Members Greg's GL Posted September 22, 2008 Members Share Posted September 22, 2008 Ummmm. Yes, it is an investigation tool used by police to gather evidence. I assume the article is correct because I've seen it posted on several different news sites. And lastly, you may want to apologize or something about your last posts on this topic. Just sayin.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members George008 Posted September 22, 2008 Members Share Posted September 22, 2008 Sure I apologize...wholeheartedly. I really didn't know that rape victims had to pay for the police investigation anywhere in this country...That is news to me... With the recent events in my home town, I was under the impression that rape victims have compensated medical treatment, because the investigation and treatment are intertwined. I did not know that they had to pay for the actual investigation tools...That's crazy! I believe that the article is correct. I was just questioning the fact that the rape kit is solely used for investigation purposes and that victims are required to pay for the investigation side. That doesn't seem right at all...If it is...I am totally against that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Wales2004 Posted September 22, 2008 Members Share Posted September 22, 2008 And my point is that I do not see why you can't be happy that she did that without having to put down Obama for drawing a crowd. It's like this little game of her crowd is better because they came to hear the issues and his didn't because there was music. First of all, what difference does it make if the end result is that "X" number of people heard him speak about issues? Did the maybe concert goers all get up and file out after the music ended since they got what they came for? I think if I were moved to go and listen to a political speech and there was music I liked it would be a bonus....I wouldn't go to a political speech just for a concert. Let's just forget that it was a historical event for one political party and that people may have wanted to join in the celebration. I haven't seen any one on here trying to negate the post that said how many people showed up to hear Palin or trying to minimize her event in any way.....and I'm sure if they wanted to, they could. Again, you show this degree of contempt for the Democrats to the point where you can resist the urge to take a jab yet again at the setting for Obama's speech. There's bitter fruit and then there's really bitter fruit. As for your position on CEOs....I agree with you somewhat. I do think that the hiring boards of their perspective companies should be free to pay them what they choose and include whatever incentives they want. That said, the problem arises when line workers get cheated out of their pension plans because a CEO ran the company into the ground.....yet he/she gets to walk away with millions. I wish people were honest and would not hurt the workers who generally are the heart and soul of their companies. The taxpayers should not have to come and bail companies out because they were managed by greedy people....but it happens. Taxpayers need to be protected and the government should come up with some sort of plan that forces companies to protect their employees from despicable CEOs and if that means legislation that restricts what a CEO can walk away with after wrecking a company....so be it. On the issue of charging victims for rape exams--no victim should have to pay. If police departments are being overrun by false claims, I don't get why the person filing the false reprt should not be made to pay a fine for lying in the first place and to reimburse the department for the cost of the medical exam. It seems to me that having laws to that effect would be more of a deterrent than making a victim pay because all that does is deter legitimate victims from filing reports. First the person is victimized by the rapist then the humiliation of an exam for which she has to pay herself. There is no rationale for that period. I may be stumped on this because I'm trying to see how saying some Democrats see sending the country another trillion dollars in debt to achieve political gain measures up against some Republicans hoping to gain politically from racist Democrats. I can kind of see how a Democrat might we've been dealt this hand.....let's try to fix it and in the process let's take advantage of the fact that it furthers our case. I can even see some Republicans rationalizing that they didn't create the racist Democrat and if racists Democrats vote for our candidate then so be it....but if they actually reach out and try to appeal to any racists in order to win.....I think it's way too lenient to say it's not right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Roman Posted September 22, 2008 Members Share Posted September 22, 2008 http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/st...2629&page=1 McCain Gaffes Could Undercut Message on Economy, Foreign Affairs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Wales2004 Posted September 22, 2008 Members Share Posted September 22, 2008 And my question is....is there anything at all regarding human dignity, need, or the like that makes you forget about your resistance to government spending and just say that those things are more important than the money? