This is the Presidential Campaign Thread.

Barack Obama Vs. John McCain.

Edited November 6, 200817 yr by Toups

Don't know if anybody has mentioned this...but I like that CNN has been doing their things on adopting dogs after the Obama daughters' thing.

Edited November 13, 200817 yr by bandbfan

Don't know if anybody has mentioned this...but I like that CNN has been doing their things on adopting dogs after the Obama daughters' thing.

I haven't seen any of that but I did read this morning that some vets have finally spoken up about there being no such thing as a hypoallergenic dog. I don't know why it took so long for that to be addressed.

Palin is apparently still running against Barack Obama and maybe this is her gearing up for 2012 since that line of attack was successful. Maybe Bill Ayers will shed some light on whatever she keeps saying about him tomorrow when he appears on GMA. What are the chances that she heard about him before she read the text of the stump speech about him?

Palin Attacks Obama Over Ayers Yet Again on CNN

Rachel Weiner

In an interview with CNN's Wolf Blitzer, Sarah Palin says she's ready to work with President Barack Obama -- but she just can't let Bill Ayers go. From the transcript:

PALIN: It would be my honor to assist and support our new president and the new administration, yes. And I speak for other Republicans, other Republican governors also, they being willing also to, again, seize this opportunity that we have to progress this nation together, a united front.

BLITZER: Because, you know, during a campaign, every presidential campaign, things are said, it's tough, as you well know, it gets sometimes pretty fierce out there. And during the campaign, you said this, you said: "This is not a man who sees America as you see it and how I see America."

And then you went on to say: "Someone who sees America, it seems, as being so imperfect that he is palling around with terrorists who would target their own country."

PALIN: Well, I still am concerned about that association with Bill Ayers. And if anybody still wants to talk about it, I will, because this is an unrepentant domestic terrorist who had campaigned to blow up, to destroy our Pentagon and our U.S. Capitol. That's an association that still bothers me.

And I think it's still fair to talk about it. However the campaign is over. That chapter is closed. Now is the time to move on and to, again, make sure that all of us are doing all that we can to progress this nation.

Keep us secure, get the economy back on the right track, and many of us do have some ideas on how to do that and hopefully we'll be able to put all of that wisdom and experience to good use together.

BLITZER: So looking back, you don't regret that tough language during the campaign?

PALIN: No, and I do not think that it is off-base nor mean-spirited, nor negative campaigning to call someone out on their associations and on their record. And that's why I did it.

BLITZER: I just want to sort of footnote, was that your idea or did somebody write those lines for you?

PALIN: It was a collaborative effort there in deciding how do we start bringing up some of the associations that perhaps would be impacting on an administration, on the future of America. But again, though, Wolf, knowing that it really -- at this point, I don't want to point fingers backwards and play the blame game, certainly, on anything that took place in terms of strategy or messaging in the campaign.

Now is the time to move forward together, start progressing America.

anybody live in GA please vote on Dec 2. I heard they having another vote there. Vote for Jim Martin Democratic.

Or find out when. i know it's in Dec.

Palin Keeps Attacking Obama: "No Present Button"

Sam Stein

The presidential campaign is over, but Sarah Palin -- still at the epicenter of media attention -- continues to take digs at Barack Obama.

Speaking at the Republican Governor's Association meeting on Thursday in Miami, the Alaska Governor spoke primarily about the responsibilities of Republican executives in supporting domestic initiatives like tax cuts and budgetary prudence. But then she offered an obvious swipe at the President-elect.

Governors, she said make "tough decisions to best serve the people who hire us. And we are held accountable every day. The buck stops on our desk. We are not just one of many voting yea or nay or present. No. There is no present button in our office, is there? We have to make the tough decisions."

The line about voting "present," of course, is a clear jab at Obama -- lifted from an attack line that the McCain campaign (and the Clinton camp) used repeatedly on the trail. The crowd, it seemed, got the joke.

The dig comes, moreover, after Palin has continued airing concerns about Obama'a associations and readiness to be commander-in-chief in recent interviews.

It's hard to understand just what type of strategy Palin is deploying here. Her popularity rating plummeted as the campaign progressed, in part because of her attacks on Obama, in part because, after the campaign ended, aides to McCain painted her as vapid and out-of-her-league.

As such, she needs to push back against these negative narratives. And so we see her taking all of these national interviews after mostly avoiding press on the trail. But by continuing to take swipes at Obama, Palin seems to be doing little more than reinforcing the image that she is hyper-partisan and bitter over the election outcome.

Since I'm not one of those people who wants to see Palin running in 2012, I should really look at her continuing attacks as helping to guarantee that she won't get far. Based on what she says about her faith maybe she believes that God can only open up the door for her and those with whom she agrees or she must really believe that God wants her to attack Obama. Based on the Country First platform on which she ran, she's showing some contradiction in that the election is over and she should put down her divisive partisan rhetoric. She should at least wait until Obama has taken office and done something disagreeable before pouncing. I fail to see how what she's saying is good for the country.

