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If Ackroyd had been available for KL, then it's possible the show would've remained very middle-class, as I can't see his Gary getting mixed up in things like Wolfbridge or Empire Valley.

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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0260bGAndOs As many of you know, Joan has been MIA from the podcast as she battles an illness. This weeks episode of the podcast is a birthday celebration for Joan and

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    I wonder if they ever considered bringing back Jeff Cunningham. There would have been some possibilities there. He could have remarried to a wealthy woman, or still be scrapping for success. Wanting r

  • I think Ackroyd's Gary would have had immediate remorse and inner turmoil for having cheated on Val and would move heaven and earth to get her back. Then again his Gary probably would never had cheate

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I guess if one of his surviving AW scenes is any indication, we at least know he didn't mind appearing in skimpy attire.

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It would have been funny if David Ackroyd had been cast as Ben. Joan would be playing opposite both Gary's.

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2 minutes ago, SoapDope78 said:

It would have been funny if David Ackroyd had been cast as Ben. Joan would be playing opposite both Gary's.

Heck, I'd take him over Sam Behrens for Danny, lol!

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On 6/21/2026 at 12:43 PM, Khan said:

Heck, I'd take him over Sam Behrens for Danny, lol!

If the writers took Val's "brain virus" seriously, it could have been interesting to have David play her doctor/teased love interest. Have the first Gary Ewing be the very last obstacle before the "real" Gary Ewing and Val can finally reunite.

And now, a few stray thoughts on the first two-thirds of Season 9 (up through "In Too Deep"):

-- I don't hate the new opening sequence, but man, is it slow, even when there's more people in the credits. I wonder if the sequence would be more fondly remembered if the background was more of a mural rather than just some pretty, ice creamesque art.

-- Abby and Charles' recap conversation includes her mentioning having a business with Jeff. Did they ever say what this business was? Anyway, I guess that explains where she got her bookeeping skills from. The business must have did okay and allowed for networking-socializing; I vaguely remember a line from Season Three where Abby and/or Jeff reminisced about a party (his birthday? their anniversary?) "at the club."

-- I liked the bond Greg had with Jason Avery. If Knots wanted to do one more "Greg's protégé" storyline, Jason would have been a natural.

-- Eileen Barnett was the MVP of the Abby and Charles story. While I wish that Judith realized she's better off without her husband, I can also understand her mentality and I did like the twist that love for Charles was the primary reason for sharing Abby's private conversations.

-- Michael, you dodged a bullet not getting too deep with Jody. Talk about your overly attached girlfriends!

-- I'm in the midst of the Williams family fretting over trying to stay incognito, which is interesting to watch from a modern perspective. I think it's easier now; Pat or Frank would just have to tell Julie's school that they aren't going to sign a release letting her be photographed.

-- The great Tommy Krasker essays remind me that CBS considered doing a spinoff featuring KL's younger characters. Olivia speaking with some affection about Johnny makes me wonder why they bothered introducing Harold. They could have cut the middleman and still did the Olivia with a bad boy storyline. I guess it boiled down to keeping Peter Reckell in reserve just in case they weren't going to pull the trigger on Paige-Greg, but still needing to move forward with Olivia as part of the Lotus Point/drugs drama. Plus, Peter was 16 years older than Tonya Crowe (although I don't think he looked it).

-- Ah, my beloved "pan up from a tree to see the cul de sac" establishing shot! I missed you.

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I wonder if they ever considered bringing back Jeff Cunningham. There would have been some possibilities there.

He could have remarried to a wealthy woman, or still be scrapping for success. Wanting revenge on Abby, or trying to reconcile etc...

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4 minutes ago, Paul Raven said:

I wonder if they ever considered bringing back Jeff Cunningham. There would have been some possibilities there.

He could have remarried to a wealthy woman, or still be scrapping for success. Wanting revenge on Abby, or trying to reconcile etc...

Not bringing back Jeff never made sense. He just disappeared from his kid's life without a mention. They could have recast the role if they didn't want to bring back Barry Jenner or if he was not available.

Michael Gross from Family Ties would have worked in the role after FT ended in 1989. He's good at playing a loving father and can play sinister.

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9 minutes ago, Paul Raven said:

I wonder if they ever considered bringing back Jeff Cunningham. There would have been some possibilities there.

He could have remarried to a wealthy woman, or still be scrapping for success. Wanting revenge on Abby, or trying to reconcile etc...

I wonder if the restraining order Abby filed against him on behalf of herself and the kids would partially or completely nullify once Olivia and/or Brian became adults.

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10 minutes ago, Franko said:

I wonder if the restraining order Abby filed against him on behalf of herself and the kids would partially or completely nullify once Olivia and/or Brian became adults.

Each state is different. It would depend on what California's laws are, but in Knots Landing anything would be possible 🤣

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4 minutes ago, SoapDope78 said:

Each state is different. It would depend on what California's laws are, but in Knots Landing anything would be possible 🤣

Agreed. Also, a note about how screwy most of the leads' parenting situations are at this point in 1988:

Gary -- has yet to raise a child

Val -- didn't get to raise her firstborn, facing the possibility of unwilling co-parenting

Karen -- raised three kids, and is de facto raising an infant

Mack -- didn't raise his firstborn, didn't really need to raise his three stepkids, and is de facto raising an infant

Abby -- raised two kids

Greg -- raised his firstborn, albeit half-assed, and is repeating the process with his secondborn; was a stepfather for year without incident

Pat and Frank -- raising their only child

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1 hour ago, Franko said:

If the writers took Val's "brain virus" seriously, it could have been interesting to have David play her doctor/teased love interest. Have the first Gary Ewing be the very last obstacle before the "real" Gary Ewing and Val can finally reunite.

Val could've mistook David's character for Gary after some chance meeting, convinced Ted's Gary is an impostor. (I've read about that sort of thing happening with individuals who have suffered brain trauma, although I can't remember where, lol).

1 hour ago, Paul Raven said:

I wonder if they ever considered bringing back Jeff Cunningham. There would have been some possibilities there.

He could have remarried to a wealthy woman, or still be scrapping for success. Wanting revenge on Abby, or trying to reconcile etc...

I would've brought back Jeff after Olivia's suicide attempt. He's heard about what happened and desires to reconnect with his daughter. Abby, of course, is afraid he will use Olivia's fragile mental state to turn her (and Brian) against her (Abby), especially when Jeff comes out in favor of Olivia's relationship with Harold.

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2 hours ago, SoapDope78 said:

Not bringing back Jeff never made sense. He just disappeared from his kid's life without a mention. They could have recast the role if they didn't want to bring back Barry Jenner or if he was not available.

Barry Jenner run on Dallas was 1984-1986 and he spent the rest of the 1980s in guest star roles, including two episodes of Falcon Crest in 1989. The timing works for him to have returned to Knots Landing in the late 1980s but for whatever reason that didn't happen.

Someone at CBS/Lorimar liked Barry Jenner, as he appeared on all three CBS primetime soaps. For me and many of my generation, Barry Jenner will forever be Lieutenant Murtaugh of Family Matters.

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We're Knot Done Yet - Episode 58 - YouTube

Special guest Susan Lucci.

Watched a bit of this and Susan and Donna talk about their work in the movie Joy. Nice that they had a better experience with David O'Russell than some...

I'm surprised Donna is doing these with such poor lighting.

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