Considering he had just slugged Jared and was then just a-wagging his finger around in Natalie's face while screaming at her, calling her a whore, I think it's very possible that he could have slapped her if Jared didn't pull him out of the way. And I'm sorry, but when Jared pulled Nash back, I'm sure the thought "well, I have to pull him away, but not too hard, he might fall through the skylight" wasn't going through his mind. If Jared had to take a second to think about how hard he was going to pull Nash, Nash should have taken a second to think about starting a fight so close to the skylight in the first place.

Jared has never said he thought Nash was going to hit Natalie. It's a baseless assumption and if you are going to put your hands on someone else, then it's your responsibility to consider the consequences of doing so, which obviously Jared didn't bother to do. He is responsible for Nash's death, no matter what he intended. Maybe Nash should have thought about where he started the fight, but then he didn't kill Jared with that punch either, so it's hardly the same thing.

What gets me is how no one is blaming Dorian for her part in this....also the fact she was responsible for Jess losing her almost full term baby with Will all those years ago. Now her actions set off events that caused Jess to lose her husband. I can't believe they are dumping this all on Nat & Jared. Granted they were there at the end but the whole losing the vineyard thing was because of Dorian outing Jared when she did....

Well, I know what you mean to an extent, although Clint has certainly directed his anger towards Dorian. I think they will save a lot of this for the eventual Dorian-Viki fallout, which to be honest, I can hardly allow myself to think about ...

... I think it will be the fight to end all fights!

I would like to be the Erika Slezak fanboy for a second and point out what a great job she has been doing. This is a lead actress who also knows how to SUPPORT. Viki has been really fun to watch the past two days, especially when she tried THREE times to stop Jessica from going off today, only to be shot down! I liked when Jessica looked at her the first time and said, "Thanks." LOL. But seriously, Erika has done a great job showing Viki's sympathy for Jessica, while also looking pained at her attack on Natalie. Did anyone else catch her crying when Jessica laid the "trailer trash" term on Nat? Erika is always excellent in these sorts of scenes ... she doesn't try to steal the show. Love her, etc.

What gets me is how no one is blaming Dorian for her part in this....also the fact she was responsible for Jess losing her almost full term baby with Will all those years ago. Now her actions set off events that caused Jess to lose her husband. I can't believe they are dumping this all on Nat & Jared. Granted they were there at the end but the whole losing the vineyard thing was because of Dorian outing Jared when she did....

I don't think no one is blaming Dorian I think Natalie is just getting the brunt of this because she is family. Dorian always does these kinds of things its expected from her and everyone knows she's had it out for the Buchannans Natalie on the otherhand betrayed her own family and that's why she's getting so much heat. Jared made the family trust him and then he betrayed them; that's a tough pill to swallow. When Clint,Nora, Bo, and Dorian had a scene last week they let Dorian have it and they have every intention of getting the company back and making her pay for what she did. In no way are they letting her off the hook for her role in this and even Dorian's own family is disgusted with her actions.(None of the Cramer women wanted to be on the board of C.E.).

There have been no Dorian/Jess scenes so it's impossible to know how accountable she holds her on the other hand there have been Natalie/Jess scenes because Natalie keeps coming around her. By going to Jess she's opening herself up to being insulted and ridiculed. Jess is grieving and feels betrayed by her sister for not only sleeping with the man who conned her family and inadvertently killed her husband but for getting that man out of jail by blackmailing their father.

There have been no Dorian/Jess scenes so it's impossible to know how accountable she holds her on the other hand there have been Natalie/Jess scenes because Natalie keeps coming around her. By going to Jess she's opening herself up to being insulted and ridiculed. Jess is grieving and feels betrayed by her sister for not only sleeping with the man who conned her family and inadvertently killed her husband but for getting that man out of jail by blackmailing their father.

I'm surprised that Nat hasn't mentioned that Tess sent Jared to jail for two years when he didn't deserve it. That's the only reason I'm ok with Jared not doing jail time for fraud and involuntary manslaughter. He already did his time and I think if I were Nat I would point that out to Clint.

