Hart was #11 Then in March Bret Maverick was moved to 8pm with FR @9. First week 16th March FR #47 15.1/24 3's Company #3 Too Close for Comfort #5 CBS Movie #60 Not great but #2 in it's timeslot March 23 FR #44 15.6/25 3's Company #4 Too Close for Comfort #5 CBS Movie #33 So even with a stronger movie on CBS FR's numbers went up. March 30 FR #31 16.6/26 3's Company #9 Too Close for Comfort #5 CBS Movie #56 Best rating/position yet Tues April 6 pre empted Tues April 14 FR #36 16.0/26 3's Company #5 Too Close for Comfort #11 CBS Movie #59 Maintaining previous week's numbers Tues April 21 FR #33 15.6/24 3's Company #3 Too Close for Comfort #5 CBS Movie #60 Numbers down a little (reflecting general spring downturn) but best ranking of the season so far Tues April 28 FR #35 15.1/23 3's Company #9 Too Close for Comfort #6 CBS Movie #42 Tues May 4 FR #27 15.2/24 3's Company #5 Too Close for Comfort #4 CBS Movie #41 Season finale and highest position of the season. Looking at those numbers I wonder why NBC cancelled the show? They had very few hits and here was a show that was holding it's own and moving up in the rankings in a tougher timeslot. And being a serial, the storylines could continue to build the following season. And I'm sure the desirable W18-49 demo was good. Some might argue that CBS were shower weaker movies, but even so, soap viewers are pretty loyal. I guess Grant Tinker arrived at NBC and wanted a classier look but there was room for FR on the schedule. I mean, the following season Knight Rider,Powers of Matthew Star and the A Team arrived so there was still room for more populist fare. Flamingo could have stayed at 9pm-the replacement Gavilan bombed (surely FR would have done better} or moved back to 10pm. The following Jan NBC had a hit with A Team Tues 8pm. Had Flamingo followed it, it might have really taken off. As it was they tried Bare Essence, which flopped. Oh well,it was not to be...    
    • Always, in every way, Cass/Wally/Felicia foundational to my viewing. And, I think if we look at the aftermath of the disastrous 90 minute show that we find too many pockets of some kind of lost time at the show plus way too much of change-ups in exec & writing leadership and of course we also reach the first time it becomes notable that NBC wants to get rid of the show so they can put a new soap they own in the timeslot.
    • If the MAGAts were easy prey enough to get manipulated into voting for the tangerine-tinted terror, they'll fall for anything.

      Please register in order to view this content

    • And this came out as the "feud" and the media pushing the protests in Los Angeles got all the media attention. They know the press and the public will not care or can be manipulated into approving.

      Please register in order to view this content

×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

By using this site, you agree to our Terms of Use and Privacy Policy