Members DRW50 Posted November 18, 2017 Members Share Posted November 18, 2017 Yes, but it depends on which actor is saying it. For instance, if Barbara Windsor was saying "ain't," I'd tend to believe it, because she always had a bit of rough to her. I don't with Jenna Russell. It takes a lot of work and time to make this believable - Pam St. Clement was posh but always managed to make Pat's rougher edge feel real - and I don't think Eastenders has that type of time anymore. I'll admit if I wasn't so bitter about what the show has done to one of my favorite characters I'd care less than I do. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Skylover Posted November 18, 2017 Members Share Posted November 18, 2017 Which character, Michelle? People seem to be coming round to the new Michelle now and I'm glad as I like her, but I still wouldn't be surprised if John Yorke axed her. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DRW50 Posted November 18, 2017 Members Share Posted November 18, 2017 Yes. She just doesn't fit in for me at all. The stuff with her and Karen (awful) and Honey (wrecked by SOC) on Thursday...ugh. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Skylover Posted November 18, 2017 Members Share Posted November 18, 2017 Funny how people see things differently. I didn't see the first actress so it doesn't bother me so much but I think it's worth perservering with Michelle because of her place in the show. I don't find her remarkably different to the other actress from what I've seen. I'm now watching the stuff from Thursday and not quite through it yet so I'll refrain from commenting as yet! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Vee Posted November 18, 2017 Members Share Posted November 18, 2017 She's just unrecognizable. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Skylover Posted November 18, 2017 Members Share Posted November 18, 2017 In what sense? Physically?! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DRW50 Posted November 18, 2017 Members Share Posted November 18, 2017 I'm glad you are enjoying her. There's nothing in Thursday that would change your opinion - she doesn't really do much. Michelle and the '80s version of Kathy meant a lot to me and represent most of what I loved about Eastenders, so this year has...not been an experience I have enjoyed. But at least the Preston story is over and the Willmott-Brown fiasco will be over soon and if America has not been nuked I can look forward to new material in 2018. I just wish I could shake the feeling that Luke is going to rape Ben. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Skylover Posted November 18, 2017 Members Share Posted November 18, 2017 (edited) I liked the Preston story but I think the idea of it was better than the execution. I think it could have been more nuanced than it was, but I think giving that story to such a big former character, and one who had been re-cast to boot, was a bit of a step in the wrong direction. I don't think people were ready for that. I found it believable from what I know about Michelle. I watched Grant and Sharon's wedding recently and I was surprised by how similar I felt the Michelles are. And I felt the same from the small amount of other stuff I've seen. Having said that, a few episodes doesn't compare to experiencing the character for her entire 10+ year tenure. I also feel like the Willmott-Brown stuff is the first time Kathy's felt alive for a while. I'm not sure if it's because the actress has had some cosmetic work but the acting has felt a little off a lot of the time since she's been back. I really hope not with Luke/Ben. I can't wait for the show to move on from this stuff though because so little makes any sense. I just hope there are some characters left who I actually want to watch after they've axed most of the ones I like. Edited November 18, 2017 by Edward Skylover 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DRW50 Posted November 18, 2017 Members Share Posted November 18, 2017 Gillian's acting has improved and the character feels more present, but it's just so degrading to see her have to talk about her rape when she didn't want to, have to encourage her son to see her rapist's son, her talking about how she's always been afraid and it's always stayed with her - I feel like it's made her into a victim above all else. I'm not really thrilled with the rewrites making Willmott-Brown some sort of all-powerful Gavin figure either. Here's the Children in Need for this year. The last song seems fitting for the EE struggles of the past year... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Vee Posted November 18, 2017 Members Share Posted November 18, 2017 Any sense. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BetterForgotten Posted November 19, 2017 Members Share Posted November 19, 2017 (edited) I think John Yorke once said that Michelle was his favourite character, but he also said he'd never bring that character back if Sue Tully was never going to return. I wonder what he'll do with her and if he'll try to remedy some things with the character during his interim phase. Edited November 19, 2017 by BetterForgotten 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Skylover Posted November 19, 2017 Members Share Posted November 19, 2017 The thing is she has been re-cast now, so I think it's worth trying to keep making it work. I think it could go either way, but I wouldn't be surprised if she was axed. What's the point in axing her when it's been done, the re-cast can't really be erased from history. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
victoria foxton Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 (edited) This Michelle doesn't work at all. Neither the actress or the writers are capable of capturing Michelle's true essence. The Michelle i watched in the 1990's on PBS. Would never ram her car through her cousin Ian's chippy shop. Edited November 19, 2017 by victoria foxton 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Vee Posted November 19, 2017 Members Share Posted November 19, 2017 It's about so much more than just the actual recast. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Skylover Posted November 19, 2017 Members Share Posted November 19, 2017 Could you elaborate? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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