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Jess Posted September 22, 2008 Members Share Posted September 22, 2008 A rape kit is an investigative tool. It is not medical treatment. I guess if a poor woman in Alaska can not afford the cost of the emergency room and the investigation, her rape is not a crime. Wales, I'm not understanding what you are arguing, although I probably agree with you. However, no rock stars are playing at Obama/Biden events. The people show up for the candidates. It's not like a McCain event where Robert Duval introduces the candidates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Wales2004 Posted September 22, 2008 Members Share Posted September 22, 2008 I don't know if this will help but I was responding to one of Casey's posts that essentially applauded Palin for attracting a crowd of 60,000 who Casey said was there to hear the Republican stance, while taking a jab at Obama's acceptance speech because music was provided. Casey basically stated that the Republicans were there to hear the issues while the Democrats may have been there for the music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members George008 Posted September 22, 2008 Members Share Posted September 22, 2008 I did not intend to make a big deal about Palin's crowd until you posted a comment mocking my enjoyment. You said I was swaying from the issues and it almost made you laugh. I feel that I should be able to jab Obama at any chance I see fit. Again, Wales, please do not try to point out my personal approach to commenting as if it is at your discrestion as to what I can or can't do. I do not attempt to pick apart the manner in which you comment, only the points and opinions that you convey. I try to leave personal habits out of the conversation. My point was that both parties take and accept any positive advantage that comes their way...it matters not if it is good or bad for the country as a whole... Market decaying...good for Democrats in this election...bad for the country... Racism in this election...good for Republicans...bad for the country.. Hope this clears up my intended message... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members GoldenDogs Posted September 22, 2008 Members Share Posted September 22, 2008 Jess, I think it is a mistake on many levels for John McCain to reach out to Democrats for cabinet positions just so he can appear to be independent and non-partisan. I'm glad you agree that Andrew Cuomo would be bad for the McCain administration... we agree on that. He did a lousy job before and he'd do a lousy job then... he is, in many ways, represents atypical liberal fiscal policies. I would condemn McCain's choice to select him for any position. I wouldn't go so far as to say that McCain's judgement is impaired, however. Like all politicians, he states things for political purposes -- to impress Democrats who he thinks may be on the fence about Obama. To suggest McCain's judgement is poor based on this is silly... it would also suggest that President Clinton had poor judgement and I would disagree with that. Policywise, I would say that Clinton's selection of Cuomo was a mistake (obviously) but isn't representative of every decision the man ever made while in office. I think the VP choice of Sarah Palin was an excellent choice. She has invigorated the McCain ticket and rallied the party. Let me be clear about this... should McCain lose the election, he will have only himself to blame. Sarah Palin has nothing to do with the mistakes McCain has made the past week... John McCain and John McCain alone is responsible for the plethora of negative ads put forth by his campaign and any gaffes while attempting to communicate his policy to the public. Sarah Palin hasn't said or done anything worse than any other candidate running... For every perceived silly thing you might take issue with, I can offer two more ridiculous things Joe Biden has said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members George008 Posted September 22, 2008 Members Share Posted September 22, 2008 I think you may have skipped over a few of my posts. I was not aware that a rape kit was used solely for a law enforcement investigation. I thought it was a medical treatment. I have apologized and confirmed my stance against rape victims having to pay for the investigation of the crime commited against them.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Wales2004 Posted September 22, 2008 Members Share Posted September 22, 2008 IA with you on abstinence and I am not a fan of abortion, although I don't see a point to having the law reversed on it. What do you think should be done about unwanted pregnancies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Roman Posted September 22, 2008 Members Share Posted September 22, 2008 This is what I find offensive: We all can pay for Wall Street's and the Congress horrible management of the financial institutions......but it's wrong to pay for health care for many Amercians and rape kits for rape victims. Really? Do I have it right now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members GoldenDogs Posted September 22, 2008 Members Share Posted September 22, 2008 Family values, Wales! At least he is there for his kids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members George008 Posted September 22, 2008 Members Share Posted September 22, 2008 We'll just have to disagree about Roe v Wade... Adoption... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Roman Posted September 22, 2008 Members Share Posted September 22, 2008 Sounds like to me what may have been said was the Democrats were there for everything else BUT hearing what Obama had to say. You see, he's such a rock star that you can't take him seriously. But you CAN take McCain seriously.....especially since "The fundementals of our economy are strong". You volunteering? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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