Thanks for posting the analysis, marceline. Very interesting. It should put to rest some arguments that it's all the black people's fault.

I understand what you're saying about self-respect. I still have a hard time comparing separate bathrooms/water fountains to gay marriage.

It's about separate but equal. The colored bathrooms were never as clean. They existed solely to make white bigots feel safe and superior. Civil unions, domestic partnerships or whatever will never be the same as marriage. They exist solely to make straight bigots feel safe and superior. People are either equal or not. Personally I believe that if we won't allow gay people to marry then they should pay less in taxes. No point in paying for rights not available to them.

As an aside, my "gay husband" informed me that in the interest of staving off the coming Gay/Black War based on Prop 8 (or as I call it the Afro-Homo Conflict) I have to take him out to dinner. I can't wait to inform him that it wasn't the "blacks" but the geezers that screwed it up. Especially since he's older than I am.

BTW, Dan Savage was on The Colbert Report commenting on this. All I can say is that I'm more in love with Dan (and Stephen) than I was before. And I didn't think that was possible.

http://www.hulu.com/watch/43974/the-colber...vage#s-p1-st-i1

I haven't seen any of that but I did read this morning that some vets have finally spoken up about there being no such thing as a hypoallergenic dog. I don't know why it took so long for that to be addressed.

I was wondering myself about that. Closest things are some nearly hairless dogs, which some aren't fans of.

But anyway, they've just been doing stories in general about how many animals are in shelters and are in need of adoption. Kind of a PSA but with some relevance to the Obamas.

I wish that eskimo bitch would just disappear already.

I wish that eskimo bitch would just disappear already.

I totally and completely agree with you! Can she go away please, forever.

Since I'm not one of those people who wants to see Palin running in 2012, I should really look at her continuing attacks as helping to guarantee that she won't get far. Based on what she says about her faith maybe she believes that God can only open up the door for her and those with whom she agrees or she must really believe that God wants her to attack Obama. Based on the Country First platform on which she ran, she's showing some contradiction in that the election is over and she should put down her divisive partisan rhetoric. She should at least wait until Obama has taken office and done something disagreeable before pouncing. I fail to see how what she's saying is good for the country.

Yes, she should. If she loves this country as much as she professes to, she will stop opening up that pie-hole of hers and get back to "governing" Alaska.

If the Republicans haven't learned anything from this election, then they will probably have SP as a front-runner for 2012. However, if they want to move more to the center and their historic fiscal conservative base, they will keep far away from her spiked tongue.

It's about separate but equal. The colored bathrooms were never as clean. They existed solely to make white bigots feel safe and superior. Civil unions, domestic partnerships or whatever will never be the same as marriage. They exist solely to make straight bigots feel safe and superior. People are either equal or not. Personally I believe that if we won't allow gay people to marry then they should pay less in taxes. No point in paying for rights not available to them.

As an aside, my "gay husband" informed me that in the interest of staving off the coming Gay/Black War based on Prop 8 (or as I call it the Afro-Homo Conflict) I have to take him out to dinner. I can't wait to inform him that it wasn't the "blacks" but the geezers that screwed it up. Especially since he's older than I am.

BTW, Dan Savage was on The Colbert Report commenting on this. All I can say is that I'm more in love with Dan (and Stephen) than I was before. And I didn't think that was possible.

http://www.hulu.com/watch/43974/the-colber...vage#s-p1-st-i1

Good points. Ya know, I love how open-minded you are and supportive of gay rights. It's great to see that!

The clip was hilarious! Thanks for sharing. I didn't realize Dan Savage was such a cutie.

It's about separate but equal. The colored bathrooms were never as clean. They existed solely to make white bigots feel safe and superior. Civil unions, domestic partnerships or whatever will never be the same as marriage. They exist solely to make straight bigots feel safe and superior. People are either equal or not. Personally I believe that if we won't allow gay people to marry then they should pay less in taxes. No point in paying for rights not available to them.

As an aside, my "gay husband" informed me that in the interest of staving off the coming Gay/Black War based on Prop 8 (or as I call it the Afro-Homo Conflict) I have to take him out to dinner. I can't wait to inform him that it wasn't the "blacks" but the geezers that screwed it up. Especially since he's older than I am.

BTW, Dan Savage was on The Colbert Report commenting on this. All I can say is that I'm more in love with Dan (and Stephen) than I was before. And I didn't think that was possible.

http://www.hulu.com/watch/43974/the-colber...vage#s-p1-st-i1

I love that clip

I wish that eskimo bitch would just disappear already.

