When Olivia left, she and Ashley were on good terms again, yes there might have been some awkwardness, but I don't think they need a conversation about the affair with Brad. They've claimed they're over it, so why bring it back up? If they didn't fully resolve it when Olivia left in 2005, they'll never expand upon a forgiveness scene.

Well, I'd agree except...

Last week we saw, out of the blue, a remarkable Traci-Lauren scene. There was no NEED for that scene. It was a gift for the viewers. But it tied a bow around Lauren's evolution.

I think they could give us the same kind of gift, again, with Olivia-Ashley. I agree...they did claim they were over it. But since all the principles are back on canvas, and since these writers seem to respect history, and since Davidson said she had a hard time playing "forgiveness" (in her press interviews back then)....I'd like to see a 3-minute throwaway scene of genuine apology and forgiveness.

With the years that have passed since then, I'd believe it.

It would give me closure. Aren't I important (just kidding).

When Olivia left, she and Ashley were on good terms again, yes there might have been some awkwardness, but I don't think they need a conversation about the affair with Brad. They've claimed they're over it, so why bring it back up?

Amen.

I don't want an Ashley/Olivia apology scene. My reasoning is that in the Tracey/Lauren relationship Tracey was a victim, she was a nice, overweight teen that Lauren tormented. With Ashley and Olivia you have two imperfect women who did imperfect things to each other, neither one of them was without fault.

I don't want an Ashley/Olivia apology scene. My reasoning is that in the Tracey/Lauren relationship Tracey was a victim, she was a nice, overweight teen that Lauren tormented. With Ashley and Olivia you have two imperfect women who did imperfect things to each other, neither one of them was without fault.

I'm curious: What harm would a brief apology scene do?

I'm curious: What harm would a brief apology scene do?

Because it's all in the past and they've forgiven one another.

Ashley wouldn't be meeting with Olivia if she still hates her. No need to drudge up old drama, when these two women have obviously moved on.

Not to put words in Mark's mouth but Im think he's looking for an acknowlegement of the history between the two. Yeah, Liv and Ash were friends afterwards but (as far as we know) they haven't had a friendship since Liv left. Good friends don't just stop talking to one another for no reason. So while they may not be about to rip each others eyes out, there might still be some mixed feelings between the two friends. And i think an acknowlegment that all is forgiven or a mention of this past would be appropriate and even nececesary for those of us who remember what went down.

I'm curious: What harm would a brief apology scene do?

To me there isn't any need for apologies, neither Ashley or Olivia was an innocent party. Both are strong women, I don't see one of them cracking and apologizing to the other, especially since they already got over it years ago and it's in the past.

I don't think there has to be closure about the Brad Affair...Y&R hasn't always wrapped up storylines. For instance, John Abbott died thinking that Ashley was his biological daughter. There is a storyline that never came full circle, it was beautiful, I loved how everyone except John knew the truth right up until the end.

If I could put the couple of minutes Jack spent yelling at Phyllis and Phyllis near tears pleading with him to open his eyes into a time capsule, I'd be the happiest woman on earth.

AND OLIVIA AND ASHLEY tomorrow!!!!! Woot woot!!!!

Not to put words in Mark's mouth but Im think he's looking for an acknowlegement of the history between the two. Yeah, Liv and Ash were friends afterwards but (as far as we know) they haven't had a friendship since Liv left. Good friends don't just stop talking to one another for no reason. So while they may not be about to rip each others eyes out, there might still be some mixed feelings between the two friends. And i think an acknowlegment that all is forgiven or a mention of this past would be appropriate and even nececesary for those of us who remember what went down.

Yeah, maybe you say it better than I did.

In a show that has just been mining its history like crazy lately...again, I harken to that unnecessary but BEAUTIFUL moment between Lauren and Traci last week...to not "dredge up" the past would seem inconsistent and odd, to me.

To me there isn't any need for apologies, neither Ashley or Olivia was an innocent party. Both are strong women, I don't see one of them cracking and apologizing to the other, especially since they already got over it years ago and it's in the past.

I don't think there has to be closure about the Brad Affair...Y&R hasn't always wrapped up storylines. For instance, John Abbott died thinking that Ashley was his biological daughter. There is a storyline that never came full circle, it was beautiful, I loved how everyone except John knew the truth right up until the end.

Yeah, okay, I could buy it as unfinished business. But to not in some way acknowledge it...make a nod to the history of it...seems "un-Y&R" to me.

If I could put the couple of minutes Jack spent yelling at Phyllis and Phyllis near tears pleading with him to open his eyes into a time capsule, I'd be the happiest woman on earth.

AND OLIVIA AND ASHLEY tomorrow!!!!! Woot woot!!!!

I confess I am looking forward to it too...no matter how it goes down. I found the Bergman-Stafford scenes electrifying. They were basically pretty ordinary...nothing so amazing about the writing...but the actors just put so much power into them.

If they get many more scenes with such passion and anger...I'll begin to believe that someday Jack and Phyllis might find their way back to one another.

With all the hostility brewing between them, I'm beginning to understand why they chose Summer's elevator birth as one of the "classic" episodes. It is in contrast to where they are now...but also reminds them of their complex up-and-down history.

Because it's all in the past and they've forgiven one another.

Exactly.

Edited November 25, 200817 yr by DeeeDee

Toups, do you speak French or is there captioning for the French-impaired (like me.)?

I could speak/understand some french. I can pick up on some words to have an idea what's going on. There is captioning and I do use that cause they speak so quickly. LOL

Manny, those were the days...I actually miss Matt Clark! LOL....he was a slime and all but he definitely made the show interesting.

Rick Hearst was so awesome as Matt Clark. Man, he's so wasted on GH. Too bad he can't come back to Y&R.....or maybe he can? Maybe Matt Clarke stole Rick Hearst's new character's face. LOL

Re: Today's US episode

Is this the first time in Y&R history that the writers have had a sane/good character, who is not a vying love interest, state that a stable good couple does not have any chemistry? I mean, those exact words "No chemistry." Isn't that a slap in the face to Nia Peebles and Kristoff St. John, who have spent almost a year and a half as a couple in love?

The sight of Ash and Liv sharing a conversation in the previews had me on the edge of my seat...

This is going to be a non-event by the book, but I'm so interested in seeing thsoe two together again. Memo to producers and writers out there: this is called character-driven drama!

I'm kind of torn whether I want them to reiterate the Brad-betrayal like MarkH or just pass over it. Since, Ash and Brad are long done I want them as best friends for now with a potential clash in the future.

Re: Rick Hearst - apart from being fantastic at Y&R, he needs to quit GH and rejoin B&B where he was fabulous but much too soon let go. Whip could really shake up the show and Brooke!

Edited November 25, 200817 yr by sheilaforever

Re: Rick Hearst - apart from being fantastic at Y&R, he needs to quit GH and rejoin B&B where he was fabulous but much too soon let go. Whip could really shake up the show and Brooke!

Great idea! We need his rival, Deacon, back too!

Ugh...Dean Lamont directing today's show...