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LOVING

  • June 26, 1983 - November 10, 1995 on ABC

THE CITY

  • November 13, 1995 - March 28, 1997 on ABC

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Saturday, November 24 1990

Babbin's innovations have made 'Loving' fun BY CONNIE PASSALACQUA

The three lowest rated soaps - ABCs "Loving,: NBC's "Generations" and NBC's "Santa Barbara'' - have fought back with substantial revamping this year. Of the three, "Loving" has, well ... done the loveliest. "Loving" s rebounding in quality must be credited to producer Jacqueline Babbin, who was hired last June. Babbin, a producer with 40 years of TV experience, made her soap opera mark as the producer of the humorous and topical "All My Children" from 1982-86. Babbin's own personality - salty, savvy and funny - was the perfect antidote for bland "Loving*" and we mean bland! In fact, watching Babbin play with the show has been an education in itself for us armchair soap "producers." Babbin's first move was to spice up the cast by hiring an interesting group of backdrop noncontract players .Lonny Price prosecuted Stacey Forbes (Lauren-Mane Taylor) for murder this summer, but the culprit turned out to be minor-character Denny, played by a popeyed character actor named Walter Bobbie. Now, Bobbie is back on the show as Denny's brother Wally!

Instead of firing bland actors who play major good-guy characters, Babbin has made an original move by doubling them up in scenes -a cunning way to use up the actors' number of contractually guaranteed weekly appearances! Thus, whenever you saw Perry Stephens (as longtime hero Jack Forbes) this summer, be was most likely in a scene with Bob Dubac (the thinking woman's heartthrob, who plays ultra-good Alec Masters).

The show's two central heroines, Stacey Forbes and Tricia McKenzie (Taylor and Noelle Beck) have been similarly paired. These characters also have been spiced up to reflect the fire in both actresses' real personalities. Moved to center stage have been the boisterous Gwyneth Alden (Elizabeth Savage) and loony Norma (Ilene Kristeo, who formerly played Delia on "Ryan's Hope"). Also slotted for center stage has been nightclub sleaze Paul Slavinsky (Joseph Breen). As a counterpoint to the offbeat, "Loving" has resurrected the whitest of its white-bread heroines. Shana Sloan Donovan (Susan Keith). But this time Shana s brain has been showcased. She masterminded the defense at Stacey's trial. and since Shana's husband and baby were killed off in a suspicious plane crash, she has become a crusader for victims' rights.

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Thanks @Paul Raven I had never considered the whole pairing aspect. I wonder if that was intended. I too think Robert Dubac was attractive, although I never knew anyone else did. Alex being detailed as a "good guy" tells you just how rapidly the show had altered him with the real Clay returned. Dubac was so different from Mantooth though, I'm not surprised the show lost interest in the character. I wish we knew who else tried out for the recast.

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I think this is Lauren Marie Taylor.

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It is, lol.

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Having praised Jackie Babbin, Connie is now going to bat for Haidee Granger

The Palladium-Times. Wednesday. May 19. 1993

'Loving' peps up BY CONNIE PASSALACQUA

A s the traditionally colorless, personalityless "Loving" journeys toward its 10th anniversary next month, something near-miraculous is happening under executive producer Haidee Granger, "Loving" suddenly seems colorized. Under Granger, who took over last summer. Loving" now has incredibly rich looking sets. In fact, the glass bubble church in which Trisha (formerly played by Noelle Beck) and Trucker (played by Robert Tyler) were remarried looked to be one of the most expensive soap sets eve. "Loving"s new music is also rich, seeming to swell up out of nowhere in every scene Thanks to the new production values, Corinth finally looks and sounds like a three-dimensional town.

It has only been in the last few months, however, that Granger has hit story-line pay dirt-Former head writer Millee Taggart returned with a new love triangle, which, to put it mildly, is hot. Former prig Shana (played by Susan Keith) is now in her late 30s, and, natch, her biological clock is ticking. To father her child, she asked department store magnate Leo Burnell (played by James Carroll) to spend a night with her, after which-only on soaps, Leo fell in love with her. But Leo has also long been in love with the impetuous Ava (Lisa Peluso)

As written by Taggart. the love triangle is full of humor. Humor ... on "Loving" Yes! Peluso, under normal circumstances can be incredibly whiny is a deft comedian. Even Keith, who has always played Sturm und Drang heroines on soaps (including One Life to Live" and "Another World"), is exposing her funny bone In his first important soap role Carroll is a rarity - a 30ish leading man with fresh charm. The whole story line has been an unexpected delight. Unfortunately, the rest of "Loving" is dull by comparison.

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2 hours ago, Paul Raven said:

As written by Taggart. the love triangle is full of humor. Humor ... on "Loving" Yes! Peluso, under normal circumstances can be incredibly whiny is a deft comedian. Even Keith, who has always played Sturm und Drang heroines on soaps (including One Life to Live" and "Another World"), is exposing her funny bone In his first important soap role Carroll is a rarity - a 30ish leading man with fresh charm. The whole story line has been an unexpected delight. Unfortunately, the rest of "Loving" is dull by comparison.

That is how Keith started on AW but her last year or two had Cecile as a hellbitch, and she was fantastic. I wonder how many just remembered Nancy Frangione's Cecile as having a personality. Loving just never wanted to go that far with Shana.

I'd be curious if others feel that story was the best part of Loving at this time (clearly incoming writers/producers did not).

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19 minutes ago, DRW50 said:

That is how Keith started on AW but her last year or two had Cecile as a hellbitch, and she was fantastic. I wonder how many just remembered Nancy Frangione's Cecile as having a personality. Loving just never wanted to go that far with Shana.

I'd be curious if others feel that story was the best part of Loving at this time (clearly incoming writers/producers did not).

Keith was very good as a nssty little snipe on AW, especially the change in her character. Frangione picked it up and was given the opportunity to take it further.

Do you remember if there was a main catalyst for the change in Keith's Cecile? I might be remembering it wrong but I seem to remember something resembling marital rape with Jamie Frame. Of course Philip didn't help.

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13 minutes ago, Stevel said:

Keith was very good as a nssty little snipe on AW, especially the change in her character. Frangione picked it up and was given the opportunity to take it further.

Do you remember if there was a main catalyst for the change in Keith's Cecile? I might be remembering it wrong but I seem to remember something resembling marital rape with Jamie Frame. Of course Philip didn't help.

I believe it was learning Philip had been paid by Iris to break up her relationship and get engaged to her, although I may be wrong.

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