No kidding. She is the gift the GOP just will not stop giving.

No kidding. She is the gift the GOP just will not stop giving.

I think some of the media is actually enjoying this a bit much. They seem to be eager to make her the star of the GOP after having pointed out how "unfit" they found her to be vp. I have a hard time listening to her because she seems to say things in some strange order that makes her sound as if she's not making any sense at all.....which for the most part she isn't. Then you have the media, who sometimes admit that they're only covering her for lack of another story, try to pretend as if she's said or done something profound, only to contradict that minutes or even seconds later. What they're really enjoying is the possibility that there will be GOP internal fights that they can magnify.

When you listen to Crist give an interview and then listen to her what you get is coherence and then a head shaking moment. BTW, Crist is definitely setting himself up to vy for party leadership since I'm convinced that he's getting married to satisfy his party's concerns.

Here's a link to Bill Ayers on GMA:

http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=6252793

Obviously, his book is being reprinted in an attempt to capitalize off the election. I think the interview is sufficient enough to get to whatever conclusion one will draw. I don't agree with his stance that what his group did does not constitute terrorism because the idea of blowing up the buildings was to result in scaring the government into doing what they wanted.

Chris Cuomo seems so idiotic in this piece to me. There are instances when a journalist needs to stick to a specific categorization despite how the subject categorizes it, for instance, a murderer trying to redefine murder as something else shouldn't cause the journalist to stop calling it murder. Cuomo doesn't want to accept that there is no real relationship between Ayers and Obama since he went on to imply that Obama seeks Ayers out for advice....which Ayers corrected him on. They should have had someone else interview him who could maintain more objectivity on that specific subject.

When you listen to Crist give an interview and then listen to her what you get is coherence and then a head shaking moment. BTW, Crist is definitely setting himself up to vy for party leadership since I'm convinced that he's getting married to satisfy his party's concerns.

The only reason Crist got engaged in the first place was to placate the McCain camp when he was on the short list for VP. And you're right, Wales. He's only getting married to appear "mainstream" or whatever. Rumors of his homosexuality - or at least bisexuality - have been doggin him for years.

I'm not sure what to think of HRC as Secretary of State. I'm not too keen on that idea, nor the other popular CW choice of John Kerry. My preference would be for someone like Hagel or even Powell. But I don't think Colin Powell is on anyone's radar right now. I would like to see him back in the White House in some capacity. He's a very able stateman and his experience would be an asset for Obama.

Here's something from CNN. It has the reaction of the crowd during the night of Nov 4 when Obama was forecast the winner of the election. There are shots from Grant Park, Paris, France, Norman, OK and quite a few others. Check it out.

http://countdowntovictory.blogspot.com/

I'm not sure what to think of HRC as Secretary of State. I'm not too keen on that idea, nor the other popular CW choice of John Kerry. My preference would be for someone like Hagel or even Powell. But I don't think Colin Powell is on anyone's radar right now. I would like to see him back in the White House in some capacity. He's a very able stateman and his experience would be an asset for Obama.

I'm with you on both Clinton and Kerry. She's better off staying in the Senate. Maybe Bill Richardson or as you say Hagel. I don't know if he's still doing it but Colin Powell was at one point raising money for under privileged children's education. I recall a concert on HBO from Janet Jackson's Velvet Rope tour and a tie in with his work. Maybe he would be interested in something that broadens that base. Kerry might be better for Attorney General.

I'm with you on both Clinton and Kerry. She's better off staying in the Senate. Maybe Bill Richardson or as you say Hagel. I don't know if he's still doing it but Colin Powell was at one point raising money for under privileged children's education. I recall a concert on HBO from Janet Jackson's Velvet Rope tour and a tie in with his work. Maybe he would be interested in something that broadens that base. Kerry might be better for Attorney General.

I like Bill Richardson and think he'd be great as Sec of State. Don't know why he slipped my mind. IMO, Kerry should stay where he's at in the Senate as well.

OT, but I fuckin love Janet. Seen her in concert for RN1814 and Velvet Rope and OMG. She's awesome.

And this y'all, is my 1000th post. I was hoping that it would be in this thread, where I've met some of the best people on SON.

I like Bill Richardson and think he'd be great as Sec of State. Don't know why he slipped my mind. IMO, Kerry should stay where he's at in the Senate as well.

OT, but I fuckin love Janet. Seen her in concert for RN1814 and Velvet Rope and OMG. She's awesome.

And this y'all, is my 1000th post. I was hoping that it would be in this thread, where I've met some of the best people on SON.

I'm way over that and didn't notice until you mentioned it. The song I like best on The Velvet Rope is #22 Special.

This is off topic too but I laughed at this even though it is pretty tragic....just the idea that people actually thought to take advantage of this loophole and travel out of state to do so:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/11/14/nebraska....aven/index.html