Jared has never said he thought Nash was going to hit Natalie. It's a baseless assumption and if you are going to put your hands on someone else, then it's your responsibility to consider the consequences of doing so, which obviously Jared didn't bother to do. He is responsible for Nash's death, no matter what he intended. Maybe Nash should have thought about where he started the fight, but then he didn't kill Jared with that punch either, so it's hardly the same thing.

A baseless assumption? The base is that he had just punched Jared and was waving his finger maybe two inches away from Natalie's face, calling her a whore. If it's preposterous to think that he could have slapped her (or at least pushed her shoulder or something), I'd have to wonder when it would have been appropriate to assume that Nash was violent enough to hurt her.

And Nash should have definitely thought about where he started the fight. He's dead, so yes, obviously he picked the wrong location for a brawl. If they were on a rooftop, would he have decided to fight right by the edge? I'm not denying Jared's part in Nash's death at all, but both of them made bad judgment calls there. Nash's part in his own death should not be ignored. His death was not a direct result of Jared and Natalie's lies. There were many options he could have taken in that situation that wouldn't have ended in his dying. Clint and Bo lost way more than some faux Falcon Crest, but they didn't go after Jared throwing their fists at him. Nash made his decision to kick some ass all on his own and he ended paying the price for it.

It's something that I feel very strongly about and I'm positive that I'll stick with it until the day this storyline is dead and buried. Pun intended.

I think I may be one of the few that feels sorry for Natalie

Quick, and probably dumb, legal question: can the Buchanans charge Jared with fraud again? I mean, since Clint has proven more than once that he doesn't give two shits about Natalie, I don't see why he'd have a probably going back on his word to her and sending Jared up the river. Unless, of course, I'm proving how legally stupid I am and don't realize that you can't bring the same charge on a person twice.

A baseless assumption? The base is that he had just punched Jared and was waving his finger maybe two inches away from Natalie's face, calling her a whore. If it's preposterous to think that he could have slapped her (or at least pushed her shoulder or something), I'd have to wonder when it would have been appropriate to assume that Nash was violent enough to hurt her.

And Nash should have definitely thought about where he started the fight. He's dead, so yes, obviously he picked the wrong location for a brawl. If they were on a rooftop, would he have decided to fight right by the edge? I'm not denying Jared's part in Nash's death at all, but both of them made bad judgment calls there. Nash's part in his own death should not be ignored. His death was not a direct result of Jared and Natalie's lies. There were many options he could have taken in that situation that wouldn't have ended in his dying. Clint and Bo lost way more than some faux Falcon Crest, but they didn't go after Jared throwing their fists at him. Nash made his decision to kick some ass all on his own and he ended paying the price for it.

It's something that I feel very strongly about and I'm positive that I'll stick with it until the day this storyline is dead and buried. Pun intended.

Pushed her shoulder? I'm pretty sure Nat could have survived that, not that I think it's reasonable to think Nash would have done that to his wife's sister. Nash has never slapped a woman and I don't think finger pointing is any reason to think he would have done so. Again, Jared could have easily stepped between Nash and Nat or Natalie could have stepped back if she were afraid, but she didn't look to me like she though Nash was going to hurt her and she has never said she thought that would happen and neither has Jared.

Anyway, I'm not denying that Nash played a small part in what happened. However, it's not as if Nash punched Jared and then Jared punched him back in self defense. Jared had plenty of time to think about what he was doing and the consequences. As far as I'm concerned he bares a lot more responsibility than Nash, since Nash at least had the sense not to punch Jared through a skyelight.

If someone had killed my husband or brother in these circumstances I would expect them to be punished in some way and I think they would be. You can't just go around killing people because they might push or slap someone else. It doesn't matter if it's an accident or not. And I feel just as strongly and will not change my opinion either so I guess we'll just have to disagree.

WTF is wrong wtih Talia? Isnt she a cop. How could she do that to Sarah

Quick, and probably dumb, legal question: can the Buchanans charge Jared with fraud again? I mean, since Clint has proven more than once that he doesn't give two shits about Natalie, I don't see why he'd have a probably going back on his word to her and sending Jared up the river. Unless, of course, I'm proving how legally stupid I am and don't realize that you can't bring the same charge on a person twice.

He signed a legal document absolving Jared for the fraud. He cant charge him again unless that document gets "lost"

Edited June 26, 200817 yr by Cheap21

A baseless assumption? The base is that he had just punched Jared and was waving his finger maybe two inches away from Natalie's face, calling her a whore. If it's preposterous to think that he could have slapped her (or at least pushed her shoulder or something), I'd have to wonder when it would have been appropriate to assume that Nash was violent enough to hurt her.

And Nash should have definitely thought about where he started the fight. He's dead, so yes, obviously he picked the wrong location for a brawl. If they were on a rooftop, would he have decided to fight right by the edge? I'm not denying Jared's part in Nash's death at all, but both of them made bad judgment calls there. Nash's part in his own death should not be ignored. His death was not a direct result of Jared and Natalie's lies. There were many options he could have taken in that situation that wouldn't have ended in his dying. Clint and Bo lost way more than some faux Falcon Crest, but they didn't go after Jared throwing their fists at him. Nash made his decision to kick some ass all on his own and he ended paying the price for it.

It's something that I feel very strongly about and I'm positive that I'll stick with it until the day this storyline is dead and buried. Pun intended.

I love your posts, but how much of your opinion is based on the fact that Jared has a hot ass, and chest, and stomach, and arms, and bulge, and legs, and face, and hair, and wardrobe ...

Just teasing.

I think I may be one of the few that feels sorry for Natalie

I felt sorry for Natalie today, but not when she is telling Jared that she's glad she chose him over her family. Those scenes are just .

I felt sorry for Natalie today, but not when she is telling Jared that she's glad she chose him over her family. Those scenes are just .

Yeah.

I don't really mind that she's ga ga over Jared, but I want this to be a story about the sisters, and I want to see more angst from Natalie lol. Not necessarily that she should feel bad about "what she did" forever, but just to see her genuinely upset that her sister, who she supposedly loves so much, hates her. I want there to be enough EMOTION from BOTH Natalie and Jessica that when they eventually reconcile, we will really feel and WANT it.

I also want Viki to have more material that shows her really torn between her daughters and not taking sides.

Talia was obviously forced to do that. She looked nervous as hell and remember Jonas "handled" her yesterday. I'm sure that has something to do with it.

Either that or she's evil like daddy.

Talia was obviously forced to do that. She looked nervous as hell and remember Jonas "handled" her yesterday. I'm sure that has something to do with it.

Either that or she's evil like daddy.

Huh? I thought Talia had no ties to Llanview. Do we even know who her parents are? I was off-and-on when she was introduced, but there were no ties that I knew of.

But yeah, I agree that she was definitely being forced. The way they handled that whole thing is interesting. Like, how did she get overpowered so easily? And then they sort of left off, and picked up today with her making the phone call.

Pushed her shoulder? I'm pretty sure Nat could have survived that, not that I think it's reasonable to think Nash would have done that to his wife's sister. Nash has never slapped a woman and I don't think finger pointing is any reason to think he would have done so. Again, Jared could have easily stepped between Nash and Nat or Natalie could have stepped back if she were afraid, but she didn't look to me like she though Nash was going to hurt her and she has never said she thought that would happen and neither has Jared.

Anyway, I'm not denying that Nash played a small part in what happened. However, it's not as if Nash punched Jared and then Jared punched him back in self defense. Jared had plenty of time to think about what he was doing and the consequences. As far as I'm concerned he bares a lot more responsibility than Nash, since Nash at least had the sense not to punch Jared through a skyelight.

If someone had killed my husband or brother in these circumstances I would expect them to be punished in some way and I think they would be. You can't just go around killing people because they might push or slap someone else. It doesn't matter if it's an accident or not. And I feel just as strongly and will not change my opinion either so I guess we'll just have to disagree.

Julia, I'm kind of confused by your responses. You responded to my post saying you didn't feel Jared should go to jail because he was sent by Tess, but then you responded above saying that you thought he should be punished. I am not attacking I'm just curious about your stance on this and I want to make sure I have a clear understanding of it. What do you think should be done with Jared? Do you think it was wrong for Natalie to blackmail Clint so Jared could get out of jail?